Divorce marriage and communion

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I am wondering if someone can clarify something for me, I am a Roman Catholic and met my husband 19 years ago. He is not Catholic and was married in a protestant church prior to us meeting. I was not party to his marriage break down and it was his wife who left on a holiday with his daughter but refused to return thereafter which eventually led to a divorce. After many years of soul searching I proceeded into marriage with him through a civil ceremony. We now have a son who we have brought up as Roman Catholic. I have always made the assumption that I am no longer able to take communion, however, someone recently queried the validity of our marriage in the eyes of the church as our marriage was a civil ceremony (because we couldn’t marry in our church). I am so confused and would love to be able to enjoy all parts of Roman Catholic life again but don’t know if this is possible, how it would be viewed etc. Your assistance in providing me with some clarity would be much appreciated.

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Good Afternoon

I am wondering if someone can clarify something for me, I am a Roman Catholic and met my husband 19 years ago. He is not Catholic and was married in a protestant church prior to us meeting. I was not party to his marriage break down and it was his wife who left on a holiday with his daughter but refused to return thereafter which eventually led to a divorce. After many years of soul searching I proceeded into marriage with him through a civil ceremony. We now have a son who we have brought up as Roman Catholic. I have always made the assumption that I am no longer able to take communion, however, someone recently queried the validity of our marriage in the eyes of the church as our marriage was a civil ceremony (because we couldn’t marry in our church). I am so confused and would love to be able to enjoy all parts of Roman Catholic life again but don’t know if this is possible, how it would be viewed etc. Your assistance in providing me with some clarity would be much appreciated.

Kind regards
I would suspect that your husbands first marriage was and is valid - but I would seek counsel from your local parish on that…

Likewise as Catholics we are supposed to go through marriage prep in the Church and get married within the Church - of course there are exceptions to this - I would also encourage you to sit down with your pastor to discuss your unique situation.

Although it is in my opinion that you may not be in a valid marriage - I believe there is way and a course of action that you can take to make sure that you are once again in full communion with the Church and can receive the Eucharist once again.
 
Good Afternoon

I am wondering if someone can clarify something for me, I am a Roman Catholic and met my husband 19 years ago. He is not Catholic and was married in a protestant church prior to us meeting. I was not party to his marriage break down and it was his wife who left on a holiday with his daughter but refused to return thereafter which eventually led to a divorce. After many years of soul searching I proceeded into marriage with him through a civil ceremony. We now have a son who we have brought up as Roman Catholic. I have always made the assumption that I am no longer able to take communion, however, someone recently queried the validity of our marriage in the eyes of the church as our marriage was a civil ceremony (because we couldn’t marry in our church). I am so confused and would love to be able to enjoy all parts of Roman Catholic life again but don’t know if this is possible, how it would be viewed etc. Your assistance in providing me with some clarity would be much appreciated.

Kind regards
The best thing you could do would be to sit down with your priest and go through the issues.

Your husband’s marriage would need to be investigated by a Tribunal to see if it was valid. If they find that it wasn’t a valid marriage, he would be free to marry you. You would then convalidate your marriage (people often call this “having the marriage blessed” but in reality it is getting married in the Catholic Church). Then you would be in a valid marriage and would be able to receive the sacraments.

Make an appointment with your pastor and get things started.
 
At least you are seeking answers…I am dealing with this with my son and his wife, she is Lutheran and anti-catholic. They have been working on her annulment for almost 2 yrs, as she was married before(we only found out a few days before the wedding and I did not attend the ceremony).
You will need to get an annulment from the Catholic church before your marriage is recognized by the church, right now you are committing adultery. Legally you are married but not in the eyes of the Catholic church as you have not received the Sacrament of Marriage. Given your husbands’ history he may not have a problem getting an annulment, but it does take time. Until than you cannot receive the Eucharist as you are not living in the state of grace.

This may sound harsh and I don’t mean for it to be but the church does have conditions and rules that need to be recognized and respected. Of course you can always shop around and find a priest who may be willing to make up his own rules and teachings.

Hope this helps, I cannot tell you the frustration we have gone through with my son and his “wife”. She is very difficult and it breaks my heart that they have not deal with this properly. I am NOT asking that she become a Catholic, but that she abide by the church’s teachings so my son can return to the Sacrament of the Eucharist. BTW, she also proimised to have the children raised Catholic and than had the baby baptized in the Lutheran church, go figure!! I didn’t attend that ceremony either.

I do pray everyday for them.
 
