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VeritasLuxMea
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Should we reinstate a system of slavery then?
Or are you saying “it’s OK as long as it exists” but you don’t have the will to create one?
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Or are you saying “it’s OK as long as it exists” but you don’t have the will to create one?
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Presurmksdimnds
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His comment did not imply that to me.
IMHO, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Perhaps.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person.** If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.**
There are other ways to get your point across. Martin Luther King did much more by way of peace than Nat Turner ever did by violence.
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Jacqueline1966
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Yes, but he was proactive; he marched. He stood up or he fought for what he believed in and he did it in a peaceful, non-violent way. He did not take racism lying down.
This, I believe, is the message of Django Unchained, just getting back to the forum topic.
But permit me to digress again:
Here are examples of what it means to “turn the other cheek” from Father Robert Barron’s Catholicism series:
Desmond Tutu was walking on a narrow sidewalk and a Caucasian Dude was coming from the opposite direction. The sidewalk could only accommodate 1 person at a time.
Anyway, the Caucasian Dude refused to make room for Tutu, saying something to the effect of, “I don’t make room for animals.”
Tutu stepped aside to allow the guy to pass, saying, “Well, I do.”
Another example from the same series:
Mother Theresa brought a dying child to a grocery store and begged the grocer for some food for the child. The Grocer spat on her face and MT wiped her face and said,
“Thanks for that lovely gift, now how about something for the child?”
If someone kills your child, you wouldn’t just say, “Kill me too” or “Here’s my other child! Kill him too!” No, you would forgive the murderer, but fight to see justice done.
That’s turning the other cheek.
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SGTTOM
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I don’t think fighting for what is right is a bad thing. Sometimes it takes violence to change things. I am not talking about the film in this case as I haven’t seen it.
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Jacqueline1966
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VeritasLuxMea,
Me thinks QNDNNDQCE is trying to be an agent provocateur. He’s just “stirring the pot” to get a rise out of people. I doubt he believes what he is writing.
There is usually at least one in every forum.
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Presurmksdimnds
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But Django didn’t do it in a peaceful way
I agree. All very creative and peaceful ways to ‘turn the other cheek’ and get your point across.
… in a peaceful manner, which was not what Nat Turner or ‘Django’ did. In neither or your examples from Fr. Barron did the person turn in violence on their aggressor.
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Presurmksdimnds
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I’m not hating on Django or Nat Turner. Not everyone can be a Martin Luther King or Mother Teresa - so please let’s not try to elevate them to their status.
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QNDNNDQDCE
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Did I say that we should re-institute slavery? I only answered your question “should he have taken his slavery in stride?” with the words of St. Paul, which is Sacred Scripture. And what St. Paul said was “be obedient to those who are your masters,” which is different advice from “kill all the white people.” If he is going to disregard the plain message of the New Testament, he ought to have a good defense, one which is apparently lacking in the savagery and the bitter failure of his attempt.
For those who would like an account of Nat Turner’s revolt, read Stephen Oate’s “Children of Darkness.” It really is an interesting story of American History.
americanheritage.com/content/children-darkness
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Jacqueline1966
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Amen, Amen!
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Seamus_L
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On more than one occasion I’ve had people tell me that I’m overly sensitive or simply seeing things that aren’t there, when I suggested that Django Unchained was yet another minorities take revenge on evil whites (a re-occuring theme in Tarantino’s movies) movie. Well it comes as no surprise that Quentin Tarantino’s next possible project “Killer Crow” is to be about, you guessed it, Black GI’s murdering evil White officers and soldiers in Normandy in 1944.
From a recent interview with The Root
Quentin Tarantino: I don’t know exactly when I’m going to do it, but there’s something about this that would suggest a trilogy. My original idea for Inglourious Basterds way back when was that this [would be] a huge story that included the [smaller] story that you saw in the film, but also followed a bunch of black troops, and they had been f–ked over by the American military and kind of go apes–t. They basically – the way Lt. Aldo Raines (Brad Pitt) and the Basterds are having an “Apache resistance” – [the] black troops go on an Apache warpath and kill a bunch of white soldiers and white officers on a military base and are just making a warpath to Switzerland. theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-1-django-trilogy
From a recent interview with The Root
Quentin Tarantino: I don’t know exactly when I’m going to do it, but there’s something about this that would suggest a trilogy. My original idea for Inglourious Basterds way back when was that this [would be] a huge story that included the [smaller] story that you saw in the film, but also followed a bunch of black troops, and they had been f–ked over by the American military and kind of go apes–t. They basically – the way Lt. Aldo Raines (Brad Pitt) and the Basterds are having an “Apache resistance” – [the] black troops go on an Apache warpath and kill a bunch of white soldiers and white officers on a military base and are just making a warpath to Switzerland. theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-1-django-trilogy
Bottomline, Tarantino's movies are pure garbage.
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Geist
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Hollywood in a nutshell. I wont watch anti-white media…needless to say we haven’t had cable in years and rarely see movies in theaters.
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SurlyMermaid
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Saw it with my father-in-law. We absolutely loved it. We agreed one of the best westerns made. Very thoughtful film we talked about for hours later and I thought about for days later.
