L
lak611
Guest
Thanks for the links. That guy doesn’t even understand the KJV and he’s trying to make up silly false statements about the Catholic Church.:whacky:
- Status
G
Gottle_of_Geer
Guest
At least in the UK:
- There is an Anglican shrine to the BVM at Walsingham, just as there is a Catholic one. (The first book on the BVM I read was published in 1938 - it’s by a “High” Anglican; & it’s the best I’ve read, with one possible exception)
- Evangelicals - of the fiercer, “No Popery” variety - tend not so much to witness to “High” Anglicans, as against them; especially because of things like 1. The C of E is very comprehensive
- one can be Anglican & all but Calvinist, Anglican & Evangelical w/out being Calvinist, Anglican Evangelical w. or w/out believing in Biblical inerrancy, Anglican & “more Roman than Rome” (there are Anglicans who are entirely at ease in talking about “The Mass”; & will even use the pre-V2 Missal; in English of course: some of the best writing about the Mass has been the work of Anglicans - Bishop Forbes of Brechin in the 19th century is an example). One can also be “just Anglican” - just as most Catholics are probably “just Catholic”. Equally, there are atheists in Holy Orders - some of them are well-known, if not to Catholics.
What to Catholics may seem a bewildering & trackless chaos, is from another POV a wonderful variety: just as, in the Psalm, the Bride of the King is circumdata varietate. I think Anglicanism embodies some of this varietas.
G
GKC
Guest
“(there are Anglicans who are entirely at ease in talking about “The Mass”; & will even use the pre-V2 Missal; in English of course:”
You’ve been reading my posts.
Though my parish tends to the Anglican Missal.
And our last Solemn Requiem Mass was replete with Latin, including the Dies Irae
GKC
Anglicanus Catholicus
You’ve been reading my posts.
Though my parish tends to the Anglican Missal.
And our last Solemn Requiem Mass was replete with Latin, including the Dies Irae
GKC
Anglicanus Catholicus
G
GKC
Guest
++Ramsay was high and reasonably Anglo-Catholic and good buds with Paul VI. Last Archbishop of Canterbury I would bother to read.I regret to say that I wrote first - then read
Actually, I was remembering my University days - as a haunter of bookshops, I came across an Anglican Altar-Missal.
I believe the late Archbishop of Canterbury, Michael Ramsay, was “High” ##
GKC
M
MugenOne
Guest
I love that show. I think Bear Grylls is Catholic. There’s a big Catholic population in Australia.
A
AdvanceAlways
Guest
Ok I really hate to defend the ECUA but I have to defend the Falls Church. These guys are high Anglican. They are not as evangilical like as the folks at the Truro Church. At least of what i remember, i could be mistaken. Its been years since i attended school there.
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
**
Hi Advance,
Might I recommend: The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity
One of my personal heros Fr John Corapi and a ACTS brother Fr Dennis. belongs to that order. They have a special devotion to the BVM. You shall now be in the daily prayers of over 9,000 Knights of Columbus brothers, their families and 93 seminarians here in the San Antonio Area. We pray the rosary daily for the end of abortion and an increase in vocations.As for Anglicans, if not for them being Protestants many of them they would be Christians.
The Anglican “Communion” considers itself to be part of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and as being both Catholic and Reformed. When they left the protection of the HS, the corruption of Satan started to split them like the other Protestant groups. For some adherents their beliefs represents a non-papal Catholicism, for others a more Protestant form without a dominant guiding figure such as Luther, Knox, Calvin, Zwingli or Wesley. For others, their self-identity represents some combination of the other two.They all deserve our prayers! That is all that I can do as an individual. I must declare that no matter what they may believe they do not apolosticsuccession and therefore CAN NOT have real presense although they believe in it and “delude” themselves that they do.
GKC is a upright and good man! Him and SIA add a lot to the CAF. Both of them realize that RC must continue to defend our beliefs. Some times their feelings get hurt. By unkind remarks. I say the truth in love and attempt not to hurt their feelings. I have the utmost respect for both of them. Their conversion to the real church would be so easy and they could actually have the real presense of Jesus in their Eucharist.
As I said we can pray for them!
God Bless
**
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
**Hi lak,
You don’t get out very much do you?
