DNC Features Nun (Who Provides Cover for Biden’s Support for Unlimited Abortion) And Father Martin who states abortion is not the only issue

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There were two Catholics religious featured, Sister Campbell and Father Martin.
In 2016, Campbell would go on to say, “From my perspective, I don’t think it’s a good policy to outlaw abortion.”

Campbell runs a political lobbying firm that receives donations from organizations linked to pro-choice advocacy, according to Catholic News Agency .
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Andrea Mitchell asks, “Is is a problem for Catholics, Biden’s does stance on a women’s choice.” Father Martin’s response is, It is but not the only issue.

Father Martin prays with Iman and Rabbi at DNC.

 
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I’m not going to click these news links, but I will say I read relevant reportage at CNA (Catholic News Agency), and I’ll at least applaud Fr. James Martin on this count:

He’s apparently the only one at the DNC event who mentioned “the unborn” as vulnerable people with rights that must be protected.

Whereas the nun CNA interviewed refused to take any position on legal abortion and said that’s above her “pay grade”, and that’s she’s part of an org more interested in pushing for political change on economic issues.

So no cheers for that nun, from me… but a firm cheer for Fr. Martin.

Credit where credit is due, it sounds like he made a public prayer likely to draw criticism from all sides (he prayed for LGBT people to be free from bullying, as well as for the unborn and other vulnerable groups, and I imagine some may try to draw unjust conclusions about what he ‘really’ meant there)… but unjust criticism, since his prayer (from what I read) can stand by itself and was good.
 
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MNathaniel said:
I’m not going to click these news links, but I will say I read relevant reportage at CNA (Catholic News Agency), and I’ll at least applaud Fr. James Martin on this count:

He’s apparently the only one at the DNC event who mentioned “the unborn” as vulnerable people with rights that must be protected.

Whereas the nun CNA interviewed refused to take any position on legal abortion and said that’s above her “pay grade”, and that’s she’s part of an org more interested in pushing for political change on economic issues.

So no cheers for that nun, from me… but a firm cheer for Fr. Martin.

Credit where credit is due, it sounds like he made a public prayer likely to draw criticism from all sides… but unjust criticism, since his prayer (from what I read) was good.
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Was that after he told Andrea Mitchell who is Jewish and the news world that abortion is not the only issue to be considered.
 
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gam197 said:
Was that after he told Andrea Mitchell who is Jewish that abortion is not the only issue to be considered.
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Shrug.

Like I said, I’m not going to click those news links (so maybe I should leave this thread now, since I guess those links will be what folks want to discuss)…

But I think it’s right both to critique when critique is warranted, and also praise when praise is warranted. So I’m just putting it out there that in front of a VERY hostile crowd, Fr. Martin did specifically pray for the unborn.
 
MNathaniel said:
Like I said, I’m not going to click those news links (so maybe I should leave this thread now, since I guess those links will be what folks want to discuss)…
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It was a three minute question period by Andrea Mitchell done on NBC news for all of America to see on church policy. Might want to watch.

He will be doing a prayer with an Iman and a Rabbi.
 
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I’ll give Fr. Martin some credit. Not a lot, but some. No one expected him to pull a Mother Theresa here, but at least he said more than nothing.

Sr. Campbell . . . has a disgraceful record . . . though as a Catholic.
 
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Their respective prayers seem very Catholic to me.

Sr. Campbell’s prayer:

"I’m Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of NETWORK and leader of Nuns on the Bus.

Tonight marks an important next chapter in our story of who we will become as a nation. So I speak to you with a sense of urgency and hope, knowing the difficult work ahead, grounded in my faith.

The very first paragraph of the Scripture that informs the three Abrahamic traditions tells us: The Divine Spirit breathed over the waters of chaos and brought forth a new creation. Encouraged by this promise that a new creation can come from chaos, let us pray:

O Divine Spirit!

During the weeks and months ahead, stir our hearts and minds that we might fight for a vision that is worthy of you and your call to honor the dignity of all of your creation.

A vision of who we are as a people, grounded in community and care for all, especially the most marginalized.

A vision that cares for our earth and heals the planet.

A vision that ends structural racism, bigotry and sexism so rife now in our nation and in our history.

A vision that ensures hungry people are fed, children are nourished, immigrants are welcomed.

O Spirit, breathe in us and our leaders a new resolve…that committed to this new American promise, we will work together to build a national community grounded in healing, fearlessly based on truth, and living out of a sense of shared responsibility.

In the name of all that is holy, O Spirit, bring out of this time of global and national chaos a new creation, a new community that can, with your help, realize this new promise that we affirm tonight.

