Do All Religions Believe In This 'So-Called Mark of The Beast?'

[Righteousone]

Today this woman I know came running up to me and said that in her bulletin at her church ‘International Family Church’, (yes my Catholic sisters and brothers, another denomination), it said that people were lining up in Florida to receive this micro-chip a quarter size of a grain of rice to be inserted under the skin for future illnesses detected by doctors. She seems to think it is the Mark of the Beast that is talked about in Revelation. That there will be on every human a Mark of the Beast and that this micro-chip is it.
I also heard this from a friend of mine who is Catholic many years ago and I told him he was nuts. Now I wonder if he was correct.
It is pretty scary to me to even think about this. Do you think this could happen? I would refuse it in case it were true. But how are we to know?

 

[Publisher]

No. There is no physical “mark of the beast”. It is a construct the writer of Revelation used to distinguish between believers and non believers.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

If you favor man’s governments instead of the Kingdom of God Jesus promises then you take the Mark of the Beast. Such as all things I have said about supporting secular State of Israel which rejects Jesus as its king.

1 Kings 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

why would any human need to know if someone has the ‘mark’ or not? what business is it of ours? What would we do about it if someone else has this mark? seems to me that only God needs to know if such a thing exists. So why would it be a human thing like some microchip? I don’t think God needs a microchip. Not when He can read hearts. And apparently foreheads too.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Matthew 22:25-28 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Revelation 17:9-11 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Matthew 22:19-21 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

why would any human need to know if someone has the ‘mark’ or not? what business is it of ours? What would we do about it if someone else has this mark? seems to me that only God needs to know if such a thing exists. So why would it be a human thing like some microchip? I don’t think God needs a microchip. Not when He can read hearts. And apparently foreheads too.

When the time come all will be required to receive the mark of the beast without it you will not be able to buy or sell anything in ST Johns Revelation.

“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666” (Rev. 13:16-18)

the use of a micro chip would make this very possible as it would do away with the need for cash just scan the chip placed in your hand. and think it makes so much since no cash you don’t have to worry about losing it or being stolen you don’t need to carry id all this info is programed into the chip. Refuse to take it.

 

[ora_pro_nobis]

Funny, but when I went to visit someone in hospital last week, one of the nurses was going on about this microchip business.
Alarm bells rang for a couple of reasons - the nurse was trying to evangelize someone she knows full well is a devout Catholic, and this struck me as being unprofessional as she was on duty. :tsktsk:
She was getting quite animated about how it was all “to do with the European Union” and that if they didn’t get you with microchips they would “do it with lasers”
Then she started going on about the “Rapture” :bigyikes:

I don’t know what church this nurse goes to (I didn’t want to get drawn into the “discussion”), but really, it sounds completely nuts to me

 

[FaithofAbraham]

When the time come all will be required to receive the mark of the beast without it you will not be able to buy or sell anything in ST Johns Revelation.

Though we have to look at what Jesus did with the tribute money. He said go ahead and pay your taxes to Caesar, just don’t worship the GOD WE TRUST on the money.

The Mark has been around for a long time, though it may get more and more apparent. But it all starts in your mind.

Who are you teaching your children to love most, God or Caesar?



Revelation 13:16 …a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

She was getting quite animated about how it was all “to do with the European Union” and that if they didn’t get you with microchips they would “do it with lasers”
Then she started going on about the “Rapture” :bigyikes:

I don’t know what church this nurse goes to (I didn’t want to get drawn into the “discussion”), but really, it sounds completely nuts to me

it IS nuts and I heard of it 20 years ago–in the south…my guess is Church of Christ or some other born-again sect that is big on the Rapture and the whole Left Behind scene.
I find it very fear-based and sensationalist. Armageddon–when ever it comes or not is not our business—it is God’s war. The ravens fed Elijah in the wilderness—Jesus said not to worry about food or clothing like te unbelievers but to seek first the Kingdom. No sense getting all worked up about it.
Why do people always assume that Satan is into new technology? And by the way–it is God’s ‘secretary’ that marks us --not Satan or his agents. Ezekiel was the man with the inkhorn, God’s prophet.

 

[PaulDupre]

Another insight into the mark of the beast:

4 “Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.[a] 5 And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. 6 And you must commit yourselves wholeheartedly to these commands that I am giving you today. 7 Repeat them again and again to your children. Talk about them when you are at home and when you are on the road, when you are going to bed and when you are getting up. 8 Tie them to your hands and wear them on your forehead as reminders.

• Deuteronomy 6:4-8

In Deut, wearing the commands of God on your hands and forehead signify a devotion to those commands, and so to God himself.

Compare to Revelation 13:16-18

16 He required everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead. 17 And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark, which was either the name of the beast or the number representing his name. 18 Wisdom is needed here. Let the one with understanding solve the meaning of the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. His number is 666.

We can see that St. John is recalling the imagery of Deuteronomy here as he recalls much of the imagery of Daniel in other parts of the Revelation. Seems to me that the mark is adherence to a false religion with a false prophet. If you are not loyal follower of that religion, you will not be able to buy or sell - in effect you are relegated to the fringes of society.

Just one possibility.