Dave Hunt was born in 1926. His church background is Plymouth Brethren. He has a degree in mathematics and a career as a CPA/management consultant, during which time he became involved in numerous campus ministries, with a special outreach to foreign students. Beginning in 1973, Hunt went into ministry full-time. He has authored or co-authored more than 30 books dealing with the incursion into Western culture, religion, and the church itself, of Eastern as well as psychological and selfist philosophies, New Age thinking, ecumenism between Catholics and Protestants, and other heretical teachings. More than three million copies of Hunt’s books have been sold, and have been translated into many languages. Hunt fills numerous speaking engagements in many countries, is a frequent radio and TV talk-show guest (as well as co-hosting his own radio show), and has engaged in many debates with Catholic apologists. Hunt’s organization publishes a free monthly newsletter, The Berean Call, which has a mailing list of more than 25,000.
- Dave Hunt is not a “five-point” Arminian (he says he believes in the Perseverance of the Saints), but he is clearly Arminian with respect to man’s role in salvation. In Whatever Happened to Heaven? (Harvest House:1988), Hunt goes so far as to say that anyone who denies man’s free will in salvation blasphemes God’s character. Bottom line for Hunt, if you’re not an Arminian, you are a blasphemer! (In late 2002, Hunt published another pro-Arminian book, What Love Is This?: Calvinism’s Misrepresentation of God, and is labeled by Hunt as a “defense of God’s character.”) – Hunt has kinder words for false teachers such as Billy Graham and Bill Bright than for those whom affirm the sovereignty of God in salvation! [Hunt reiterates his “blasphemes” and/or “maligns” God’s character claim in the Q&A sections of both the 5/02 and 9/05 issues of TBC, and again in What Love Is This?. Moreover, in the Q&A section of the 9/05 TBC, Hunt declares that those disagreeing with his Arminian theology are reprobate!
Only he works for the Devil! 
God Bless[/COLOR]**
J
Jean_1958
Guest
Hi,
Maybe this has already been addressed, but I was curious and need to ask this question. I have heard that Anglicans/Episcopalians can discern for themselves whether or not to believe in the Real Presence. If this true? Thank you for answering my question.
God Bless,
Jean
Maybe this has already been addressed, but I was curious and need to ask this question. I have heard that Anglicans/Episcopalians can discern for themselves whether or not to believe in the Real Presence. If this true? Thank you for answering my question.
God Bless,
Jean
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
**Hi chris,It was a bit of a shock after becoming a Catholic, that there was a lot less crossing, genuflecting, etc during the Catholic Mass than we did as Episcopalians.
You’d think it might’ve been the other way around, but…
You would love the Pre-Vatican II Mass. We stayed on our Knees more!
I still thump my chest etc. I think that many changes of our church’s small “t” traditions were wrong although allowed. There seems to be more changes coming, after all it has only been 40 years since Vatican II, a short time in the history of the church. Vatican I changes took over 1 hundred years to be fully implemented .With regard to Mass we actually have two extremes and a more moderate positions. One extreme position is the kind of informal Mass, all in English, facing the people, with contemporary music, which does not at all correspond with what the Council had in mind. But it is legitimate, it is permitted; it is not wrong. That is probably the Mass you attend weekly.
And we have on the other extreme, those who returned or never left the Mass prior to 1963 and it is thriving and growing.
But even that was not what the Council had in mind. Here is a good article explaining if you care. It is also a good general catholic information site!
Click on: Mass
God Bless**
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
**
Hi lak,
No one understands the KJV there are 100 versions, Even Protestants are starting to realize there are problems with it! :
Click on: KJV
Click on: Beware
What they don’t realize is that in 1422Ad The Council at Florence confirmed the Roman Catholic Canon of the Bible which Pope Damasus I had published a thousand years earlier. So, by 1439, all orthodox branches of the Church were legally bound to the same canon. This is 100 years before the Reformation.
Then in 1536AD, without authority, while translating the Bible To german from Greek Luther removed 4 N.T. books (Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation) and placed them in an appendix saying they were less than canonical. Way to go Martin! :whacky: That started the corruption which the devil continues today! 61,000 Protestant groups, 1,375 doctrines and dogmas to pick and choose from and 100 versions of the Bible. Yup! That should unite Christians!
