Do All Dogs Go To Heaven? New Books Seem To Think So

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FaithJoy said:
That, sir is taken completely out of context. People in Jesus’ day used “dogs” as nonbelievers.
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Tis why I said ‘its not talking about hounds’

Just like Phil 3:2 “Beware of dogs…”
is not talking about hounds ie hound-dogs (canines) but man-dogs…

So there will be no man-dogs in heaven,
but hound-dogs maybe (?) on the new earth 🤷
 
The clearest explanation of man and animals and what separates the two, by Frank Sheed, probably the best Catholic apologist of the 20th century:

"Every living body - plant, animal, man - has a principle of life, that is, it has a constituent which accounts for its being alive. This is its soul. We are aware of its presence in the activities of the being while it is alive; we are even more aware of its absence in the corruption which follows death. The souls, the life-principles, of plants and animals produce no vital activities which rise above matter: they are marvelous enough, they animate the body; in plants they make possible movements and growth and reproduction, in animals some faint likeness of knowledge, some faint beginning of social life, as well. But the soul of man not only anbimates the body, it ha powers of its own, powers utterly outside the possibilites of matter. The union of spirit and matter [which is what God gave man when he created him - read the “breath of life” verse in in Genesis] means that the human soul, by which our bodies are living bodies and function as living bodies, is what no other soul is, a spirit.

“There, then, stands man. His soul, because it IS a soul, animates his body, as the soul of a lower animal animates its; but because man’s soul is a spirit, it has the faculties of intellect and will by which it knows and loves as the animal’s cannot.”

The basic principle of animals not having a soul that permits it to be judge or enter heaven is so basic, I had to look at a one of the “lower level” books used to teach theology. The above quote comes from “Theology for Beginners”, by Frank J. Sheed.

Keep on debating if you wish, but I am finished (as I am certain some people are very happy), but it makes no sense to debate a person who tries to put an animal on the same level as a man, in ANY way shape or form. That is a sin. Even the new Catechism specifically teaches against doing this.
 
Salvatore123 said:
The clearest explanation of man and animals and what separates the two, by Frank Sheed, probably the best Catholic apologist of the 20th century:

"Every living body - plant, animal, man - has a principle of life, that is, it has a constituent which accounts for its being alive. This is its soul. We are aware of its presence in the activities of the being while it is alive; we are even more aware of its absence in the corruption which follows death. The souls, the life-principles, of plants and animals produce no vital activities which rise above matter: they are marvelous enough, they animate the body; in plants they make possible movements and growth and reproduction, in animals some faint likeness of knowledge, some faint beginning of social life, as well. But the soul of man not only anbimates the body, it ha powers of its own, powers utterly outside the possibilites of matter. The union of spirit and matter [which is what God gave man when he created him - read the “breath of life” verse in in Genesis] means that the human soul, by which our bodies are living bodies and function as living bodies, is what no other soul is, a spirit.

“There, then, stands man. His soul, because it IS a soul, animates his body, as the soul of a lower animal animates its; but because man’s soul is a spirit, it has the faculties of intellect and will by which it knows and loves as the animal’s cannot.”

The basic principle of animals not having a soul that permits it to be judge or enter heaven is so basic, I had to look at a one of the “lower level” books used to teach theology. The above quote comes from “Theology for Beginners”, by Frank J. Sheed.

Keep on debating if you wish, but I am finished (as I am certain some people are very happy), but it makes no sense to debate a person who tries to put an animal on the same level as a man, in ANY way shape or form. That is a sin. Even the new Catechism specifically teaches against doing this.
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That is NOT the definition of nephesh,it does not involve plants. Definition is : soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

Read more: bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H5315/nephesh.htm#ixzz0uhC4R7A7

This involves emotion and passion,this excludes plants in the bible. Soul/nephesh actually means creature/man with emotion and passion. “Theology for Beginners” says a creature “has a soul”,not true. THE CREATURE is THE SOUL. The creature has a spirit. Like I said earlier, Body + Spirit = soul. A plant is a living body, no spirit , no soul,no emotion or passion.
 
FJ,

I said I would quit debating the “dogs to heaven” thesis, but I felt I must respond to your post.

I don’t care what the Jews meant when they used the word “nephesh”.

And I don’t mean to be rude, but to claim that man’s body and soul are the same thing is in complete contradiction of Catholic teaching.

If you can cite, other than a condordance compiled by a protestant, where Catholic dogma teaches that a man’s body and soul are the same, then I will gladly eat “humble pie” on this thread.

You can search as long as you wish - you will never find such a teaching.
 
