Do all Christians go to Heaven?

[InJesusChrist]

There will Judgment day for whole the world. But who have the name of Christ in their heart and they have had been accepted their lives. They will save. No doubt all Christian get heaven.

I think many evangelicals say a Christian is one who has made a sincere act of faith or commitment to Christ – and an indicator of that sincerity can be judged by a person’s actions throughout the rest of his life. I think most Catholics would say that a Christian is anyone who has been validly baptized, but he can fall from grace and suffer damnation.

Do all Christians go to Heaven? Is that part of the definition of Christian? Is it exclusive (that is all Christians and only Christians go to heaven, or can non-Christians still somehow be saved)?

 

[Damascus]

I’ll check in the Koran.

Its not looking good for us guys.

our brains are gonna boil and our feet in a lake of hellfire.

All that go to Heaven somehow get there through Christ. Period.

 

[thistle]

All Christians have the fullness of truth. If one does not have the fullness of truth, he is not a Christian

To be confident of getting to Heaven, you must be a Christian. The Bible states that salvation is assured to those that put their faith in Jesus Christ. It does not mention a religion anywhere. This is the same mistake the Jews had when salvation was given to the Gentiles.

A Catholic or Protestant that is unrepentant is not a Christian and will not get be saved.

First I want to say there are only two kinds of Christians, those who are and those who are not. Non-Christians will never get to heaven and Christians will.

Sorry to sound like a broken a record, but Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ. This is clear from the Scriptures. No where does the Scriptures state that salvation is through any religious denomination. According to Romans 2, no one lives in complete ignorance of God.

If you are a Faith Alone believer then you are unfortunately sadly mistaken. No where in scripture does it say we are saved by faith alone. The only place in scripture where the words “faith alone” appear is in James 2:24 “A man is justified by works and not by faith alone.”

 

[santaro75]

many christians will be in heaven, many will not. But one thing i know for sure who does and who doesn’t has nothing to do with which club you belong to. it has everything to do with Christ.

 

[Will_Pick]

Yes, all Christians go to Heaven and all Non-Christians will be judged and condemned to the lake of fire. The saddest part of all are the ones that are mislead and think they are doing the right thing, but will be turned away.

NO ,All Christians do not go to heaven,some people like to play god and tell us who is going to heaven and who is not .

 

[simbagizmo]

If you are a Faith Alone believer then you are unfortunately sadly mistaken. No where in scripture does it say we are saved by faith alone. The only place in scripture where the words “faith alone” appear is in James 2:24 “A man is justified by works and not by faith alone.”

This is not accurate.

Luk 7:50 And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes

Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

Rom 3:27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law

Rom 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
Rom 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Rom 4:9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;
Rom 9:31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
Rom 9:32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Did you suffer so many things in vain–if indeed it was in vain?
Gal 3:5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
Gal 3:6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Gal 3:7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”
Gal 3:9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Gal 3:11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
Gal 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

I could go on, but I am at the limit for the post. I am continuing this on the next post, because I am out of space here. Please bear with me.

 

[simbagizmo]

This is a continuance from my previous post. I listed some of the verses stating through faith we are saved. Now I want to take a look at the Works side.

Joh 6:27 “Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”
Joh 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

Joh 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

1Ti 2:9 Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,
1Ti 2:10 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

1Ti 6:18 Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,

2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Jam 2:14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
Jam 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jam 2:18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

Jam 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
Jam 2:22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
Jam 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God.
Jam 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jam 2:25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Jam 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

I hope I did both sides of faith and works justice here and was fair. If not, it was not intentional. The statement made was that if I was a Faith Alone believer, I am sadly mistaken. Looking at the scripture, I am a Faith Alone believer. But true Faith will produce good works. Jesus states that you will know a believer by their fruits. A person with true saving faith will do good works, not to earn salvation or out of obligation. But because his faith drives him to do good works. I think this is clear in scripture. It mentions “dead works” also. Dead works is works done without Faith. Meaning, a person that does works out of to achieve salvation. Dead Faith is like Dead works. A person says he has faith and may believe who Jesus is, but does not have true faith to produce good works. Like Jesus, the works that a person with true Faith does is God’s works and not his own. The person would show the mercy and love of God and give him the glory. If a person says the work he does is his own, and is done to achieve salvation, I would question his Faith. Jesus told us to do the works of God to achieve enternal life. When the Jews asked what work that is, Jesus replied it was to believe in Him God sent. To me, through scripture, it is belief and Faith in Jesus that is my salvation. And through the belief and Faith, God uses me to produce good fruit, works, for his glory. Sorry this is so long.

 

[M_Oliver]

Do all Christians go to Heaven? Is that part of the definition of Christian? Is it exclusive (that is all Christians and only Christians go to heaven, or can non-Christians still somehow be saved)?

People have many opinions. God has truths…

If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Corinthians 3:15)

The person will be saved. It is their work {if false} that get’s destroyed. Therefore all men {and woman} will be saved in one Eon {Age} or another.

for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; (1 Timothy 2:3-4)

ALL men. Every human being who has ever lived is included in “ALL MEN”.