“Do not consider it proof just because it is written in books, for a liar who will deceive with his tongue will not hesitate to do the same with his pen.” - Maimonides
“When the Devil quotes Scriptures, it’s not, really, to deceive, but simply that the masses are so ignorant of theology that somebody
has to teach them the elementary texts before he can seduce them.” - Paul Goodman
God Bless**
C
chris_molter
Guest
Funny you should say that! I was received into the Church by a traditional Priest in the ‘old form’ and was also married using the old liturgy.**Hi chris,
You would love the Pre-Vatican II Mass. We stayed on our Knees more!
If it wasn’t for the traditional Mass, I’d probably have gone back to a splinter Anglican group or stopped going to church altogether.
G
GKC
Guest
And you are a thoughtful man, yourself. All prayers gladly accepted, anytime.**
Hi Advance,
Might I recommend: The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity
As for Anglicans, if not for them being Protestants many of them they would be Christians.
They all deserve our prayers! That is all that I can do as an individual. I must declare that no matter what they may believe they do not apolosticsuccession and therefore CAN NOT have real presense although they believe in it and “delude” themselves that they do.
GKC is a upright and good man! Him and SIA add a lot to the CAF. Both of them realize that RC must continue to defend our beliefs. Some times their feelings get hurt. By unkind remarks. I say the truth in love and attempt not to hurt their feelings. I have the utmost respect for both of them. Their conversion to the real church would be so easy and they could actually have the real presense of Jesus in their Eucharist.
As I said we can pray for them!
God Bless
**
But in my roughly 10 years of posting on RC boards, I’ve never had my feelings hurt. Affirming RC doctrine is entirely proper for an RC, and doesn’t bother me; indeed, I often remind RCs to do it. If I can’t explain Anglicanism, in reponse to something the RCC affirms (if appropriate), more shame to me, not to you.
Hence, my hobbies of history reading. Deep, that’s the place to be.
Pax, frater.
GKC
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
**
Hi GKC,
You are a thoughtful man, yourself. All prayers gladly accepted, anytime.
**You are also! You are a non-catholic not an anti-catholic. It is my pleasure to “know” you. **
But in my roughly 10 years of posting on RC boards, I’ve never had my feelings hurt.
**I am glad to hear that but find it is hard to believe. Maybe you forgive and forget! There are many “mean” people here. I get accused of being mean sometimes. It has more to do with the media than what I say.Although some people object to being told their religion isn’t the real faith taught by Jesus. Some anti catholics have found out that I will defend the Faith and correct their lies and misconceptions. With non-catholic I listen, answer and we discuss the differences. The way it should be.
One example of a common complaint against our faith of course is that we “worship” Mary. The honest Catholic response: “No we don’t, we love her, we venerate her, and we ask for her intercession, but we do not believe she is divine and we do not worship her – if you don’t believe me, you can read it for yourself in the Catechism.”
Non-Catholic response: “Oh, I didn’t realize that…thank you for clarifying your beliefs.” or “Why do you kiss statues aren’t they idols?” We respond back about people kissing pictures of their parents etc. It is a sign of affection not worship. They often realize the sincerely of our responses, they still may or may not agree. One Baptist minister told me that he always kissed a picture of his late Mother and my statement hit home! Since that day he said he will not attack our devotion to Mary. But he still doesn’t agree in praying to anyone but Jesus.
Anti-Catholic response: “Yes you do!” And then they will provide pictures of people kissing statues of BVM, ancient prayer of addoration that even I have never seen. One time I provided 150 titles that are or have been used.
In other words, the anti-Catholic refuses to hear what Catholics actually believe about God, about Scripture, and about doctrine, even when presented with proof from the Catechism, Council documents, papal encyclicals, and the testimony of us individual Catholics. They also take passages out of various Church documents, without context, and present them as “proof” that Catholic teaching is contrary to Scripture. When shown that these passages, when taken in context and interpreted as a Catholic interprets them, in no way contradict Scripture, they refuse to accept what is put before them and continue to preach their misrepresentations, half-truths, and outright lies. In other words, they are more comfortable believing ill about Catholicism, than they are making an honest attempt to search for the truth about Catholicism. That’s an anti-Catholic.