Hello bnj003,

Wow, you are really up to date on this subject. Maybe you can help me? My wife and I were nonpracticing Catholics when we got married in a Protestant Church. (20 years ago) My wife had never been married, and I was widowed while still in communion with the Catholic Church. My wife is the one who will never go back, but I still attend Mass with my arms crossed on my chest. Some people say that all I need to do is a give simple confession. What are your thoughts on my situation?

Richard
 
20 yrs ago…long time. I think I get your question. Is your marriage recognized in the Catholic church? Well,you have not recevied the Sacrement of Marriage, but to be clear, do ask a priest.
Secondly why won’t your wife go back to the church? Her position sounds quite strong.
What ever happened that would make her deny herself the Sacrament of the Eucharist?

And thirdly why do you stand in the Catholic church with your arms crossed, some would intrepreted that to mean by your body language that you do not believe? Is that the case? Are you in the “state of grace”,meaning free from all sins, both venial and mortal? And yes, if you haven’t been to confession in a long time you need to take advantage of that Sacrament.
Bottom line is, noone on the face of the earth is worth giving up your soul for. Only you can desire to go to heaven, if that is important to you than, yes, go to confession. But being married to a non-catholic is not a sin, unless of course if they cause you to sin, than you are not living in the “state of grace” and cannot go to the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

It can get complicated…One area where I think most Catholics suffer is not knowing the true meaning of the mass, they have done it for so long it begins to be a problem for them, the mass is always the same, always, and the only thing important is the presence of the body and blood of Christ. To turn away from that is not dealing with what is really bothering you about the church.
Hope this helps.
 
20 yrs ago…long time. I think I get your question. Is your marriage recognized in the Catholic church? Well,you have not recevied the Sacrement of Marriage, but to be clear, do ask a priest.
Secondly why won’t your wife go back to the church? Her position sounds quite strong.
What ever happened that would make her deny herself the Sacrament of the Eucharist?

And thirdly why do you stand in the Catholic church with your arms crossed, some would intrepreted that to mean by your body language that you do not believe? Is that the case? Are you in the “state of grace”,meaning free from all sins, both venial and mortal? And yes, if you haven’t been to confession in a long time you need to take advantage of that Sacrament.
Bottom line is, noone on the face of the earth is worth giving up your soul for. Only you can desire to go to heaven, if that is important to you than, yes, go to confession. But being married to a non-catholic is not a sin, unless of course if they cause you to sin, than you are not living in the “state of grace” and cannot go to the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

It can get complicated…One area where I think most Catholics suffer is not knowing the true meaning of the mass, they have done it for so long it begins to be a problem for them, the mass is always the same, always, and the only thing important is the presence of the body and blood of Christ. To turn away from that is not dealing with what is really bothering you about the church.
Hope this helps.
My wife and son are a done-deal. They are Protestants! What happened was: We were married in the Philippines, and she was a member of a church that was a mission under the church that I belonged to here in the States. For some reason, the Catholic High School that my wife attended in her home town hired a Protestant as a High School teacher. Well, he converted my wife while she was a teenager, moved her over to his church, and then sent my wife to Bible School in Manila. As a result of me marring her and bringing her to the States, she now teaches at a private Christian (K-12) School. My son went all the way through that school from preschool to High School graduation, and my wife has worked there for all of those years.

Well, to answer thirdly, there are millions of Catholics out in the Protestant churches because of who they are married to. Many because of abortion, so there is plenty of discussion going on. I was told that we rejected Catholics were to cross our arms across our chest when we go up for communion. In my case, it’s a little awkward because I have to pull my arms out from under the table cloth while kneeling up at the rail during the Latin Mass. The priest makes the sign of the cross on my forehead, and continues on to the person kneeling next to me on the left.

I talked to a Priest many years ago, and he became aggravated and told me that I was not to have the Eucharist. He also mentioned something about my son not being baptized. I returned by telling him that he didn’t have the right to refuse giving Jesus to the people. I haven’t talked to a priest since. Anyway, I learned a lot about the Bible during my swim with the Protestants.

Richard
 
Hello bnj003,

Wow, you are really up to date on this subject. Maybe you can help me? My wife and I were nonpracticing Catholics when we got married in a Protestant Church. (20 years ago) My wife had never been married, and I was widowed while still in communion with the Catholic Church. My wife is the one who will never go back, but I still attend Mass with my arms crossed on my chest. Some people say that all I need to do is a give simple confession. What are your thoughts on my situation?

Richard
If you are Catholic you need to be married according to Catholic marriage law. It sounds like you weren’t. (Unless you got a dispensation to be married in a Protestant church and that seems unlikely if you weren’t practicing at the time.)

Talk to your pastor about having your marriage convalidated (“blessed”). That will make it valid in the Catholic Church and you will be able to return to the sacraments of Reconciliation and Communion.