A couple of scenes just made me cry. This was, in my opinion, Tarantino’s best.
I got absolutely zero “Caucasian hate” or anything like that from the movie. I thought it was an honest look at the time. Being from the American South, it really made me think. I had a couple of epiphanies about our history and culture watching this film.
A couple of scenes just made me cry. This was, in my opinion, Tarantino’s best.
I got absolutely zero “Caucasian hate” or anything like that from the movie. I thought it was an honest look at the time. Being from the American South, it really made me think. I had a couple of epiphanies about our history and culture watching this film.
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OneDayASaint
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After watching many of Tarantino’s films I started to notice that they seemed to have come from the mind of someone who was influenced by the 60’s and 70’s sexploitation and blaxploitation films. I still haven’t seen Django Unchained so I don’t know if it’s hate propaganda or not but the story itself isn’t anti-white in that the template could be used for multiple racial and economical situations that have been repeated throughout history. A man saving a woman he loves from the tyranny of another man. It just happens to be a black slave and a white slave owner in this particular situation. And based on the fact that it came from Tarantino I would say that his point of view is coming from a camp aesthetic. So for the most part I think anyone regardless of race walking away from the movie feeling it was an attack or a call for an attack on white people is simply showing a reflection of their own racial sensitivities.
I won’t disagree with disliking hatred of white races stemming from the American slave trade in the past because hatred in general is ignorant. It also shows historical ignorance. Slave traders were primarily Portuguese, Dutch, or English. “White” people in the United States includes Russians, Irish, Scottish, French, and most western countries for the most part. Even northern Italians and Spaniards would be considered white by appearance though I think they may be classified as Mediterranean (I could be wrong). There’s so many “white” races that did not deal in slavery. Africans sold tribal prisoners of war to slavers as well. Not to mention that during the American Civil War of the 1860s it’s estimated that over 600,000 Yankees died - most of which were most likely “white” - fighting on the anti-slavery side. I don’t really think the war was actually about abolishing slavery though that was a part of it, but that’s a different discussion.
So yeah, hating white people for something that happened well over a century ago is really stupid and offensive.
We all need to get over it and worry about the countless women and children that are bought and sold in modern global human trafficking.
I went off a little bit on that. But this topic tends to do that to me.
I won’t disagree with disliking hatred of white races stemming from the American slave trade in the past because hatred in general is ignorant. It also shows historical ignorance. Slave traders were primarily Portuguese, Dutch, or English. “White” people in the United States includes Russians, Irish, Scottish, French, and most western countries for the most part. Even northern Italians and Spaniards would be considered white by appearance though I think they may be classified as Mediterranean (I could be wrong). There’s so many “white” races that did not deal in slavery. Africans sold tribal prisoners of war to slavers as well. Not to mention that during the American Civil War of the 1860s it’s estimated that over 600,000 Yankees died - most of which were most likely “white” - fighting on the anti-slavery side. I don’t really think the war was actually about abolishing slavery though that was a part of it, but that’s a different discussion.
So yeah, hating white people for something that happened well over a century ago is really stupid and offensive.
We all need to get over it and worry about the countless women and children that are bought and sold in modern global human trafficking.
I went off a little bit on that. But this topic tends to do that to me.
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Luvz2travel
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Well I saw it on it’s first week out. I found it boring and lacking in original dialog. It was basically a 2.5 hour video game. Too much violence nothing new. It was a really good idea just way over done. I can say this having seen the directors other movies and loving he ones like “Kill Bill” but that had some originality to it. The was just a bland take off and Clint Eastwood. Sorry Django…Clint Eastwood you are not. If you are big into video games and just want to be an observer then by all means spend the $10 to see it but I would advise waiting for the DVD.
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thomasf
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I really enjoyed DJango. I thought it was a pretty honest depiction of what slavery was actually like. Was it brutal? Yep. But slavery was brutal. Slaves were treated as property, beaten, killed, forced to kill others, split up from their loved ones, treated like cattle, etc etc etc. The movie presented that pretty clearly and honestly. More provoking even than the depiction of slavery was the role DJango had to play and be part of the slavery mechanism and play against his beliefs. I thought the whole thing was very thought provoking.
My wife did not like it because she didn’t think they should have showed it, no matter if it was a true depiction or not. IMO it wasn’t gratutious, or done to inflame anyone. I think it was just there and honest.
What bothered me more than the swearing or the violence was the idea of DJango getting retribution and revenge for his treatment and his wife’s treatment. I don’t like those movies that glorify revenge. IMO revenge isn’t a christian action.
My wife did not like it because she didn’t think they should have showed it, no matter if it was a true depiction or not. IMO it wasn’t gratutious, or done to inflame anyone. I think it was just there and honest.
What bothered me more than the swearing or the violence was the idea of DJango getting retribution and revenge for his treatment and his wife’s treatment. I don’t like those movies that glorify revenge. IMO revenge isn’t a christian action.
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Luvz2travel
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It was gratutious violence. With mass shotting everywhere these day these kind of movies just encourage more. I see it everywhere today.
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