Do Any Protestants Believe In The Eucharistic Miracles?

[christcnection1]

Any non-Catholics here believe in these Miracles? If you have and even if you don’t, I’d love to share some true and documented stories of them. I have some wonderful stories, then you decide…

If I were a Non-Catholic Christian, I would conclude that Eucharistic miracles were either A. Of Demonic Origin or B. Hoaxes. This would also include all Marian apparitions and other “Catholic” miracles.

Either perspective makes the Catholic Church look very sinister and diabolic. Hence, it’s understandable why many Non-Catholics look at our faith with great fear and suspicion. These were the feelings I wrestled with during my during “home.”

Although my friends’ miracles have not been approved by the Church, I know of several individuals who have experienced these types of events. I can assure you they happen. These brothers and sisters are on fire for Christ and leading souls to Him!

 

[DJgang]

Hmm, I’m an unsure how to fully answer the question this proposes. I’m guessing I do? I’m not sure.

The absence of the Eucharist in (most) Protestant churches has always surprised me due to it’s strong Biblical nature. As a matter of fact, I find it difficult to comprehend people who don’t “believe in it” despite adhering to Sola Scripture.

This is one aspect that is currently leading me to join the Anglican church as opposed to the Baptist church.

Hi there! Make a pit stop at the Anglican church if need be but I think you will end up Catholic.

God bless you … (and I ought to know what’s going to happen to ya…I made that pit stop as well)

Praying for you! Dana

 

[JonNC]

If I were a Non-Catholic Christian, I would conclude that Eucharistic miracles were either A. Of Demonic Origin or B. Hoaxes. This would also include all Marian apparitions and other “Catholic” miracles.

Either perspective makes the Catholic Church look very sinister and diabolic. Hence, it’s understandable why many Non-Catholics look at our faith with great fear and suspicion. These were the feelings I wrestled with during my during “home.”

I may not be typical, but I don’t look at Eucharistic miracles in either light. But I would say that if the focus is not on the primary purpose of the Eucharist as Christ instituted it - that we eat and drink - then miracles and even adoration become a concern for me.

Jon

 

[Gatell]

I’ve read many stories regarding Eucharistic miracles. While I take them with a grain of salt I would never dismiss GOD’s will to reach us in any way HE chooses.

But I’m very guarded with many of these so called miracles and the actual validity. I recall a church that reported Christ’s presence in a statue. At certain times the statue cried and foamed at the mouth. Catholics from all over were coming to see this great miracle and donating money to the church. As it turns out the Priest(s) were operating a mechanical statue from behind.

If Christ is present in the bread and wine it’s not because a Priest stands on an altar and calls the power of the Holy Spirit to do so whereby upon completion a bell is rung. I believe and will always believe that Christ responds to our Faith. True Faith and prayer leads to the Lord’s intervention in our lives.

PEACE

Hello:

I as well am very guarded when I hear of all these miracles. Miracles can very often, as you stated, be tricks. The damage to faith could be huge in those cases.

However, your last paragraph exemplifies one of the major differences between Catholics and other Christian faiths.

The presence is real regardless of the human part. Faith is not what enacts the transformation. It is the authority of the priest to call upon the Holy Spirit, his office is more important than his personal faith. Even if the priest is a fake, his part in the Mass cannot tarnish the miracle of the Eucharist.

I recall a Columbian priest that wrote about a vision he had about the Mass. He described how every empty seat in the church was occupied by an angel, for they realize the miracle and the awesome gift that is being offered to man. This miracle that has occurred without interruption since the resurrection of Christ.

After reading that, I could never again see an empty seat at church without wondering the name of the angel it occupied.

The authority of the Catholic priest and the unbroken apostolic lineage that is historic, gives us a very solid basis for our faith. However, the Church lives, and the Eucharistic miracle continues, inspite and without permission from our faith.

God Bless,

Victor

 

[Reuben_J]

Ah, there is so much that can be said about the miracles of the Eucharist. In itself (transubstantiation) is already a miracle thus every time the mass is being celebrated we witness a miracle of the highest order happening. This also speaks about the necessity of ordained ministers, the priests, who only can preside over the celebration, not in his personal capacity but for the fact that he is the successor to the apostles.

One of the redemption aspects of the mass is Calvary, the once and for all sacrifice, enacted all over again. Where there is Calvary people are saved. Masses are being said in Saudi Arabia secretly by visiting priests with Western armies, and when they are done, unbelieving Muslim lands are cleansed and purified by the Blood of the Lamb. Thus even in hostile foreign countries Christians are liberated spiritually from the evil of sacrileges and unbelief by the grace of the Eucharist.

It’s such beautiful scene in which angels participate and anticipate the miracle of the mass. This can explain the cleansing power of the mass in unbelieving hostile foreign land. Of course the mass can also be said in any house warming, opening of new buildings and habitation of new land.