I guess I would only say is that I never said man and animal are equal or the same. Man chose to defy God,animals did not have that free will to do so. It doesn’t mean animals don’t have a spirit. I guess the question is…do animals have the ability to love? Some do,some don’t. The wild beast only has instinct. Most domesticated animals have more than instinct. Most animal lovers would say that their pet can love them,because they show it. In other words, it is not an act of instinct,rather it is an emotion. Does God create a creature that has love to die, in other words,does God create a spirit that has love for death?

Solomon,known for his wisdom questioned this :21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal ** goes down into the earth?" Ecclesiastes 3:21. I interpret this question to be not that he didn’t know, but he knew the difference between wild animals and “some” domesticated ones (some animals don’t have the ability even though they are domesticated). Some are just too dumb obviously (pet birds, brain damaged pets).**
 
FJ,

You said: “I guess I would only say is that I never said man and animal are equal or the same.”

I never said you did.

My only objection to anything you posted was when you said that a man’s body and soul are the same thing. I simply disagreed and said that a living’s being soul is what animates that being, and is separate from that being.

If one’s body and soul were the SAME, then the death of the body would, by your definition, would also mean the death of the soul.

And I think we both know and believe that cannot happen.

Just look at the plethora of prayers the Catholic church has where we pray for the “SOULS of the faithful department” and that God grant mercy to those souls. I have never praid for a person’s body once they were dead.

As I pointed out earlier, there comes a point where neither side (not you or me - I meant the thesis of the OP of this thread) will give ground. And because the Catholic Church has not definitively declared “animals do not go to heaven”, then no one can definitively say that they do not. One can make good arguments (and I hope I have made a decent defense) in favor of one position or the other, but in the end, we either wait on the Church, or we die. At that point, we will certainly find out.

In sum (and my last time), I just don’t like the idea of putting animals on the same level as a human, where one has free will and is judged by how he uses that will, and the other has none and thus, cannot be judged on something it does not have.

I don’t see pet pot-belly pigs, taratulas, and guppies enjoying the beatific vision, along with mens’ souls. I just don’t . . .
 
distracted said:
i busted out laughing reading this… 😃

cuz for one thing, i never thought about animals going to Hell… that’s a funny concept…

but hey… this is a great argument against animals going to Heaven… cuz if they go There, they’d have to (some anyhow) also go to Hell, right??

Anyhow… i agree w/ your inference that this guy (the wirter) is a lib who thinks most people end up in Heaven… everyone except maybe ( then again, there’s always that MAYBE… can’t be judgmental… :rolleyes:) Hitler and Stalin, i reckon…

that’s not what Jesus said… He said tht there are “few who find” the way to etenral life…

(St Mt 7:13, 21… etc)

but what the heck, that was just Jesus…

What do others have to say on the subject?:rolleyes:
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seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you - how can anyone know what heaven is like or where it is - Anyone heard or read about the hound of heaven by Francis Thompson -twinc
 
twinc said:
seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you - how can anyone know what heaven is like or where it is - Anyone heard or read about the hound of heaven by Francis Thompson -twinc
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most people probably end up in Hell cuz they ignore all that hounding…

i don’t know…

all i know is that dogs don’t go to Heaven cuz if they did… i wouldn’t want to go There… 😃
 
I hear today that in Canada a dog called Trapper received communion in an Anglican/Episcopalian Church. If as is claimed by some that all dogs will go to heaven is it not appropriate that they participate in communion here on earth?
 
NoelFitz said:
I hear today that in Canada a dog called Trapper received communion in an Anglican/Episcopalian Church. If as is claimed by some that all dogs will go to heaven is it not appropriate that they participate in communion here on earth?
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that’s AWFUL… giving Communion to a mere animal…

geeze… we shouldn’t even be giving it to some Cahtolics… (so-called Catholics, that is)

ever notic how so many go to Communion but no one goes to Confession???

sorry but I’m having a hard time belieiving all those commincants are without sin…
 
I am not mean to animals, but . . .

if I am at the altar rail (I go to an approved Latin Mass) or in line (at a Novus Ordo Mass) and heard “Polly want’s communion”,

this world is going to have one less parrot.
 
Jesus died for man because we sinned. Why do I even have to say that? Why would animals need to attend a mass or receive the Lords body and blood? Who ever said that? God never gave animals a choice to sin. Animals are sinless.This life isn’t a cartoon,like Mickey mouse. A mouse showing human qualities.
 
Then I saw the heavens opened, and there was a white horse; its rider was (called) “Faithful and True.” Revelations 19:11

I know that God has horses in His heaven.

Go with Love, Go with God
 
distracted said:
most people probably end up in Hell cuz they ignore all that hounding…

i don’t know…

all i know is that dogs don’t go to Heaven cuz if they did… i wouldn’t want to go There… 😃
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If dogs are in heaven, I bet the don’t poop, or if they do, it doesn’t smell.
 
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