Do any Protestant denominations claim to be infallible interpreters of Holy Scripture?

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Traveller1534 said:
The sad part of all of this is that you are plenty smart enough to know that you are being misled but too deep into it to admit it to yourself. You cannot change the truth. A pope cannot speak in excathedra and it changes something that was not truth into something that is. Purely illogical. I was Catholic for 34 years, believe me I have had plenty of time and opportunity to know fact from fantasy.
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Now that you are Anglican, do you feel it safe to say that all lifelong Anglicans - especially those 34 years or older - are well rooted in Anglican theologies, understand the 39 Articles & first seven Ecumenical Councils, and are possesed of an ability to well explain them?

Please don’t come here and - having abjured the Catholic Faith - explain Catholocism to those of us that practice it on the merits and authority of your “having been Catholic for 34 years”.
 
Traveller1534 said:
Immaculate conception. If you believed in it before it was dogma, you were a heretic and if you didn’t believe in it after it was proclaimed as dogma, you would also be considered a heretic.
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Bull droppings.

Please point to the condemnation of folks who believed in the IC before 1854 as heretics. One credible source. That’s all I ask.
 
Traveller1534 said:
The sad part of all of this is that you are plenty smart enough to know that you are being misled but too deep into it to admit it to yourself. You cannot change the truth. A pope cannot speak in excathedra and it changes something that was not truth into something that is. Purely illogical. I was Catholic for 34 years, believe me I have had plenty of time and opportunity to know fact from fantasy.
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No.
The best way to paraphrase:
For 34 years you did not know the Catholic things you should have known by heart by then. Now you still don’t. But argue about it.
 
Hi Catholic Folks

Maybe it is best to slowly explain what Catholicism from the basic in order to minister Traveller1534. Do show what God’s have given each and everyone of you the patient and the compassion of heart to bring Traveller back to CC if you’re have the best interest for him/her and not entirely telling him/her off for not knowing anything or igorance to the dogma…blar…blar…It’s even pull him/her away from the CC…you get what i mean…
 
Lampo said:
If not, isn’t your denomination, right off the bat, admitting it could be wrong in its interpretation of Holy Scripture?
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…and admitting that it is capable of error in its interpretation of Holy Scripture is somehow a bad thing?

Then answer this. Is your doctor capable of medical errors? If so, why do you go to him?
 
happygal said:
Hi Catholic Folks

Maybe it is best to slowly explain what Catholicism from the basic in order to minister Traveller1534. Do show what God’s have given each and everyone of you the patient and the compassion of heart to bring Traveller back to CC if you’re have the best interest for him/her and not entirely telling him/her off for not knowing anything or igorance to the dogma…blar…blar…It’s even pull him/her away from the CC…you get what i mean…
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Traveler is a him.

And I am agreed that we should, as Catholics do our best to win people back to the CC rather than just attempt to win a debate…

But there is no debate or discussion here - I am seeing a pattern of "popping up, popping off a few rounds, and disappearing.

If Traveler wants to chat a bit or discuss some issues in a serious way, lets do it. If he haunts the CA forums just to point out how glad he is he is not Catholic any longer and point out how wrong we are on this that or the other thing… I am not interested.
 
Never was it known that I ever approached any Protestant church and was told, “Maybe we’re right, maybe we’re wrong, but we’re nice people who read the Bible. Come and join us and help us try to figure out what the Bible means.”

Every Protestant denom and every Protestant claims infallibility, but they don’t use the term. Right after they read you the verse about ‘the truth will set you free,’ they proceed to tell you what the ‘truth’ is. It’s their own interpretation of the Bible that disagrees with every other denom! 😛
 
Katholikos said:
Every Protestant denom and every Protestant claims infallibility, but they don’t use the term.
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That’s just plain silly.
Right after they read you the verse about ‘the truth will set you free,’ they proceed to tell you what the ‘truth’ is. It’s their own interpretation of the Bible that disagrees with every other denom! 😛
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Being right is not the same thing as being infallible! The problem I have with infallibility is with the idea that there is a system that ensures that the Church will always be right. Of course every church is going to claim that its doctrines are true. That is not infallibility.

