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Do all protestant denominations believe that salvation can't be lost?
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As others have stated, “Calvinists” tend to teach the “eternal security of the believer”…“Arminians” believe that yes, salvation can be lost.
What is NOT understood is that while Calvinists teach the security of the believer, they are not antinomianists (sp) If a person who claims to be “saved” lives in sin…they are not “saved” because if they were, they wouldn’t live in sin.
Arminians while do beleive salvation can be lost if one sins willfully knowing they are going against the will of God…it is not the case that one is “saved” one minute and “un-saved” the next multiple times a day…but that a Christian who sins “grieves the Holy Spirit” and salvation can be lost if one continues down that path.
Only extreme fundamentalists of the Arminian variety believe 'one unconfessed sin can keep you out of heaven". God does not just save us “a little bit”…He saves us completely thru the work and merit of Jesus alone…and His work is complete. “There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”. “If we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with God…” Sin breaks that fellowship and when the “connection…fellowship” is broken, the Holy Spirit “convicts” one of sin and calls us back to fellowship with Him.
Some Calvinists hold that God has determined whom will be saved and whom will be lost. If one is “God’s Elect”…you will be saved NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO or how you live.
Other Calvinists believe that if a Christian begins living in sin again…God will take them Home before they can do too much more damage to their “witness” or themselves.
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a HA!!! I KNEW I read that somewhere. At one time, I could identify with Arminianism.
Thank you for reminding me…
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Can I just clarify? Not all Southern Baptists are like that. Heck, most AREN’T like that. When I read what you posted I thought of the Duggars and the 19 Kids and Counting show on TLC. lol.
I grew up in Alabama. I grew up in a tiny town that had probably 10 baptist churches. (I graduated high school with 82 follks. I’m talking TINY) There were a few kids who were homeschooled, but they were Church of Christ members, not Baptists. I have a friend who is a Southern Baptist minister and his wife dresses rather trendy.
What you described sounded like Holiness, not Baptist.
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No, my husband belongs to the CofC and they do not believe OSAS.
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Salvation does not come by faith alone without living by the Ten Commandmentst
. In Acts Peter preached repentance, He told the people to repent so that their sins may by forgiven.
Man is justified by faith without the works of the Law," was not rightly understood, because Paul by “the works of the Law” meant the works of the man is justified by faith without the works of the Law," was not rightly understood, because Paul by “the works of the Law” meant the works of the Mosaic law, which was for the Jews; which we also clearly see from his words to Peter; whom he rebuked for judaizing, when yet he knew that “no one is justified by the works of the Law” (Galatians 2:14-16); also, that he distinguishes between the law of faith and the law of works; and between Jews and Gentiles, or circumcision and uncircumcision, meaning by circumcision, Judaism, as everywhere else; and likewise from his summing up with these words: Do we then abrogate the law through faith? Not so, but we establish the Law (Rom. 3:31). He says all these things in one series (Romans 3:27-31); and he also says in the preceding chapter: For not the hearers of the Law are justified by God, but the doers of the Law shall be justified (Rom. 3:13). God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6). We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or evil (2 Cor. 5:10). Besides many other things from him; from which it is evident that Paul rejects faith without good works, equally with James (2:17-26), which was for the Jews; which we also clearly see from his words to Peter; whom he rebuked for judaizing, when yet he knew that “no one is justified by the works of the Law” (Galatians 2:14-16); also, that he distinguishes between the law of faith and the law of works; and between Jews and Gentiles, or circumcision and uncircumcision, meaning by circumcision, Judaism, as everywhere else; and likewise from his summing up with these words: Do we then abrogate the law through faith? Not so, but we establish the Law (Rom. 3:31). He says all these things in one series (Romans 3:27-31); and he also says in the preceding chapter: For not the hearers of the Law are justified by God, but the doers of the Law shall be justified (Rom. 3:13). God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6). We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or evil (2 Cor. 5:10). Besides many other things from him; from which it is evident that Paul rejects faith without good works, equally with James (2:17-26) Paul did not mean we are not under the law of the Ten Commandments.He . meant the works of the Mosaic law we are the under. If we all repent and change our sinful ways, God will bless this Country… If we don’t China may take over.