With profound hope, let we the people say: Amen!"

Fr. Martin’s prayer:

"Loving God,

Open our hearts to those most in need:

The unemployed parent worried about feeding his or her children.

The woman who is underpaid, harassed or abused.

The Black man or woman who fear for their lives.

The immigrant at the border, longing for safety.

The homeless person looking for a meal.

The LGBT teen who is bullied.

The unborn child in the womb.

The inmate on death row.

Help us to be a nation where

every life is sacred,

all people are loved,

and all are welcome.

Amen."
 
If these people are allowed on the DNC, then Father Pavone should be allowed on the RNC Convention to have a prayer and last I heard was that he was not allowed to speak on political issues.

“I’ve been requested by the competent ecclesiastical authority not to have an official title/position on the advisory boards. So, as a priest in good standing, I’ve followed that request,” Pavone told CNA July 24, in response to questions about his role in the Trump campaign.
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I do not have a problem that he is not on any advisory committee but will he be allowed to say a prayer if asked by RNC?
 
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There is a big difference:

Sr. Campbell and Fr. Martin offered prayers. They did not play a policy role, or lend overt support to a platform or candidate (yes, I know, you can interpret their presence as support, but at least one of their prayers directly challenged the candidate and platform they would ostensibly be supporting).

There would be no problem if Fr. Pavone offered a similar prayer, assuming he is a priest in good standing. As far as I know, he continues to dodge questions about the Diocese in which he is incardinated - making it impossible to determine whether or not he is a priest in good standing.
 
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There is a big difference:

Sr. Campbell and Fr. Martin offered prayers. They did not play a policy role, or lend overt support to a platform or candidate (yes, I know, you can interpret their presence as support, but at least one of their prayers directly challenged the candidate and platform they would ostensibly be supporting).

There would be no problem if Fr. Pavone offered a similar prayer, assuming he is a priest in good standing. As far as I know, he continues to dodge questions about the Diocese in which he is incardinated - making it impossible to determine whether or not he is a priest in good standing.
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Father Pavone is a priest in good standing. Will he be allowed to say a prayer on the RNC platform?

Abby Johnson will speak. Well there will be a priest and it will be Cardinal Dolan.
 
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gam197 said:
Father Pavone is a priest in good standing.
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Can you verify this? I spent some time a few weeks trying to verify it, and I couldn’t. Last time I checked (a few weeks ago) he was still refusing to say his Diocese, making it impossible to verify his status.
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Will he be allowed to say a prayer on the RNC platform?
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Of course, if they want him too, and he’s a priest in good standing.
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Abby Johnson will speak but no priests or nuns have been announced.
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I thought Cardinal Dolan would be saying a prayer?

 
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I thought Cardinal Dolan would be saying a prayer?

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On further research before you posted I did see that Cardinal Dolan would do the prayer and I corrected my post…

I feel much better now that Cardinal Dolan will be doing a prayer.

Did a search but saw nothing under “Sisters of the Poor” but you never know.
 
Cardinal Dolan…
“That is why I have accepted an invitation to pray at the Republican National Convention,” the statement continued. “My agreeing to pray does not constitute an endorsement of any candidate, party, or platform. Had I been invited to offer a prayer for the Democratic National Convention, I would have happily accepted, just as I did in 2012.”
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MNathaniel:
I’ll at least applaud Fr. James Martin on this count:
He’s apparently the only one at the DNC event who mentioned “the unborn” as vulnerable people with rights that must be protected.
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Hallelujah!
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Again, was that after he told the world that abortion was not the only issue to consider when voting and after he calls Trumps remarks reprehensible.


So I guess it is fine at times for a priest to take a political position. He said Trumps remarks were reprehensible.
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Hey, any time a Dem says anything not supporting abortion (and not the wimpy, “I’m personally against it, But…”), I’m gonna cheer.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
Hey, any time a Dem says anything not supporting abortion (and not the wimpy, “I’m personally against it, But…”), I’m gonna cheer.
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He put one short line in a prayer fine but he did three minutes and told the world abortion was not important or only issue.
 
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Well, it’s not the only issue. At least not for those of us who are not single-issue voters, which I’ve never been.
Did he say it was “not important”?

Edited to add, I just sat through all 3+ minutes of that and he did not say abortion was “not important” .
He said neither party fully embraced Catholic teaching, that Democrat party wasn’t good on abortion and that Republican party wasn’t good on immigration, and that Catholics need to vote their conscience.
All of which is true.
 
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