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EvangelCatholic
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I have not argued the points you are making. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else.
Do any Protestant communities have valid Apostolic Succession?
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PRmerger
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You have argued that celibacy contributes to pedophilia, yes?
Are these not your words?
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EvangelCatholic
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Where do I mention pedophilia?
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Ah, I see now where your misapprehension lies. You seem to be mistakenly applying the words of erroneous men to the words of the Magisterium.
Let me assure you that this is not how the Church operates.
There are a few men in the Church who declare that women should be ordained.
It would be an ignorant man who concludes, “Oh, so the Church is now teaching that it supports women’s ordination!”
If you could provide a Magisterial document that supports slavery, then we could discuss further!
The Canon of Hippolytus?? Really?
Surely you’re not referring to this one, whose authorship is unknown.
Because that would, naturally, be a ludicrous source, no?
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EvangelCatholic
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I was merely pointing out that celibacy comes with a big price. The natural human longing for physical affection can be extremely difficult to reconcile for those committed to celibacy.
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aidanbradypop
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See I have kept silent on this but it is just starting to no longer make sense.
What of the person that never gets married and is not in an Order? Are they not to remain celibate? Can they give in to their desire for physical affection and commit adultry? Lets be real now please. Every man that answer the calling from God knows that the priesthood takes a vow of celibacy. It is not a big secret they keep from them and then later tell them after they are ordained.
How can priest totally give himself to Christ and Church while also totally giving himself up for his family? That is why we have the Diaconate.
I was not called to the priesthood but rather the Diaconate.All the priest I have ever spoken with enjoy the vow they took.
We are so off topic lol
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PRmerger
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Fair enough.
So it appears that you are saying that it’s better for celibate priests to be able to express this natural desire physical affection(i.e. sex) by being married.
So then the logical, consistent argument that would follow is this: It is a human desire for polyamorous relationships. Most people do not naturally wish to have sex with only one person. There is a natural desire to have sex with lots of people.
Do you think that the Church should dismiss the requirement for couples to be monogamous, since it is natural to want to spread the love, so to speak?
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Self control for both the celebate and the married.
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PRmerger
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I could so go for some sister wives…well unless they are all mean on the same day.
If the wife ain’t happy, ain’t no one happy. Keep them happy and they won’t be mean.
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aidanbradypop
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The show SisterWives is my guilty pleasure. I just laugh and laugh because there is nooooooooooooooo way I could ever handle that.
If the wife ain’t happy, ain’t no one happy. Keep them happy and they won’t be mean.
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MaryT777
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This most certainly is true!Egg-zactly!
That’s the Catholic position!
An extra perspective of priestly celibacy.
I am a pastor’s son. I may not agree with the discipline of priestly celibacy, I do understand it. My father loved us dearly, but it was often the time he was not home - church meetings, visiting shut-ins. It was a good sized parish in a downtown area, so the demographics skewed older.
A pastor clearly is a “Father” figure in his parish.
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I am a pastor’s son. I may not agree with the discipline of priestly celibacy, I do understand it. My father loved us dearly, but it was often the time he was not home - church meetings, visiting shut-ins. It was a good sized parish in a downtown area, so the demographics skewed older.
A pastor clearly is a “Father” figure in his parish.
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Ain’t it the truth? I remember when my family was all set to take a much-needed vacation. Five-year old me was already buckled in the car seat when the phone rang in the house. Mom told Dad not to answer, but… we didn’t go on vacation that week. Instead, dad prayed with a grieving family, conducted a funeral, and invited two foster children into our home (Mom and Dad have fostered 70+ children over the years). But even given the sacrifices that Dad (and we) have made over the years, no one in our family ever wished for him to do anything other than what God called him to do. Instead, he gave us a solid example of Christian charity to follow.
On one hand, we “pastor’s kids” certainly understand -first hand- the wisdom in priestly celibacy. But on the other hand, the practice deprives priests and their potential families from some very special moments in life. I am thankful that my church does not require the discipline. My father would not have been able to teach, help or serve as spiritual father to so many. Oh, and I wouldn’t be here!
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It seems no matter the vocation; priestly celibacy or married clergy there is a sacrifice to be made. Also I imagine the wives of pastors also sacrifice as well. There is a lot of focus on a Pastor and his family a Pastor wife shared and sometimes it seems like a “fishbowl” existence where everyone is "looking at " what you and your family including children do.
I have hard some also talk about PK"s Pastors’ kids and the pressure sometimes they feel to be “perfect” as examples of the ministry of their Father or Mother for those who
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All true, but it comes with the calling.Ain’t it the truth? I remember when my family was all set to take a much-needed vacation. Five-year old me was already buckled in the car seat when the phone rang in the house. Mom told Dad not to answer, but… we didn’t go on vacation that week. Instead, dad prayed with a grieving family, conducted a funeral, and invited two foster children into our home (Mom and Dad have fostered 70+ children over the years). But even given the sacrifices that Dad (and we) have made over the years, no one in our family ever wished for him to do anything other than what God called him to do. Instead, he gave us a solid example of Christian charity to follow.
On one hand, we “pastor’s kids” certainly understand -first hand- the wisdom in priestly celibacy. But on the other hand, the practice deprives priests and their potential families from some very special moments in life. I am thankful that my church does not require the discipline. My father would not have been able to teach, help or serve as spiritual father to so many. Oh, and I wouldn’t be here!
A Marine that signs up for duty knows that he/she could be called to war at anytime. Now if they are anti war then that would cause an issue. They know what they are signing up for and the same with priest.
Thanks, Don.Ain’t it the truth? I remember when my family was all set to take a much-needed vacation. Five-year old me was already buckled in the car seat when the phone rang in the house. Mom told Dad not to answer, but… we didn’t go on vacation that week. Instead, dad prayed with a grieving family, conducted a funeral, and invited two foster children into our home (Mom and Dad have fostered 70+ children over the years). But even given the sacrifices that Dad (and we) have made over the years, no one in our family ever wished for him to do anything other than what God called him to do. Instead, he gave us a solid example of Christian charity to follow.
On one hand, we “pastor’s kids” certainly understand -first hand- the wisdom in priestly celibacy. But on the other hand, the practice deprives priests and their potential families from some very special moments in life. I am thankful that my church does not require the discipline. My father would not have been able to teach, help or serve as spiritual father to so many. Oh, and I wouldn’t be here!
I failed to mention that I would not change a thing. My dad was the most important man in my life - spiritual guide, dad, friend. I miss him dearly.
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lol, Mary. You are so right. I should have mentioned the burden that a pastor’s wife bears. And as a PK, my biggest burden was in Catechetical Class, all my friends whispering, “Jon, answer your dad’s question”.
BTW, my daughter is a Lutheran school teacher in her mid twenties. She has NO interest in becoming a pastor’s wife.
Jon
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