So no, a simple confession alone won’t do it. You need to bring your marriage into the Church.

Talk with your pastor.
 
My wife and son are a done-deal. They are Protestants! What happened was: We were married in the Philippines, and she was a member of a church that was a mission under the church that I belonged to here in the States. For some reason, the Catholic High School that my wife attended in her home town hired a Protestant as a High School teacher. Well, he converted my wife while she was a teenager, moved her over to his church, and then sent my wife to Bible School in Manila. As a result of me marring her and bringing her to the States, she now teaches at a private Christian (K-12) School. My son went all the way through that school from preschool to High School graduation, and my wife has worked there for all of those years.

Well, to answer thirdly, there are millions of Catholics out in the Protestant churches because of who they are married to. Many because of abortion, so there is plenty of discussion going on. I was told that we rejected Catholics were to cross our arms across our chest when we go up for communion. In my case, it’s a little awkward because I have to pull my arms out from under the table cloth while kneeling up at the rail during the Latin Mass. The priest makes the sign of the cross on my forehead, and continues on to the person kneeling next to me on the left.

I talked to a Priest many years ago, and he became aggravated and told me that I was not to have the Eucharist. He also mentioned something about my son not being baptized. I returned by telling him that he didn’t have the right to refuse giving Jesus to the people. I haven’t talked to a priest since. Anyway, I learned a lot about the Bible during my swim with the Protestants.

Richard
Slow down here…love the Philippines, my son went to school there and almost married a great girl there, Wish he had!!! I’m sure your wife feels a certain sense of obligation to this person who supported her in her endeavors. If she has no problem with things the way they are you can except that. Doesn’t necessary mean she will be a protestant for the rest of her life. It justs suits her now.
And yes, there are also lots of Catholic members who are in the catholic church because of their spouse, so we agree that it works both ways.
You mentioned abortion, Catholics don’t support abortion, so you are saying those who do would rather be in the protestant churches. Than I say great, that is where they should be. I am not one to support those who cannot live up to the teachings of the church, like a club has certain rules in order to be a member, so does the Catholic church, we have rules, teachings and guidelines as to how a person should live their lives, if you disagree, fine, leave the church and go elsewhere. We will always welcome you back if you change your mind later.
Why did the priest have a problem with you having the Eucharist if you were in the “state of grace” and living your life according to the teachings of the church?
And what does your son’s baptism have to do with you? The church regconizes those who may be baptized in another faith, once you are baptized that is it, you can not be baptismed twice, no matter what church you are baptized in.

I have never heard of a “rejected” catholic, rejected by who? And for what? And who told you you had to cross your arms.? I 'm clearly in the dark about this one. Do you mean if you are just going up for a blessing and not the Eucharist, ok, I get that, so the priest knows not to give you the Eucharist. Is that what you mean?
So far you are married to a non-catholic, but living your life as a catholic and you are saying you cannot take communion? What am I missing?
Yes, and as a Catholic you have learned a lot about the Bible as well, every Sunday they read from the OT, the Paslms, the NT and the Gospel. So as Catholics we are exposed at every mass to the readings taken from the Bible. One can almost become a Biblical Scholar by just attending mass daily and every Sunday. And if you really want to enjoy the Bible your parish should be publishing every week in the Bulletin a scripture reading for every day of the week, so that is helpful as well.
Its a joy and a privilege to be a practicing Catholic.
 
If you are Catholic you need to be married according to Catholic marriage law. It sounds like you weren’t. (Unless you got a dispensation to be married in a Protestant church and that seems unlikely if you weren’t practicing at the time.)

Talk to your pastor about having your marriage convalidated (“blessed”). That will make it valid in the Catholic Church and you will be able to return to the sacraments of Reconciliation and Communion.

So no, a simple confession alone won’t do it. You need to bring your marriage into the Church.

Talk with your pastor.
Thanks a million SuscipeMeDomine,

That is the answer I was looking for, “dispensation”. Now, what I need is a retroactive dispensation from the Padre in my wife’s home town. We were married in her home town, so I should have my Catholic mother-in-law take care of it over there in the Philippines. Every time I have talked to the Padre he is all smiles, and I can see a hint of dollar signs in his eyes.

The other option you mentioned, like dragging my Protestant wife into church for a Catholic Ritual could probably put our 20 year marriage on the road to divorce. By the way, a divorce in the Philippines is usually so violent between the two families that it turns into a feud. A wise Filipino Padre would probably be justified to avoid that route, and issue me a retroactive dispensation? Especially, knowing of the possible economic advantage for? What do you think? Do you see any snags with the Bishop over there, or the Bishop in this Diocese? If all goes well, when I return from the Philippines I should simply be in communion with the Catholic Church, Period.