Paul

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Another insight into the mark of the beast:

In Deut, wearing the commands of God on your hands and forehead signify a devotion to those commands, and so to God himself.

Compare to Revelation 13:16-18

We can see that St. John is recalling the imagery of Deuteronomy here as he recalls much of the imagery of Daniel in other parts of the Revelation. Seems to me that the mark is adherence to a false religion with a false prophet. If you are not loyal follower of that religion, you will not be able to buy or sell - in effect you are relegated to the fringes of society.

Just one possibility.

Paul

If lucky just force to the fringes, but if we look at the preceding verse

1. It was then permitted to breathe life into the beast’s image, so that the beast’s image could speak and have anyone who did not worship it put to death.

thats a little more than life on the fringe,but better than choose the mark.

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

this is all based on the assumption that Revelation/Apocalypse has some special significance in our lifetime and can be interpreted literally.

 

[swariffin]

If you favor man’s governments instead of the Kingdom of God Jesus promises then you take the Mark of the Beast. Such as all things I have said about supporting secular State of Israel which rejects Jesus as its king.

1 Kings 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Dear FoA,

I think you believe in many the so-called futurist interpretation of the book of revelation. Let me give you a hand. Eliminate on what will happen according to those futurist, and focused on what should be done to be saved. As times goes by, those futurist will fall one by one as their predictions will not matched to what will happened, but your action still clinging to teaching of Jesus will still save you.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

I think you believe in many the so-called futurist interpretation of the book of revelation. Let me give you a hand. Eliminate on what will happen according to those futurist, and focused on what should be done to be saved. As times goes by, those futurist will fall one by one as their predictions will not matched to what will happened, but your action still clinging to teaching of Jesus will still save you.

No it is happening right now. I don’t eliminate anything, all the Bible is important.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Matthew 22:25-28 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Revelation 17:9-11 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Matthew 22:19-21 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

These quotes don’t have anything to do with this discussion. You will have to explain what you think they mean so we can understand you.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Matthew 22:25-28 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Revelation 17:9-11 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Matthew 22:19-21 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

These quotes don’t have anything to do with this discussion. You will have to explain what you think they mean so we can understand you.

 

[swariffin]

No it is happening right now. I don’t eliminate anything, all the Bible is important.

In that case, we better watch. Which futurist interpretation is correct and who is wrong. All the bible is important indeed, but what the futurist tells are not. Some write their story just to get people’s attention and make money out of it. I am asking you to test the futurist interpretations first, and not to take them for granted. If you make your interpretation, make sure you will not be away from the teaching of Jesus. Jesus himself condemned the Thorah Experts while He, Himself, never claim to abandon the Thorah.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

These quotes don’t have anything to do with this discussion. You will have to explain what you think they mean so we can understand you.

Jesus said to pay your taxes to Caesar, follow his laws as you are able, but don’t fall in love with him. Love God.

 

[ralphinal]

I have heard about this for years, at least since the 1980s. I have also been told that UPC bar codes are the mark of the beast, and that we will be issued one one day as well. I know for a fact that the social security number is the mark, as you cannot get a job without one. Therefor, without one you cannot buy food or medication or anything else. So, all Americans are already carrying the mark of the beast and we are therefore lost.

 

[renewaladvocate]

My friend who is about to receive his doctorate in Missiology from the Pontifical University of St. Gregory Great (the Gregorium???).

He seems to believe that the mark of the Beast will be a chip in someones hand.

I also know a Biblical scholar who said that this microchip could be a modern day form of the mark of the Beast. (This does not mean he believes that the microchip is necessarily the “mark” spoken of in the Apocalypse).

My view on it is a both-and. I do not believe that receiving a chip in your hand or head will condemn you to hell - there are all kinds of medical devices put in your body, (pacemakers for instance) There is no sin in receiving this kind of divice, as there is no violation of the Law of God in merely receiving a chip. But my alternative scenario is this: what if this final antichrist requires all who use a chip to declare their allegiance to him in the use of this chip, and in order to buy or sell using the chip you must in some way declare your allegiance to the Antichrist? The chip would then become a “mark of a beast.”

I think though we must be very careful in this kind of speculation, and I believe it is clear, the beast emporer Domitian, and the false prophet is the Priesthood of pagan Rome, which enforced Emporer worship. This is my conviction after years of private (and totally amateur) study of the Apocalypse.

If we are preachers of the Word of God as Christians, it is important to not discredit our witness with wild conspiracy theories about marks of the beast which at this point cannot be proven and may turn people off from the Gospel. To many Christians seem to want to scare people into believing - this is especially among the Dispensationalist / Rapturist types. Unfortunately, I have seen it also far too much in Catholics. God is love, and we must witness to this love and a healthy fear of God, based upon love.

Lastly, I think that this is a very psychologically thrilling worldview: you know the world is ending, how it will end, and you will be in the right, vindicated by God by your faithfulness to Him, while everyone else who did not listen to you gets to roast. This attitude is completely antithetical to Christian belief. We must pray for the grace to witness to others about the love of God. If we have God’s grace in our hearts, then we have no need to worry about the future.

That’s all I really have to say about this.

God bless,
Peter Rowe

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