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. In Acts Peter preached repentance, He told the people to repent so that their sins may by forgiven.
Man is justified by faith without the works of the Law," was not rightly understood, because Paul by “the works of the Law” meant the works of the man is justified by faith without the works of the Law," was not rightly understood, because Paul by “the works of the Law” meant the works of the Mosaic law, which was for the Jews; which we also clearly see from his words to Peter; whom he rebuked for judaizing, when yet he knew that “no one is justified by the works of the Law” (Galatians 2:14-16); also, that he distinguishes between the law of faith and the law of works; and between Jews and Gentiles, or circumcision and uncircumcision, meaning by circumcision, Judaism, as everywhere else; and likewise from his summing up with these words: Do we then abrogate the law through faith? Not so, but we establish the Law (Rom. 3:31). He says all these things in one series (Romans 3:27-31); and he also says in the preceding chapter: For not the hearers of the Law are justified by God, but the doers of the Law shall be justified (Rom. 3:13). God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6). We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or evil (2 Cor. 5:10). Besides many other things from him; from which it is evident that Paul rejects faith without good works, equally with James (2:17-26), which was for the Jews; which we also clearly see from his words to Peter; whom he rebuked for judaizing, when yet he knew that “no one is justified by the works of the Law” (Galatians 2:14-16); also, that he distinguishes between the law of faith and the law of works; and between Jews and Gentiles, or circumcision and uncircumcision, meaning by circumcision, Judaism, as everywhere else; and likewise from his summing up with these words: Do we then abrogate the law through faith? Not so, but we establish the Law (Rom. 3:31). He says all these things in one series (Romans 3:27-31); and he also says in the preceding chapter: For not the hearers of the Law are justified by God, but the doers of the Law shall be justified (Rom. 3:13). God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6). We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or evil (2 Cor. 5:10). Besides many other things from him; from which it is evident that Paul rejects faith without good works, equally with James (2:17-26) Paul did not mean we are not under the law of the Ten Commandments.He . meant the works of the Mosaic law we are the under. If we all repent and change our sinful ways, God will bless this Country… If we don’t China may take over.
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LolCan I just clarify? Not all Southern Baptists are like that. Heck, most AREN’T like that. When I read what you posted I thought of the Duggars and the 19 Kids and Counting show on TLC. lol.
I grew up in Alabama. I grew up in a tiny town that had probably 10 baptist churches. (I graduated high school with 82 follks. I’m talking TINY) There were a few kids who were homeschooled, but they were Church of Christ members, not Baptists. I have a friend who is a Southern Baptist minister and his wife dresses rather trendy.
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To answer the OP, no they do not. In fact, the OSAS caricature that most catholics seem to have in their mind is taught by an extremely small and insignificant minority of baptist and independent churches. By caricature I mean the idea that one can say a prayer and then go out and live in willful sin forever and still be saved. I’ve never been in a church that taught that.
Now, most baptists and many evangelicals (of which many are baptist in theology anyway) do hold to “actual” theology of OSAS that says a truly repentant heart that comes to Jesus and is saved will not lose their salvation. Such a person has a changed heart and will not live in repeated willful sin without sorrow and repentance, otherwise they would argue you were never truly saved to begin with. Additionally, a truly saved person will perservere and not walk away so they say. A large portion of non-catholics do believe salvation can be forfeited, though.
Now, I personally believe a person CAN lose their salvation (we’re told to perservere and work out our salvation with fear and trembling) but it doesnt happen accidentally. By that I mean I believe a person can be truly saved but, as an act of free will, can walk away in apostasy and willful sin and reject the gift. I don’t believe God revokes the salvation of the truly reborn and repentant, but we can say “no thanks” and walk away. I believe it is a deliberate act, if you wonder about whether or not you’ve lost your salvation then you probably havent because it’s a willful rejection of God.
