Do animals have any religion?

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cathdoki said:
That logic doesn’t follow. How can you be an atheist if you don’t know there is a God?
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I don’t know if leprechauns exist or not, but I don’t believe in them.

I don’t know if ghosts exist or not, but I don’t believe in them.

I don’t know that there’s not such thing as purple-spotted unicorns that live on a planet in the far reaches of the Milky Way, but I don’t believe in them.

An atheist is someone who does not believe in gods, and I do not believe because there is insufficient evidence.
 
tonyrey said:
In that case why are you an AntiTheist?! If you have no evidence that God does not exist you should be an agnostic rather than an adversary of theism - unless you base your (non)beliefs entirely on prejudice and emotion…
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I don’t think that godclaims have met their burden of proof, and as such, I dismiss them as I would other claims that have not met their burden of proof (such as, for example, claims about the Hindu gods or about leprechauns).
 
AntiTheist said:
An atheist is someone who does not believe in gods, and I do not believe because there is insufficient evidence.
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“insufficient evidence”

Sounds like there’s ‘some’ evidence for the existence of God. How much do you need to convince you of God’s existence?

Because God is pure spirit you can never prove God’s existence with material world science. Any evidence is enough for me.
 
God’s creation glorify him. God didn’t create atheist that is just absurd.
Psalm 150:6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD.
 
I’m wondering why the sincere agnostic remains an agnostic. I can understand, somewhat, why an atheist remains an atheist if he is adamant against religion itself. He’s erected an impregnable barrier around himself that makes it impossible to penetrate, even with the beauty of love that God longs to shower on him. But a sincere agnostic may be longing to know the truth, yet can’t quite be sure what to believe. He may be envious of the joy he sees in his Christian friends. He may yearn to be a believer along with his friends, but he lacks the power of faith. My suggestion for these individuals is to give God a trial period. Talk to Him. Ask Him if He’s real. Ask a favor of Him. What do you have to lose? No one even has to know you’re doing this. The important thing is to try to communicate with God and keep an open mind. He will communicate with you.
 
Waiting said:
I’m wondering why the sincere agnostic remains an agnostic. I can understand, somewhat, why an atheist remains an atheist if he is adamant against religion itself. He’s erected an impregnable barrier around himself that makes it impossible to penetrate, even with the beauty of love that God longs to shower on him. But a sincere agnostic may be longing to know the truth, yet can’t quite be sure what to believe. He may be envious of the joy he sees in his Christian friends. He may yearn to be a believer along with his friends, but he lacks the power of faith. My suggestion for these individuals is to give God a trial period. Talk to Him. Ask Him if He’s real. Ask a favor of Him. What do you have to lose? No one even has to know you’re doing this. The important thing is to try to communicate with God and keep an open mind. He will communicate with you.
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I can not speak for anyone but for myself. If I have barrier to the power of faith, I must have been born with it. I have given God the trial period about the very same time of my first posting here and the many Masses and deep introspection of claims. I do have a very excellent priest who is a helping hand during this time.
He has not come out and said outright that there is no chance after this time. He has been so patient and asks forward questions.
Last week, I felt a sense that he is starting to worry about me in a way I never felt before.
He is worrying that I am not taking enough of a step back from thinking this out.
In other words, I need to take time to stop and just let myself relax and not consider these things for a time.
As much as I love him, and I do- I can not stop. He does not understand that part. Why would he? He does not have to.
I respect questions like this, because they ask things I ask myself more often than many may realize. These things, make me wonder why I care so much as it is inconvient to do so.
But, I don’t think I can just shove this under the carpet. I am willing to go the full distance, and right now I am wondering what that entails.
 
All I can say is that my pets have brought more joy to my life than just about anything else, including my own kids. (And they know it). If animals didn’t go to heaven, then I wouldn’t want to be there either. :o
 
petsr4ever said:
All I can say is that my pets have brought more joy to my life than just about anything else, including my own kids. (And they know it). If animals didn’t go to heaven, then I wouldn’t want to be there either. :o
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Does what you want count?
I don’t want to think about things based on my desires and my wants.
 
StrawberryJam said:
I can not speak for anyone but for myself. If I have barrier to the power of faith, I must have been born with it. I have given God the trial period about the very same time of my first posting here and the many Masses and deep introspection of claims. I do have a very excellent priest who is a helping hand during this time.
He has not come out and said outright that there is no chance after this time. He has been so patient and asks forward questions.
Last week, I felt a sense that he is starting to worry about me in a way I never felt before.
He is worrying that I am not taking enough of a step back from thinking this out.
In other words, I need to take time to stop and just let myself relax and not consider these things for a time.
As much as I love him, and I do- I can not stop. He does not understand that part. Why would he? He does not have to.
I respect questions like this, because they ask things I ask myself more often than many may realize. These things, make me wonder why I care so much as it is inconvient to do so.
But, I don’t think I can just shove this under the carpet. I am willing to go the full distance, and right now I am wondering what that entails.
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I can see that you’re in good hands. Listen to your priest, after all, he is a stand in for Jesus. And remember that Jesus likened Himself to a shepherd who cares for His sheep no matter what the danger. You won’t stray too far off the path because He’ll be there to guide you back. Just relax and let the Lord show you in His time what He has in mind for you.
 
petsr4ever said:
All I can say is that my pets have brought more joy to my life than just about anything else, including my own kids. (And they know it). If animals didn’t go to heaven, then I wouldn’t want to be there either. :o
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A priest once answered a young boy’s question about pets in heaven by telling him that in heaven he will be perfectly happy, and if he needs his pet there to make him happy, then the pet will be there.
 