A non-Catholic will consider what is put before them and, while disagreeing with the Catholic point of view, will still allow the Catholic to believe what we actually believe. They will not insist we believe something we don’t believe. They will respond to rational arguments instead of just ignoring them or arbitrarily declaring them to be wrong.**
Affirming RC doctrine is entirely proper for an RC, and doesn’t bother me; indeed, I often remind RCs to do it. If I can’t explain Anglicanism, in reponse to something the RCC affirms (if appropriate), more shame to me, not to you.
Same here!
Hence, my hobbies of history reading. Deep, that’s the place to be.
**The past should remain History, The future isn’t here yet, the present is all we can **
**
*Pacis vobis quoque meus frater. May Deus Servo vos! Vivat Jesu’ ***
G
GKC
Guest
Oh, you may trust me, as to whether I’ve had my feelings hurt. I would know. Never happened. Necessary conditions don’t exist, in this sort of format.
So you need not wonder about whether I would be hurt by you calling me non-Catholic, though I wonder why you linked that term to discussion issues of Mary worship, or statues, etc. My parish’s Mary Shrine is centered on a statue of OL of Walsingham, and we sing the Angelus at every Mass. Our assistant priest has a special devotion to the BVM.
And, on boards such as these, I’ve often explained to prot types the difference between *dulia, hyperdulia * and latria, as well as the analogy of pictures of loved ones, as you say. You are perhaps, not well informed as to the particular nature of Anglo-Catholics, or how we might look at Our Lady, or perhaps other matters. Which conclusion (accurate or erroneous) will, I know, not hurt your feelings.
I agree that my previous point was what you say; that RCs should affirm what the RCC teaches. It is, in so many points what an Anglo-Catholic affirms. You don’t know me well, though some here do. I am a book collector, and have been, for over 50 years. This avocation (though it has also been a vocation) has resulted in me knowing things. Lots of things. For instance, you posted a C&P from Ott’s FUNDAMENTALS OF CATHOLIC DOGMA, recently, on evolution. Though you didn’t give the precise source, it was Book 2, Section 2, Chap. 1, para 12, sub para 2.
Don’t take history too lightly. Being deep in it is said to have beneficial effects, as you may have heard.
GKC
So you need not wonder about whether I would be hurt by you calling me non-Catholic, though I wonder why you linked that term to discussion issues of Mary worship, or statues, etc. My parish’s Mary Shrine is centered on a statue of OL of Walsingham, and we sing the Angelus at every Mass. Our assistant priest has a special devotion to the BVM.
And, on boards such as these, I’ve often explained to prot types the difference between *dulia, hyperdulia * and latria, as well as the analogy of pictures of loved ones, as you say. You are perhaps, not well informed as to the particular nature of Anglo-Catholics, or how we might look at Our Lady, or perhaps other matters. Which conclusion (accurate or erroneous) will, I know, not hurt your feelings.
I agree that my previous point was what you say; that RCs should affirm what the RCC teaches. It is, in so many points what an Anglo-Catholic affirms. You don’t know me well, though some here do. I am a book collector, and have been, for over 50 years. This avocation (though it has also been a vocation) has resulted in me knowing things. Lots of things. For instance, you posted a C&P from Ott’s FUNDAMENTALS OF CATHOLIC DOGMA, recently, on evolution. Though you didn’t give the precise source, it was Book 2, Section 2, Chap. 1, para 12, sub para 2.
Don’t take history too lightly. Being deep in it is said to have beneficial effects, as you may have heard.
GKC
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
Oh, you may trust me, as to whether I’ve had my feelings hurt. I would know. Never happened. Necessary conditions don’t exist, in this sort of format.
Hi GKC,
So you need not wonder about whether I would be hurt by you calling me non-Catholic, though I wonder why you linked that term to discussion issues of Mary worship, or statues, etc. My parish’s Mary Shrine is centered on a statue of OL of Walsingham, and we sing the Angelus at every Mass. Our assistant priest has a special devotion to the BVM.
**
Yes, you mentioned the devotion to the BVM before. I am aware of that by some Anglican’s the High Church per say. That remark was only used as a strawman example It wasn’t addressed to you specifically, just as an easy example ofsomething MANY non-catholics mistakenly believe about Catholic beliefs!