The grace the mass encompasses other than the major personal fidelity of receiving the Sacrament is really awesome.

 

[grannymh]

To Protestants, Catholics and everyone else…

For great information on Eucharistic miracles, plus people associated with Eucharistic miracles including Teresa Neumann of Germany and the atheist writer Andre Frossard go to
www.TheRealPresence.org

You will find pictures, history, documentation, explanations, you name it.

One must always remember that the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist is the greatest, unique, and incomparable “Miracle” beyond the realm of human sensory experience.

Today, Eucharistic miracles are meant to rekindle Eucharistic amazement!

I’ve been doing some writing, for example, how to explain Eucharistic miracles to Catholics and I will be glad to share information. I can adapt my approach for those who do not believe in the Real Presence but who would like to know about the miracles. I love responding to anyone who is curious.

To make everyone comfortable with this topic. Catholics are not obliged to believe in Eucharistic miracles. Catholics ARE obliged to believe that Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, is substantially present in the Eucharist.

I’m new so not totally sure how everrything works. But I think you can send a message to me by clicking something in the public profile.

Blessings,
grannymh

 

[grannymh]

Any non-Catholics here believe in these Miracles? If you have and even if you don’t, I’d love to share some true and documented stories of them. I have some wonderful stories, then you decide…

Dear OneTrueCathApos,

Your choice of the miracle at Lanciano is the best in my mind. Siena, Italy 1730 is my second favorite. I have been to both places.

It is wonderful of you to share the stories of the miracles.
Please continue to share them on this Forum. Giving them your personal touch is a great witness. Just using the word “wonderful” says volumes.

One clarification which may have been made in an earlier post.
What happened at Lanciano and other places are considered extraordinary phenomenon or miraculous signs. These are called Eucharistic miracles because they involve the bread and wine after they have been consecrated during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Your posts are sincerely appreciated.

Blessings,
grannymh

 

[Ruthie]

But am I the only non Catholic who feels very queasy and grossed out and/or freaked out when reading this? I am not kidding btw, I am sincere. I had never even heard of such a thing until seeing it here, earlier this year.

I’m assuming you mean the Host becoming flesh, rather than the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist…

It grossed me out, too, when I first read about it - which was during RCIA. I had trouble with the concept of the Real Presence, and someone suggested a book to me about Eucharistic miracles.

Even though it grossed me out, it still helped me. It is so obviously Jesus saying, “You can’t believe that I am in this Host? Well, HERE I AM.”

To God be the glory!

Ruthie

P.S. I don’t think anyone actually *ate *these miraculous Hosts!

 

[Auriel]

I’m assuming you mean the Host becoming flesh, rather than the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist…

It grossed me out, too, when I first read about it - which was during RCIA. I had trouble with the concept of the Real Presence, and someone suggested a book to me about Eucharistic miracles.

Even though it grossed me out, it still helped me. It is so obviously Jesus saying, “You can’t believe that I am in this Host? Well, HERE I AM.”

To God be the glory!

Ruthie

P.S. I don’t think anyone actually *ate *these miraculous Hosts!

Yes, I thought that was clear, guess not? I have a ton of doctors and nurses as well in my family, and when I hear that they found striated tissue from the myocardium, it just totally grossed me out.

Glad to hear no one ate it.

 

[grannymh]

Dear Friends,

The computer just ate my post and I need to head out to church.

Briefly, I understand the above replies regarding “gross???”

Much later I will try to put these extraordinary phenomenon into context. Not so much to convince you, but rather to show why these historical events are important for current spiritualiy–in any faith.

Do hope this thread will continue. Hope there will be more of the following questions, who, how, what, when, where, why and cost. Plus answers…

Your feelings and your personal experiences are important to this thread.

We may share different beliefs or have different shades of the same belief, but what unites us is that we know that there is a spiritual side to human nature.

Blessings,
grannymh

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Hmm, I’m an unsure how to fully answer the question this proposes. I’m guessing I do? I’m not sure.

The absence of the Eucharist in (most) Protestant churches has always surprised me due to it’s strong Biblical nature. As a matter of fact, I find it difficult to comprehend people who don’t “believe in it” despite adhering to Sola Scripture.

This is one aspect that is currently leading me to join the Anglican church as opposed to the Baptist church.

Hey Jesse,

Just to echo some other folks, I hope you open your heart and mind toward a willingness to join the Roman Catholic Church. I was Anglican for many years and I really must tell you that if you are looking for the Eucharist, it is in the Catholic Church. The Anglicans had a Calvinistic view of this sublime sacrament for hundreds of years. Read the Book of Common Prayer’s 39 Articles and you’ll see Cranmer’s views on the Host were spiritual and Calvinist, opposed to the real presence teachings of Luther and Catholicism of the day. It wasn’t until hundreds of years later that the Anglican church “went Catholic” and started moving more toward Rome. You’ll see that Anglicanism in the Book of Common Prayer banned reserving the Sacrament in a tabernacle, they would not elevate the Host, would not adore It, etc. Especially after the Oxford Movement it became more en vogue to do those things. I encourage you to read about the history of Anglican ‘apostolic succession’ and you might just find they don’t have the legitimacy as a priestly body to consecrate it. Blessings on your journey!! Hope you land in Rome!!