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)

For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. (1 Timothy 4:10)

There’s 4 witnesses milimac. God Bless.

 

[simbagizmo]

many christians will be in heaven, many will not. But one thing i know for sure who does and who doesn’t has nothing to do with which club you belong to. it has everything to do with Christ.

Maybe we mean different things when we use the word Christian, but the Bible is pretty clear on the way to salvation through belief and faith in Jesus Christ. I do agree it has nothing to do with the club a person belongs to. And I also agree it has everything to do with Christ.

But the Gospel message is clear about the path to Salvation. What kind of Good News would it be if Jesus’s death did not assure the true believers of salvation?

This is a curiosity question here. No debate or ill intentions. But if the Church you attend does not teach assurance in salvation, why do you follow it? This is pure curiosity and not an attack in any way.

 

[simbagizmo]

NO ,All Christians do not go to heaven,some people like to play god and tell us who is going to heaven and who is not .

I would like to ask you the same question I asked santaro75. And again, this is not for a debate topic or any attack from my part. Just plain curiosity. If the church you attend does not give you assurance of salvation, that Jesus died for all your sins, past, present, and future, so that you would be saved by belief and Faith in him, why do you follow the church? Again, this is not an attack, just for curiosity.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

I think many evangelicals say a Christian is one who has made a sincere act of faith or commitment to Christ – and an indicator of that sincerity can be judged by a person’s actions throughout the rest of his life. I think most Catholics would say that a Christian is anyone who has been validly baptized, but he can fall from grace and suffer damnation.

Do all Christians go to Heaven? Is that part of the definition of Christian? Is it exclusive (that is all Christians and only Christians go to heaven, or can non-Christians still somehow be saved)?

Not everyone who says to him, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of his Father who is in heaven. Many will say to him on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then he will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

"Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

"Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

"The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

"Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

"They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

"He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

I don’t think all Christians go to heaven. But I do think that many of them do.

 

[milimac]

What kind of Good News would it be if Jesus’s death did not assure the true believers of salvation?

First off, I don’t think people would agree that Jesus’s death does not assure us of salvation.

Perhaps this analogy might help:
You’re stranded at sea being tossed about in the waves and the Coast Guard comes by and throws you a lifeline. In your joy as you catch that lifeline and hold on as you are being towed to the boat, you can confidently say you have been saved, you are being saved, and you will be saved. It truly is good news. Yet the Coast Guard is not going to force you to hang onto that lifeline as it reels you in (you’re not yet on the boat ~ in Heaven). You have the freedom at anytime to tell them “No, I think I can swim to shore on my own”. At no point is our free will taken away.

I think a Protestant view may be that all you have to do is catch the lifeline and once caught it’s not possible to let go. A Catholic view would be that you have to catch the lifeline and persevere by holding on until you’re on the boat.

Christ is indeed our sure salvation, but our acceptance of it is not a sure thing.

Just some latenight ramblings. What do you think?

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

First off, I don’t think people would agree that Jesus’s death does not assure us of salvation.

Perhaps this analogy might help:
You’re stranded at sea being tossed about in the waves and the Coast Guard comes by and throws you a lifeline. In your joy as you catch that lifeline and hold on as you are being towed to the boat, you can confidently say you have been saved, you are being saved, and you will be saved. It truly is good news. Yet the Coast Guard is not going to force you to hang onto that lifeline as it reels you in (you’re not yet on the boat ~ in Heaven). You have the freedom at anytime to tell them “No, I think I can swim to shore on my own”. At no point is our free will taken away.

I think a Protestant view may be that all you have to do is catch the lifeline and once caught it’s not possible to let go. A Catholic view would be that you have to catch the lifeline and persevere by holding on until you’re on the boat.

Christ is indeed our sure salvation, but our acceptance of it is not a sure thing.

Just some latenight ramblings. What do you think?

Pretty good for latenight ramblings.

 

[simbagizmo]

First off, I don’t think people would agree that Jesus’s death does not assure us of salvation.

Perhaps this analogy might help:
You’re stranded at sea being tossed about in the waves and the Coast Guard comes by and throws you a lifeline. In your joy as you catch that lifeline and hold on as you are being towed to the boat, you can confidently say you have been saved, you are being saved, and you will be saved. It truly is good news. Yet the Coast Guard is not going to force you to hang onto that lifeline as it reels you in (you’re not yet on the boat ~ in Heaven). You have the freedom at anytime to tell them “No, I think I can swim to shore on my own”. At no point is our free will taken away.

I think a Protestant view may be that all you have to do is catch the lifeline and once caught it’s not possible to let go. A Catholic view would be that you have to catch the lifeline and persevere by holding on until you’re on the boat.

Christ is indeed our sure salvation, but our acceptance of it is not a sure thing.

Just some latenight ramblings. What do you think?

I like your analogy, but let me expound upon it. The Coast Guard throws me the lifeline. I receive the lifelife, but how do I receive the lifelife is the focal point.

If I take the lifeline and tie around myself in such a knot that I will not be able to untie it. I am no longer in control for my salvation, and my salvation is assured. My faith in the Coast Guard and the lifeline will save me.