Since Devotion to Mary is not necessary for salvation, many non-Catholic don’t realize that many Catholics do not have any devotion to Mary at all. I find many who don’t even own a Rosary much less know how to pray it!
I do know that you realize that as a RC I don’t believe in the “three” Branch Theory. A non-catholic is a “Protestant”. The term Anglo-Catholic only serves to obfuscate the truth. The apostolic letter Apostolic;ae curae in 1896 by Pope Leo XIII declared Anglican orders “absolutely null and utterly void,” **
And, on boards such as these, I’ve often explained to prot types the difference between *dulia, hyperdulia * and latria, as well as the analogy of pictures of loved ones, as you say.
**
Yes. the greek words translate only worship and they are so sure their use of the word proves that we worship Mary! **
You are perhaps, not well informed as to the particular nature of Anglo-Catholics, or how we might look at Our Lady, or perhaps other matters.
**I doubt that even Anglo-Catholics are that well informed just like Catholics aren’t about the Catholic church. I learnt a long time ago that anyone who makes an absolute statement is absolutely wrong all the time and often wonder that If there’s an exception to every rule is there an exception to that rule? :bounce: **
Which conclusion (accurate or erroneous) will, I know, not hurt your feelings.
**
Not at all. But Actually I do know more about your faith now than I did months ago. I always knew your church were called the “Great Pretenders” Years ago when I went to a Anglican Mass, I saw why. I then studied about your faith and why it was also conmsidered a false religion. “Almost” real is still not real. I pray that our leaders continue to attempt to rejoin at least part of the Anglican church back into the flock.
I agree that my previous point was what you say; that RCs should affirm what the RCC teaches. It is, in so many points what an Anglo-Catholic affirms. You don’t know me well, though some here do. I am a book collector, and have been, for over 50 years. This avocation (though it has also been a vocation) has resulted in me knowing things. Lots of things. For instance, you posted a C&P from Ott’s FUNDAMENTALS OF CATHOLIC DOGMA, recently, on evolution. Though you didn’t give the precise source, it was Book 2, Section 2, Chap. 1, para 12, sub para 2.
**
OK i am impressed!
Don’t take history too lightly. Being deep in it is said to have
beneficial effects, as you may have heard.
**
I don’t! “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” ATTRIBUTION: George Santayana (1863?1952), U.S. philosopher, poet. Life of Reason, ‘Reason in Common Sense,’ ch. 12 (1905-6).
**
I also love books! I have Hundreds. About 20% are Religious.
I purchased “Mark Twain Selected Works” Last night. a Hard cover Gramercy Books Publication, to replace a book lost in a flood! He is one of my personal heros!
I love Shakespeare : “I’ll note you in my book of memory”
I love Morher Teresa : “The thing that makes me the saddest is watching people receive communion in the hand.” (As reported by Fr. George Rutler in 1989 when he asked her, “What do you think is the worst problem in the world today?” ) The day I read that was the last day I took communion in the hand!**
I love St Agustine: “Charity is no substitute for justice withheld”
I love Abraham Lincoln: “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
I love Jokes: I know the Oldest recorded Joke: It dates all the way back to 1900 B.C. The joke, told by the Sumerians, one of the earliest known civilizations of the world who lived in what is now southern Iraq, was inscribed on stone tablets .According to researchers from Britain’s University of Wolverhampton: It went like this:
“Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.”
OK, maybe you had to be there.
God Bless
S
SIA
Guest
Yes we do. I would say in fact that we probably cross ourselves at least twice as much in our Holy Eucharist Sunday Service as I can remember doing at mass when I was Catholic.
I cross myself differently now than I did when I was Catholic. I use my three fingers together (thumb, index and middle) to signify the Trinity and my two remaining fingers down to signify Jesus being divine and human at the same time. I then cross from my right to left instead of left to right. This is to keep on the same visual track as our priest when he blesses using an outward sign of the cross on us.
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
Yes we do. I would say in fact that we probably cross ourselves at least twice as much in our Holy Eucharist Sunday Service as I can remember doing at mass when I was Catholic.