There are two related admissions, neither of which Catholics can make:
  1. We might have been wrong
  2. We might be wrong
All Protestants make the first admission, which is why “infallibility” is the wrong term to use even about the most dogmatic Protestants (such as the LCMS). You can say that their doctrinal statements and past decisions are infallible in the sense that they are no longer questioned, but they do not believe that their church per se is infallible. Furthermore, many–probably most–Protestants today would also make the second admission. They do not claim to be 100% certain about all their doctrinal claims. I certainly am not.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Well, either your opportunities were not that great or you didn’t take advantage of them. Because you don’t understand the issue at all. Defining a dogma does not change falsehood into truth–it brings greater clarity on what is and is not true. Did the First Council of Nicea change falsehood into truth when they defined that Jesus was “homoousios” with the Father, even though that term had been associated with heresy previously and many people opposed it for reasonable and orthodox reasons?

Ex cathedra papal infallibility is wrong because it places ultimate authority in one particular office within the Church rather than in the Church as a whole. It has nothing to do with your spuriously “logical” argument.

Edwin
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The teaching authority of a visible society resides, not in its individual members, but in its visible head. The subject of that authority, therefore, is first the visible head of the Church, the Pope, and secondly, the hierarchy of bishops under the head and considered as forming one with him. The teaching of the Church is to be accepted by her members, not as a matter of discussion, but as the word of God himself; for through that living voice it is Christ himself who speaks. To the insistent questionings of man: Where do I come from, what is my nature, where do I go? the Church returns unhesitating and infallible answer. Of the law of God, concerning which man is so often in doubt, the Church is the authentic interpreter, the unequivocal teacher. It is necessary that she should be infallible in her teaching as it is impossible that Christ himself, the Word of God, should err; for the Church is none other than Christ the Prophet, living and teaching in his mystical body.
 
happygal said:
Hi Catholic Folks

Maybe it is best to slowly explain what Catholicism from the basic in order to minister Traveller1534. Do show what God’s have given each and everyone of you the patient and the compassion of heart to bring Traveller back to CC if you’re have the best interest for him/her and not entirely telling him/her off for not knowing anything or igorance to the dogma…blar…blar…It’s even pull him/her away from the CC…you get what i mean…
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Just FYI, please do not waste your time and efforts in attempting to bring me back into the Catholic church. Although I do share probably 80-90% of your beliefs, I found the real presence of God in the church where I am now and if I went back to the Catholic faith, I and my family would more than likely stop attending church at some point. Thank you kindly but really, no thanks…
 
I can understand folks taking exception to the “faith” part of what the Catholic Church teaches. If you doubt what the Church teaches, you ain’t Catholic.

So be it.

Does anyone have a problem with the “morals” taught by the Catholic Church?

If so, which teachings in particular are a problem for you?

Don’t be shy, step right up. This is where the rubber meets the road.
 
Traveller1534 said:
Just FYI, please do not waste your time and efforts in attempting to bring me back into the Catholic church. Although I do share probably 80-90% of your beliefs, I found the real presence of God in the church where I am now and if I went back to the Catholic faith, I and my family would more than likely stop attending church at some point. Thank you kindly but really, no thanks…
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**Hi Traveller1534

Don’t worry, i am just telling those Catholic who wanted to bring you back to CC to be more patient with you and furthermore i aim a Catholic:D **
 
mark_a said:
I can understand folks taking exception to the “faith” part of what the Catholic Church teaches. If you doubt what the Church teaches, you ain’t Catholic.

So be it.

Does anyone have a problem with the “morals” taught by the Catholic Church?

If so, which teachings in particular are a problem for you?

Don’t be shy, step right up. This is where the rubber meets the road.
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**Hi Mark

As a protestant i’m fine Catholic’s teaching ok, no problem.
But it is the pple who practise it make me sick, not entirely charitable and polish with their words. **
 
Traveller1534 said:
Just FYI, please do not waste your time and efforts in attempting to bring me back into the Catholic church. Although I do share probably 80-90% of your beliefs, I found the real presence of God in the church where I am now and if I went back to the Catholic faith, I and my family would more than likely stop attending church at some point. Thank you kindly but really, no thanks…
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Now that you have shown up for 81 posts decrying how self-righteous the CC is, how ill informed her believers are, and how you have transcended such errors in

So I re-iterate…
ASimpleSinner said:
Traveller - some basic netiquette dictates it is time to stand up or stand down.