 

[Ceil-1]

If they are going to serve the Precious Blood, the priest (and only the priest) should serve it by intinction: dipping the Host into the Precious Blood, and placing it on the tongue.

The Eastern Rite serves it that way, only they use a hunk of real bread, on a golden spoon. The modern way is more efficient, but I like the old way best.

Some of the miracles cannot be denied, as the one associated with Longinus. I know people who have seen it. It has been tested and found to be cardiac tissue. There is no concieveable reason to fake it for 800+ years, any more than the incorruptibles, even if that were possible.

Hisalone, I believe in Hindu and Buddhist, and even Muslim miracles. Some miracles, especially that of physical healings, apparitions, or mainfestations can be of the devil. Others are gifts from the Holy Spirit who is very generous when and where He wants to be.

I think the devil uses many of these things to ruin our faith, as it has obviously done to some posters. This is why God does so few of them, and only for the faithful, as He did when He was here.

Just my opinion, as if anyone cared.

 

[4given]

Any non-Catholics here believe in these Miracles? If you have and even if you don’t, I’d love to share some true and documented stories of them. I have some wonderful stories, then you decide…

All I’ll say is I don’t deny these events happening but I believe they’re a deception since I do not believe in the Catholic Eucharist, i.e. I don’t believe in transubstantiation.

 

[grannymh]

All I’ll say is I don’t deny these events happening but I believe they’re a deception since I do not believe in the Catholic Eucharist, i.e. I don’t believe in transubstantiation.

Good comment.

I’m in the midst of researching Eucharistic Miracles which are part of the “Vatican International Exhibition, the Eucharistic Miracles of the World.” These include ones recognized by the local bishop. Some were recognized by Popes. Note: this was not an infallible recognition. Catholics are not obliged to believe in these. They are obliged to believe that Jesus is substantially present in the Eucharist as you said above.

May I respond to your belief that they’re a deception. Given the circumstances in which Eucharistic miracles occurred, I don’t see a reason for definite deception. Being skeptical myself, I do see a real possibility that in some cases, there could be exaggeration in the accounts of the witnesses and I’ve eliminated these from my research.

Personally, I believe that some of these Eucharistic miracles can be of benefit to those who do not believe in transubstantiation but do believe that Jesus Christ is truly God. I base this on the comments from experts who have examined these miracles. Their reports boil down to their observation that the laws of nature have been reversed. Or in other words, this extraordinary phenomenon (science language for miracle) cannot be adequately explained by scientific guidelines.

Aha, says the Christian. It is Jesus (because of the connection to the “bread of life” gospel) Who is telling us (through this phenomenon) that we should look beyond our human sensory experiences to see Him, truly present in our lives.

Jesus often reversed the laws of nature, the blind seeing, the lame walking etc., during His time on earth in order to demonstrate His divinity. More often He performed miracles out of love for the individual. Apparently, He continues to demonstrate His divine power in the centuries following His triumph over death. He continues to love us and understand our individual needs.

It’s as if Jesus is saying (with an Eucharistic miracle) that He is beyond the confines of science. His words are words of eternal life.

This is a suggestion for those who do not believe or who are trying to believe in the substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Think about or meditate on these extraordinary events as a way of Jesus asking us to leave the material, scientifically driven world behind. To go beyond physical appearances and unite ourselves to our loving Lord.

This is a suggestion for those who do believe in the substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Follow the above suggestion.

Thank you for listening to me. I welcome your reactions.
I know I said I would reply to an earlier post, I will do so eventually.

Blessings,
grannymh

 

[grannymh]

If they are going to serve the Precious Blood, the priest (and only the priest) should serve it by intinction: dipping the Host into the Precious Blood, and placing it on the tongue.

The Eastern Rite serves it that way, only they use a hunk of real bread, on a golden spoon. The modern way is more efficient, but I like the old way best.

Some of the miracles cannot be denied, as the one associated with Longinus. I know people who have seen it. It has been tested and found to be cardiac tissue. There is no concieveable reason to fake it for 800+ years, any more than the incorruptibles, even if that were possible.

Hisalone, I believe in Hindu and Buddhist, and even Muslim miracles. Some miracles, especially that of physical healings, apparitions, or mainfestations can be of the devil. Others are gifts from the Holy Spirit who is very generous when and where He wants to be.