**Hi Sia,
Now you got me interested,
You do realize the different between regular coffee and decalf coffee, right? The caffeine has been removed. It is the same with the Anglican Service, Jesus has been removed from the Eucharistic Host due to the King Henry VIII as published in apostolic letter Apostolic;ae curae in 1896 by Pope Leo XIII declared Anglican orders “absolutely null and utterly void,” A couple of people told me you got very angry and argued about Rome and St Peter being the first Pope, etc on another thread. They asked me why you would deny that. Until that time I had forgotten about your being a Anglican. Of course you have to protest The Popes authority to pretend that you still have Jesus in your Eucharist. I understand, but it doesn’t make your argument true and after 16 centuries of agreeing with the RCC if that was your churchs stants would seem kind of dumb. So the King messed up his country’s church to be able to anull his marriage and you lost your soul by leaving the real church for a phony one!
Facts are facts. But it is still a pity! **
I cross myself differently now than I did when I was Catholic.
**
By choice I am thinking! I don’t think it matters how so much as touching the four areas. many catholics make some kind of magic movement in the air that looks like a figure 8 I think they mean it to be the sign of the cross but am not sure! I do like what wikipedia says about it The sign. It is very informative. When I go out to restaurants to eat I slowly and carefully make the sign before saying my before meal prayer. Once a guy asked why I did that I said “to Honor the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” He said “I am not Catholic can I do that also”? I said “Of course, God likes all of his children to Honor him!” If his minister saw him doing it he probable have to find another church to belong!
Click on: Wikipedia’s Explaination**
I use my three fingers together (thumb, index and middle) to signify the Trinity and my two remaining fingers down to signify Jesus being divine and human at the same time. I then cross from my right to left instead of left to right. This is to keep on the same visual track as our priest when he blesses using an outward sign of the cross on us.
**:Hmmm: OK!
God Bless**
G
GKC
Guest
Somehow, the quote function doesn’t work on your posts. I’ll improvise.
" "The apostolic letter Apostolic;ae curae in 1896 by Pope Leo XIII declared Anglican orders “absolutely null and utterly void,” "
Technically, it’s that form of apostolic letter referred to as a Bull, and yes, I know. *Apostolicae Curae * is one of my hobby areas (I got a lot of them). I know more about it than the next 4 people you are likely to meet randomly on the street. Unless you meet Joe. Joe knows more about it than I do. But he’s definitely stupor mundi. Remember that Anglicans don’t affirm what RCs affirm, about this and that, including the validity of our orders (unless we were to discuss the concept of matter, in the last few years). But if the subject is part of our discussion, I know about the subject, in depth, from the first meeting of Lord Halifax and the Abbe Portal, in 1890, on the island of Madeira, to the last of the Malines Conversations. I know the history, theology, personalities, politics, and details of this sad topic. For instance, in another post here, you mentioned King Henry VIII in connection with Apostolicae Curae. Hank was not a part of the judgment the Bull made; that was related to the Edwardine Ordinal, the sacramental points of form and intent, and (most likely) the consecration of Archbishop Parker, in 1559, long after Henry died.
My interest in history (my reference was not to Santayana, but to Newman) long predates the internet, and I rarely use it for my research. I like seeing things in the original, not as filtered by multiple C&Ps. Makes for more precision. And for a far greater range of material.You got hundreds of books, which is good. I got tens of thousands, which can be a problem. But also very, very useful. If you want to look at Ott, pp. 93-94, in the 1974 TAN Books trade paperback edition, say. And you have a fine choice of books and authors there. As you might guess, one of my favorites is Chesterton. Been collecting him for 45 years; hence my board name… And many, many others collected similarly.
I’m not an advocate of the branch theory myself. That implies too much of a correctness to the situation. It isn’t, it’s pathological. And complicated. History usually is.
The point of all this posturing. If you affirm what the RCC says you must affirm, you will not bother me at all. If, in doing so, it seems you don’t understand a point of Anglicanism (and Anglicanism has a whole bunch of points, that need explaining), I may comment. It’s the reason I got started on boards like this, years ago. And if you make an historical assertion that I find dubious, I’ll also comment. It’s what I do.
GKC
*Anglicanus Catholicus *
- Status