To be fair, are the habits worn by members of various religious orders silly to you?
Excellent point that can’t be argued.To be fair, are the habits worn by members of various religious orders silly to you?
The temple garments worn by Mormons who have been thru the temple and made certain covenants are to remind them of those very covenants.
How is that specifically different from members of religious communities who wear habits, which also are to be reminders of the the vows they have made???
abirdrrl brought this to discussion by saying he had conclusive proof that it did not happen, for the purposes of discussion that moves the onus to him to show that conclusive proof, rather than someone who simply says they believe it happened.
Thanks for your comments and I would agree with you. The purpose of the flood, however, was a “baptism” of sorts, the cleansing of the earth due to the evil that existed. I don’t think that required that every inch of land be covered by water. But I do believe there was a flood and an Ark. We are told that God made the sun stand still for three days. My point is that God can do anything He wishes whether we find it palusible or not. But this is way off topic and so I’ll end my comments there.
But when one combines the complete lack of evidence for the existence of the civilizations mentioned in the Book of Mormon with the DNA evidence I think we can begin to get a picture of the truthfulness of the story.
This is how they do it:
I’m just saying that our scientific technology proves something…but I wouldn’t condem an entire faith system over it.
In my opinion the Book of Mormon was proven false before the DNA evidence even surfaced. The DNA evidence only cemented the obvious. The Book of Mormon is nothing more than a fraud based on the incorrect belief that Native Americans were descended from the 12 tribes of Israel, a popular theory in the early 19th century. Oliver Cowdrey, Joseph Smith’s “scribe”, would have been well acquainted with Ethan Smith’s “View of the Hebrews” which reflected the popular view at the time. Ethan Smith was the minister at the church Oliver Cowdrey’s family attended. There are many former Mormons who were influenced by the DNA evidence including this former Bishop:
Agreed. I would not condemn this faith based upon scientific evidence alone. As part of the mountain of evidence against this religion being true, however, including, but not limited to historic and scriptural evidence, it doesn’t help their cause. The degree of probability surrounding DNA evidence is in the high 90th percentile.
A “complete” lack of evidence is hardly descriptive of the BoM civilizations. Native Americans did build cities, and so forth, so there is some evidence at least.
Yes, agreed. However, in the years previous to 1830, there were plenty of books available about pre 1492 civilization in the Americas. I posted on the flood thread, downloadable links of one two-volume work which has many parallels with the BoM. It was first available in the US well before the BoM was written, and was very popular.
They can’t find any reliable evidence to support it so they are reduced to saying you can’t prove that it’s not true. They ignore the evidence that shows the probability of it being true is next to zero.
There are both DNA evidences and archeological evidences that the origins of ancient civilizations who lived in North, Central and South America did not have merely one source of ancestry, and had complex civilizations–(who’d of thought?!)
There IS compelling evidence that there was a massive flood near the area of the Tigris and Euphrates thousands of years ago, along with surrounding areas.There is also conclusive evidence that there was no worldwide flood, but people are still searching Mt Ararat for an ark
Faith blinds people from truth.
Again, why don’t you consider a Flood that dealt with the middle east and some of europe only?
Or even when Catholics wear scapulars.To be fair, are the habits worn by members of various religious orders silly to you?
The temple garments worn by Mormons who have been thru the temple and made certain covenants are to remind them of those very covenants.
How is that specifically different from members of religious communities who wear habits, which also are to be reminders of the the vows they have made???