Religion? What do you mean exactly? Can & do they praise God? According to the bible, all creation praises God. Are they cared for by God? According to the Bible, the birds of the air are fed & clothed by God. If you mean, can they give & receive Love. Any dog owner will gladly tell you of a dog’s unconditional love. (by the way, God is Love). Can they sin? I met some dangerously vicious dogs and awfully haunty cats, could this be anger & pride? Maybe animals are reflections of ourselves. Science has discovered that we (everything solid) are all just vibrations. Energy! If this is true then physically, animals, trees, dirt and us are all part of the same energy. The Spirit is then the difference. Do animals have an eternal spirit? If animals can give & receive Love then something eternal is emitted and accepted by them. This can also happen with flora. Experiments have shown that animals & plants subjected to hate energy, die, while the giving of Love energy, they thrive. Love is God. Love is eternal. So there is the essence of God in all creation. All that is of God returns to God. So, in Truth, we are all connected to our source and that which is True will return to it’s source. That being God. God is in heaven. So…
 
petsr4ever said:
All I can say is that my pets have brought more joy to my life than just about anything else, including my own kids. (And they know it). If animals didn’t go to heaven, then I wouldn’t want to be there either. :o
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How very, very sad… for your kids.

I can’t imagine feeling second place to my mom’s pet. I have been crazy about horses since I was little. My house has horse shaped objects all over. But my kids never came second to my horses. I’d give up my horse in a heartbeat if it took one iota of my love an attention away from my kids.
 
vsedriver said:
“insufficient evidence”

Sounds like there’s ‘some’ evidence for the existence of God.
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Not any valid evidence. There’s a bunch of legends and some people who get warm and fuzzies in the pit of their stomach when they talk to god in their imaginations too hard.

The same amount of “evidence” for the Hindu gods. No valid evidence.
How much do you need to convince you of God’s existence?
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Any evidence sufficient to support the claim would be a good start.
Because God is pure spirit you can never prove God’s existence with material world science. Any evidence is enough for me.
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Imagine if someone said, “Because leprechauns are pure spirits, you can never prove their existence with material world science. Any evidence – such as anecdotes and the warm feeling I got in my stomach last week when I looked at a shamrock and asked the leprechauns for a sign – is good enough for me!”

Feel free to adopt that attitude, but don’t expect other people to do so as well.
 
vsedriver said:
God doesn’t create atheists. To be an atheist is an expression of free will. God created the person but the person chooses their relationship to God.
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So athiestis and agnostics in this example, are created by God as they are human persons.
Can scandals cause athiesm?
Not sure, just asking out loud now.
 
AntiTheist said:
Not any valid evidence. There’s a bunch of legends and some people who get warm and fuzzies in the pit of their stomach when they talk to god in their imaginations too hard.

The same amount of “evidence” for the Hindu gods. No valid evidence.

Any evidence sufficient to support the claim would be a good start.

Imagine if someone said, “Because leprechauns are pure spirits, you can never prove their existence with material world science. Any evidence – such as anecdotes and the warm feeling I got in my stomach last week when I looked at a shamrock and asked the leprechauns for a sign – is good enough for me!”

Feel free to adopt that attitude, but don’t expect other people to do so as well.
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I am not saying this to convince you that there is a God. Many speak of the beauty of this world as evidence of this. However, there is so much ugliness too, much of it created by Man. Simply, I believe God exists because God has been with me all my life. I could not have made it on my own. No - it is not about warm and fuzzy feelings, I get those when I cuddle a puppy. It is about being able to go on, about having somone a lot stronger supporting and guiding you all along. I still question many things in this world.

No one can give you evidence of God. You have to find it yourself. Goo luck in our search.

It would of course be so much easier if we had another “Parting of the Red Sea” today to convince everyone.🙂
 
vsedriver said:
How very, very sad… for your kids.

I can’t imagine feeling second place to my mom’s pet. I have been crazy about horses since I was little. My house has horse shaped objects all over. But my kids never came second to my horses. I’d give up my horse in a heartbeat if it took one iota of my love an attention away from my kids.
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Let me tell you something. I have two grown daughters. When they were still children I raised them well and they never went without. I never put ANYTHING before my kids. Not pets, not anything. Now that they are grown and on their own, and have sometimes had the nerve to insinuate that I spend too much money on my animals (and can’t always lend them what they ask for), I tell them yes, the pets are my kids now. And although it may sound cruel, I want them to realize that mom has a life of her own now and there is nothing wrong with that. Of course I would (and don’t) ever turn them down if they really needed my help. But there was a time when they took advantage of me and I finally had to put a stop to it. No, I don’t really love my pets more than my kids. But I do love them and they are an important part of my life. And there is nothing wrong with that.
 
petsr4ever said:
Let me tell you something. I have two grown daughters. When they were still children I raised them well and they never went without. I never put ANYTHING before my kids. Not pets, not anything. Now that they are grown and on their own, and have sometimes had the nerve to insinuate that I spend too much money on my animals (and can’t always lend them what they ask for), I tell them yes, the pets are my kids now. And although it may sound cruel, I want them to realize that mom has a life of her own now and there is nothing wrong with that. Of course I would (and don’t) ever turn them down if they really needed my help. But there was a time when they took advantage of me and I finally had to put a stop to it. No, I don’t really love my pets more than my kids. But I do love them and they are an important part of my life. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Yes, there is thing wrong with that. It is not mutually exclusive. You can love your human kids and your animals too.
 
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