I think the devil uses many of these things to ruin our faith, as it has obviously done to some posters. This is why God does so few of them, and only for the faithful, as He did when He was here.

Just my opinion, as if anyone cared.

I care

 

[4given]

Good comment.

I’m in the midst of researching Eucharistic Miracles which are part of the “Vatican International Exhibition, the Eucharistic Miracles of the World.” These include ones recognized by the local bishop. Some were recognized by Popes. Note: this was not an infallible recognition. Catholics are not obliged to believe in these. They are obliged to believe that Jesus is substantially present in the Eucharist as you said above.

May I respond to your belief that they’re a deception. Given the circumstances in which Eucharistic miracles occurred, I don’t see a reason for definite deception. Being skeptical myself, I do see a real possibility that in some cases, there could be exaggeration in the accounts of the witnesses and I’ve eliminated these from my research.

Personally, I believe that some of these Eucharistic miracles can be of benefit to those who do not believe in transubstantiation but do believe that Jesus Christ is truly God. I base this on the comments from experts who have examined these miracles. Their reports boil down to their observation that the laws of nature have been reversed. Or in other words, this extraordinary phenomenon (science language for miracle) cannot be adequately explained by scientific guidelines.

Aha, says the Christian. It is Jesus (because of the connection to the “bread of life” gospel) Who is telling us (through this phenomenon) that we should look beyond our human sensory experiences to see Him, truly present in our lives.

Jesus often reversed the laws of nature, the blind seeing, the lame walking etc., during His time on earth in order to demonstrate His divinity. More often He performed miracles out of love for the individual. Apparently, He continues to demonstrate His divine power in the centuries following His triumph over death. He continues to love us and understand our individual needs.

It’s as if Jesus is saying (with an Eucharistic miracle) that He is beyond the confines of science. His words are words of eternal life.

This is a suggestion for those who do not believe or who are trying to believe in the substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Think about or meditate on these extraordinary events as a way of Jesus asking us to leave the material, scientifically driven world behind. To go beyond physical appearances and unite ourselves to our loving Lord.

This is a suggestion for those who do believe in the substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Follow the above suggestion.

Thank you for listening to me. I welcome your reactions.
I know I said I would reply to an earlier post, I will do so eventually.

Blessings,
grannymh

Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not talking about them being a human deception, though some of them can be. I feel I shouldn’t say too much since, after, all I am on a Catholic board and this is the center of the Catholic religion. Maybe we could talk in a pm sometime. But I don’t plan on spending a whole lot of time on this board. It would be pointless. I haven’t been here for two years. Just came to check something out then wound up getting involved in some of these other threads. I really shouldn’t have.

 

[grannymh]

Maybe we could talk in a pm sometime. quote]

Dear 4given,

Of course we can talk in a pm. If my pm is full, it is because I’m still figuring out this forum thing… Or I am traveling without access to a computer. I think you can try e-mail…

Thank you for reminding me that deception can have different sources and thus different implications. I am interested. I will get to your New Testament quote later today.

Blessings,
grannymh

 

[4given]

4given;4520601:

Maybe we could talk in a pm sometime. quote]

Dear 4given,

Of course we can talk in a pm. If my pm is full, it is because I’m still figuring out this forum thing… Or I am traveling without access to a computer. I think you can try e-mail…

Thank you for reminding me that deception can have different sources and thus different implications. I am interested. I will get to your New Testament quote later today.

Blessings,
grannymh

I can’t even remember what Scripture I quoted now. I’m afraid my memory isn’t the greatest anymore. Medication doesn’t help.

 

[grannymh]

grannymh;4521098:

I can’t even remember what Scripture I quoted now. I’m afraid my memory isn’t the greatest anymore. Medication doesn’t help.

Dear 4given,

Regarding memory, you may join my club

Your quote is Galatians 1:6-9… Must be important.
Only thing worse than my memory is my procrastination. I will, underline will, find the quote.

Seriously, pm me any time about the Eucharistic miracle thing in the thread.

Blessings,
grannymh

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

**I can’t imagine ANYONE thinking YOUR Savior could make you sick by these stories…I just can’t imagine this. This sounds so much like a person wanting to make the Catholics look totally like we are cannibals…good grief… **

You must remember that Auriel stated that they are non-Catholic. I was raised and still am non-Catholic. The thought never, ever occurred to me that the Eucharist (Lord’s Supper in my neck of the woods) was actually the body and blood of my Lord.

You have to understand where we come from. It’s not that we don’t believe, it’s just strange to think of it this way when you’ve always thought it was symbolic. You seem to be judging their intentions when it was clear (to me) that Auriel was just being honest and didn’t imply cannibalism.

Were you ever non-Catholic? Can you understand where non-Catholics come from on this issue?

By the way, I believe in the Real Presence and it’s still a little difficult to get through my head the mystery of it.

Have some charity.

Peace…

MW