In the scant 15 posts you have merrily spread accross CAF you have mostly written a sentence or two or three as to why you are NOT Catholic with gems like:

***Why does the Roman Catholic church really lack that zeal for fellowship and out reach?
***If faith alone were not true, then how could a man who sinned graveously his entire life be saved just breaths before death by our one and true savior himself? Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise, not if you say a set number of Hail Mary’s and such maybe you will make it through purgatory. ***

***There are many reasons why I left Catholicism and social behavior is just merely one of the smaller reasons. True tradition and doctrine would be two much larger ones.
I’m really sorry that you look at it that way. If you really and truly believe that God wishes you to be guilt ridden your entire life, than I think unfortunately you have missed the boat.

My favorite barb being the most recent:

I left the church when I realized that the truth cannot possibly remain to be the truth over time if you apply 100% Catholic logic to it. It is impossible!

And it makes it all the harder to see this comment as ANYTHING by disingenuous:

*** Very sad that we can’t consider each other at least somewhat in focus together.***

Traveler, if you want to discuss the Catholic Faith here great. If you want to discuss questions you had over matters that lead you to leave, very good. If you want to get a feel for Catholic sensibilities on certain matters beyond your parochial world-view of your individual experience, wonderful.

If you don’t share Catholic views - we can live with that. If you disagree with us and play nicely, that is spectacular - there is room for that. If you want to post thoughtful posts that are a little longer than three-sentences and have a back and forth dialogue rather than make broad claims like “the truth cannot possibly remain to be the truth over time if you apply 100% Catholic logic to it. It is impossible!”, well let’s talk.

But to pop in and out of threads it begs the question:

Are you hear to discuss difference, and ask questions, or to troll the forum with snide comments about how Catholocism got this that and the other thing wrong, and after 34 years you saw the light and became an Anglican?

What are you here to do?
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happygal said:
Hi Mark

As a protestant i’m fine Catholic’s teaching ok, no problem.
**But it is the pple who practise it make me sick, not entirely charitable and polish with their words. **
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Hello,
Christians can be terrible. I know I have my own problems.

Being “fine” with Catholic teaching is of course, not the same as following the teachings.
 
mark_a said:
Hello,
Christians can be terrible. I know I have my own problems.

Being “fine” with Catholic teaching is of course, not the same as following the teachings.
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**Being “fine” with Catholic teaching is as good as able to accept all its teaching my dear, if you are not OK with the teaching then how would you follow it…😃 **
 
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Traveller1534:
The sad part of all of this is that you are plenty smart enough to know that you are being misled but too deep into it to admit it to yourself.
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And you know this how? Oh! You don’t know this! Where did I get the impression that you knew this? Oh! From you!
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Traveller1534:
You cannot change the truth.
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I believe that was the point. Thank you for making it again. The truth was not changed. It was merely clarified.
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Traveller1534:
A pope cannot speak in excathedra
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And you know this how? Oh! Sheesh, you don’t know it. It’s just your…

…opinion. :juggle:
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Traveller1534:
and it changes something that was not truth into something that is. Purely illogical.
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The way you have misinterpreted it, it is certainly illogical.
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Traveller1534:
I was Catholic for 34 years
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What are we to take away from hearing that? That you know what the Church teaches? It is evident from your posts that you do not know what the Church teaches. Doesn’t matter if you were in the Church for 90 years or for a day and a half.
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Traveller1534:
believe me I have had plenty of time and opportunity to know fact from fantasy.
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Then you have no excuse for posting fantasy as fact.
 
Protestants don’t claim to be infallible themselves. Nonetheless, they do possess a psychology of infallibility which centers on their worship of the Bible. They think the Bible ***IS ***God, which it isn’t, obviously. Meanwhile, some Catholics erroneously consider the Catholic Church to be God, which it isn’t, obviously. Reason, an invaluable gift from God, is the key to keeping things in perspective. 👋
 
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