If I take the lifeline and just hold on to it, not tieing myself in it, then you are correct, because my salvation is now dependant on my own ability to save me. I will be saved as long as I hold onto the lifeline. The problem with this is that the waves are such and the distance to shore is such that no one will be able to hold onto the lifeline all the way to home.

When the Scriptures talk about faith and belief in Jesus as the way to salvation, it is tieing the lifeline around you. Putting Jesus in total control and giving yourself no way of letting go. Your salvation is then assured, and good works will flow through you because the work you will do will be God’s and not your own.

Those who do not tie the lifeline, only hold on to it, never had true Faith. For their salvation is still in their own hands by trying to become “good enough” by works to achieve salvation. These “dead works” will not bring salvation because they are fruits of true Faith.

This, by the way, is the parable of the Sower and the seed in Mark 4. Are we still close in our thoughts?

 

[Sam88]

Anyone who believes that such persons as Abraham and David are in heaven (which I assume includes almost everyone on this forum), must conclude that there are some non-Christians in heaven. While the Church is the surest help to getting to heaven, even one counterexample is enough to disprove this as an absolute requirement, unless you want to argue that Moses was a Christian.

 

[simbagizmo]

Anyone who believes that such persons as Abraham and David are in heaven (which I assume includes almost everyone on this forum), must conclude that there are some non-Christians in heaven. While the Church is the surest help to getting to heaven, even one counterexample is enough to disprove this as an absolute requirement, unless you want to argue that Moses was a Christian.

Yes I do believe that Abraham and David are in heaven, but why would you say that did not believe in the Savior? As for Moses being a Christian, I give you Jesus Christ as witness that he was.

Luk 24:44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Joh 5:45 "Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.
Joh 5:46 "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
Joh 5:47 “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

The entire Gospel of Jesus Christ is about assured salvation in the belief in Him. I cannot possibly quote each verse and parable here for support, please read what Jesus says. When Jesus Christ says,

Joh 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

This is about a straight forward verse I can find. If you are saying there are people who believe in Jesus Christ and is not assured salvation, I would say this makes Jesus’s statement a lie, because Jesus does not say “may have”, or “will have”, but says “already has”. I am sorry to be so blunt. The thief on the cross did nothing but believe, and was saved. We could talk about saving faith and dead faith, and the distinctions on this with salvation. But saying that a Christian, one with saving faith, is not assured of salvation, really makes Jesus’s death and resurrection pretty meaningless. Given this statement, and if this is the teaching of the RCC, I assume that you are taught the it is unknown if Peter, Paul, or any of the apostles ever made it to heaven. This leads to a question though, if it is the RCC believe that no one is assured of heaven and no ones know if anyone ever made it, what determines the sainting of people withing the RCC? Is the RCC declaring someone a saint that may not even be in heaven? How does this work? Also, if the RCC teaches that salvation is through the RCC, is this assured? Please help me understand this. As always, I am not being militant about this or argumentative. Just curious to hear this side.

Maybe the disconnect here is the definition of Christian. A Christian is someone that is “Christ-like”, that acts on and follows the teachings of Christ. One that no longer does his own will, but earnestly seeks only to do God’s will. As Jesus himself puts it,

Joh 7:38 “He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”

This is a Christian by definition. This may only qualify a minority of people that actually attend a church I will agree. There are many who call themselves Christians but are not. I believe this is the majority by what Jesus states.

Mat 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Mat 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Could you please reference passages that support your stance that true Christians, one that has received the free gift of salvation, are not assured salvation? I would seriously be interested in this.

 

[Zooey]

OK, I’ve been around here for a while, & I think we have 2 different conversations going on here.
One is OSAS, & we could discuss that all night…
But the thing I want to address, is that there is a problem with language here, & that part of the thread, IMHO, needs a little help from Your Friendly Neighborhood Methodist.
The word “Christian” is being used one way by Catholic posters, & another by non-Catholic posters…
To many Protestants,( not just OSAS people, either), a Christian is someone who is what most Catholics refer to as “a Christian in the state of grace”.
To those same non-Catholics, saying someone who was baptized as a child, but who may now profess no faith in anything, is a complete confusion of terms…An evangelical Christian means by the word Christian, specifically someone who has a deep commitment to Christ.
This same difference in the use of words, by the way, can create no small amount of scandal when applied to, let us say, (to avoid Hitler for once), the early Russian Communists, most of whom were baptized Christians, but were clearly not Christian at all, by any standard of Christian belief or practice…Stalin had once, I believe, considered the Russian Orthodox priesthood. (I could be wrong, but I’ve heard that).

Anyhow, let’s define our terms a bit, can we, ? In the interests of mutual understanding??
God bless all here.

 

[inJESUS]

Jesus said He has sheep in different barns.

 

[Sixtus]

I am shre the Lord soes not discriminate. I am sure they do.

Pax Christi

 

[Sixtus]

Sorry, spelling mistakes.

I am sure the Lord does not discriminate. I am sure they do.

Pax Christi