Now, most baptists and many evangelicals (of which many are baptist in theology anyway) do hold to “actual” theology of OSAS that says a truly repentant heart that comes to Jesus and is saved will not lose their salvation. Such a person has a changed heart and will not live in repeated willful sin without sorrow and repentance, otherwise they would argue you were never truly saved to begin with. Additionally, a truly saved person will perservere and not walk away so they say. A large portion of non-catholics do believe salvation can be forfeited, though.
Now, I personally believe a person CAN lose their salvation (we’re told to perservere and work out our salvation with fear and trembling) but it doesnt happen accidentally. By that I mean I believe a person can be truly saved but, as an act of free will, can walk away in apostasy and willful sin and reject the gift. I don’t believe God revokes the salvation of the truly reborn and repentant, but we can say “no thanks” and walk away. I believe it is a deliberate act, if you wonder about whether or not you’ve lost your salvation then you probably havent because it’s a willful rejection of God.
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In order to believe your “OSAS” philosophy, one has to twist salvation as a one-time-event, which is unknown to Scripture and Church history.
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You have to over emphasize on certain aspects of scriptures and undermine the rest. That could happen too!
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They would be the denominations that that follow the teachings of Calvin. They would include Presbetyrians Reformed church, and Baptists, especially Baptists.Do you mind if I asked which denomination thought that? also if anyone could explain that which denominations teach this and which don’t would be nice. As I know nothing about protestantism just for knowledge
Other Protestants called Armenians do not believe that OSAS. they would include Methodists, Nazarenes, Pentecostals.
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Salvation can’t be lost is a Protestant thing. Their doctrine is faith alone, without good works.They think the Ten Commandments are for the Jews, and not for them. Protesants who believe in OSAS think the Lord pays no attention to the evils things they do in life, and that salvation is handed down to them on a silver platter. Many black churches are being mislead by OSAS. Are the white Christians in AZ. saved after taken side with that evil Sheriff Joe Arpaio. This guy hates Mexican Americans.
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Hi Harry,Salvation can’t be lost is a Protestant thing. Their doctrine is faith alone, without good works.They think the Ten Commandments are for the Jews, and not for them. Protesants who believe in OSAS think the Lord pays no attention to the evils things they do in life, and that salvation is handed down to them on a silver platter. Many black churches are being mislead by OSAS. Are the white ChristIians in AZ. saved by taken size that evil Sheriff Joe Arpaio
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I know you’re new here - welcome! - but one thing you’ll find is you can’t simply make a comment such as the one I bolded, and not be expected to provide evidence for it.
Lutherans are generally considered protestants, and I’d expect you have a source that shows that we believe the 10 commandments are only for the Jews. Any reliable, official Lutheran document or theologian would be fine. So, source please.
The charge I underlined seems to need a citation, as well. While Lutherans reject OSAS and its source, the Calvinist perseverance of saints, I don’t believe they think or teach that salvation is handed them on a silver platter. So, source please.
And frankly, your opinion of Joseph Arpaio doesn’t seem relevant.
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As I’ve said before, this is the false caricature catholics have of OSAS. The reality is that catholics are just as uninformed when it comes to what protestants believe as they accuse protestants of being of what they believe. I don’t believe in OSAS, but your post would be life me saying catholics are godless pagans who worship Mary and believe they can work their way into heaven. It’s ridiculous.Salvation can’t be lost is a Protestant thing. Their doctrine is faith alone, without good works.They think the Ten Commandments are for the Jews, and not for them. Protesants who believe in OSAS think the Lord pays no attention to the evils things they do in life, and that salvation is handed down to them on a silver platter. Many black churches are being mislead by OSAS. Are the white Christians in AZ. saved after taken side with that evil Sheriff Joe Arpaio. This guy hates Mexican Americans.
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I have literally never met a single christian who believes you can be saved and just sin willfully against God your whole life. If you’re going to spit on almost a billon people at least have the decency to educate yourself.
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If you would have bothered to read the whole post you’d know I dont believe in OSAS but was merely answering the OP
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Can anyone comment how reliable these lists are regarding the various denominations?
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_practices.htm
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_beliefs.htm
Thanks!
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_practices.htm
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_beliefs.htm
Thanks!
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