Richard
 
That is the answer I was looking for, “dispensation”. Now, what I need is a retroactive dispensation from the Padre in my wife’s home town. We were married in her home town, so I should have my Catholic mother-in-law take care of it over there in the Philippines. Every time I have talked to the Padre he is all smiles, and I can see a hint of dollar signs in his eyes.
I’ve never heard of a retroactive dispensation.

Talk to your pastor here. If a convalidation isn’t possible then you want to ask about a radical sanation. See this article for more information.
 
Thanks a million SuscipeMeDomine,

That is the answer I was looking for, “dispensation”. Now, what I need is a retroactive dispensation from the Padre in my wife’s home town. We were married in her home town, so I should have my Catholic mother-in-law take care of it over there in the Philippines. Every time I have talked to the Padre he is all smiles, and I can see a hint of dollar signs in his eyes.

The other option you mentioned, like dragging my Protestant wife into church for a Catholic Ritual could probably put our 20 year marriage on the road to divorce. By the way, a divorce in the Philippines is usually so violent between the two families that it turns into a feud. A wise Filipino Padre would probably be justified to avoid that route, and issue me a retroactive dispensation? Especially, knowing of the possible economic advantage for? What do you think? Do you see any snags with the Bishop over there, or the Bishop in this Diocese? If all goes well, when I return from the Philippines I should simply be in communion with the Catholic Church, Period.

Richard
You won’t be able to get a retroactive dispenation – you would have needed that before you got married in the Protestant church. If your wife is unwilling to participate in a convalidation, talk to your pastor about a radical sanation and ask if that is a possibility for you. Good luck!
 
Your wife loves you and wants you to be happy, right? Then, I cannot imagine she would divorce you for your desire to have your marriage recognized by the Church. Sit down with your local Priest and begin the process. You just may see her baptismal grace renewed and that she will follow you back HOME!
 
Your wife loves you and wants you to be happy, right? Then, I cannot imagine she would divorce you for your desire to have your marriage recognized by the Church. Sit down with your local Priest and begin the process. You just may see her baptismal grace renewed and that she will follow you back HOME!
Hello Kage,

Well, my wife is young enough to be my daughter, and then some. The way I look at it, the only way an old geezer like myself can hold on to a beautiful young wife is through the complete understanding of woman. Changing the terms under which we were married leans more towards betrayal than towards the comparability that kept us together for the past 20 years. Sure, I have built up some equality, but I am using up that equality tonight when I go to High Mass for The Solemnity of the Most sacred Heart of Jesus. She is going along with it, but she is thinking that I will only listen to the choir sing Gregorian Chants.

SuscipeMeDomine posted a good link for getting a “radical sanation”, that way my wife wont have to participate, or know that I am back in Communion. Thanks, SuscipeMedomine.

I was widowed after being married for 15 years to my first wife, and now have been married for 20 years to the second wife that the Lord gave me. Never have been divorced or separated, but in between wives I got to hear a few divorced women’s point of view. I can tell you this much, I would rather be widowed than divorced. I can’t think of anything that would be worse than a rotten marriage. I had a Protestant minister tell me once, “Before you put your foot down, make sure that you have a place to sleep tonight”. 😃

Richard
 
Hi guys,

I just returned from a High Mass in Latin. (The Solemnity of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus)

So now, while it’s still fresh in my mind, let me explain (for the benefit of all) exactly what happened when I got in line for a Confession:

After kneeling, I said, “Forgive me Father, for I have sinned” Then I went on to introduce myself, and told the priest, “I am not a member in good standing because of not being married in the Catholic church, but I have a few sins to Confess” The Priest quickly responded, “I can not absolve your sins, and you can not have the Eucharist if you weren’t married in the Catholic Church”

We then we had a heated discussion that was face to face, and still inside the booth.

Anyway, there you have it. I don’t want to discourage anyone from getting into line for a Confession, because there is always a chance that your sins will be transferred onto the shoulders of the Priest who refused. (That is my own theology 😃 )

Richard
 
The Priest quickly responded, “I can not absolve your sins, and you can not have the Eucharist if you weren’t married in the Catholic Church”

We then we had a heated discussion that was face to face, and still inside the booth.
I’m sorry this happened. As I said in message #8,
Talk to your pastor about having your marriage convalidated (“blessed”). That will make it valid in the Catholic Church and you will be able to return to the sacraments of Reconciliation and Communion.
You need to take these things in order. First talk to your priest and get your marriage situation straightened out. Then you’ll be able to go to confession and then you’ll be able to receive the Eucharist.

In order to receive absolution, you need to have the intention that you will not commit the sin again. As long as you’re going back to live with your wife that intention isn’t there. I fully understand why you’re not going to go get a separate apartment but the other side of it is that there’s a problem with your living situation.

Please see your pastor as soon as possible and get things started.
 
Hi guys,

I just returned from a High Mass in Latin. (The Solemnity of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus)

So now, while it’s still fresh in my mind, let me explain (for the benefit of all) exactly what happened when I got in line for a Confession:

After kneeling, I said, “Forgive me Father, for I have sinned” Then I went on to introduce myself, and told the priest, “I am not a member in good standing because of not being married in the Catholic church, but I have a few sins to Confess” The Priest quickly responded, “I can not absolve your sins, and you can not have the Eucharist if you weren’t married in the Catholic Church”

We then we had a heated discussion that was face to face, and still inside the booth.

Anyway, there you have it. I don’t want to discourage anyone from getting into line for a Confession, because there is always a chance that your sins will be transferred onto the shoulders of the Priest who refused. (That is my own theology 😃 )

Richard
Ok, Richard, sounds like you want to be back in the Catholic church or at least to have the Sacrament of the Eucharist. Can we agree on that?
While you think you may be doing everything right, there is the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony that you have rejected, the priest is only trying to help you do things properly.
Get the radical sanation and go from there.
It is nice that you seem to be happily married, but for you something seems to be lacking. The church is there for you and wants you to be receptive to what they have to offer. As soon as you make that decision, than the problems are solved.
Quit all the shortcuts and bite the bullet and do what in your heart you know is right and the only thing to do, at least for now.
Get it over with and enjoy the rest of your life. You might be surprised to find your wife may change her mind when things are resolved and she sees you less frustrated.
BTW, the priest doesn’t take upon himself other’s sins,(last time I heard that was when someone die on a cross) only his own. Just like you can only confess your sins and not your wife’s or anybody else’s.
Keep us posted.
 
Ok, Richard, sounds like you want to be back in the Catholic church or at least to have the Sacrament of the Eucharist. Can we agree on that?
While you think you may be doing everything right, there is the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony that you have rejected, the priest is only trying to help you do things properly.
Get the radical sanation and go from there.
Hello bnj003,

Thanks for the kind words. I can understand why two practicing Catholics who turned down the Sacrament of a Christian Marriage should be excommunicate, but both my wife and I were non-practicing Catholics who were already baptized (a second time) into a Protestant Denomination. It seems to me that the Catholics didn’t have jurisdiction over how we got married, and now they should accept it as they would any other Protestant Marriage. What do you think?

Richard
 
Hello bnj003,

Thanks for the kind words. I can understand why two practicing Catholics who turned down the Sacrament of a Christian Marriage should be excommunicate, but both my wife and I were non-practicing Catholics who were already baptized (a second time) into a Protestant Denomination. It seems to me that the Catholics didn’t have jurisdiction over how we got married, and now they should accept it as they would any other Protestant Marriage. What do you think?

Richard
Did you give the priest all this information? You didn’t mention before than neither of you were Catholic at the time. Were either of you raised in the Catholic church before your marriage? If not, this may be a rather simple fix, you might just need to have your marriage blessed or confirmed by the Church. As you say, the Church assumes NO power over how members of other faiths are married.

Edited to add: I’m sorry, I just re-read and noticed you were both non-practicing Catholics. In that case, unless you received permission to be married outside the Church, you were both still required to marry under the Catholic sacrament. The problem is that you may not have been practicing, but unless one formally leaves the Church, he remains Catholic even thought he stops going to Mass.

This can be resolved, possibly much more quickly and easily than you might assume. Just speak with a priest outside of the confessional. It will work out. God bless you both.
 
Did you give the priest all this information? You didn’t mention before than neither of you were Catholic at the time. Were either of you raised in the Catholic church before your marriage? If not, this may be a rather simple fix, you might just need to have your marriage blessed or confirmed by the Church. As you say, the Church assumes NO power over how members of other faiths are married.

Edited to add: I’m sorry, I just re-read and noticed you were both non-practicing Catholics. In that case, unless you received permission to be married outside the Church, you were both still required to marry under the Catholic sacrament. The problem is that you may not have been practicing, but unless one formally leaves the Church, he remains Catholic even thought he stops going to Mass.

This can be resolved, possibly much more quickly and easily than you might assume. Just speak with a priest outside of the confessional. It will work out. God bless you both.
Hello cecilia07,

Thank you, the way you explain it, at least our marriage is not, “Living in Sin”, like I have been told by some here on the forum.

Richard
 
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