Do babies go to hell?

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Huiou Theou:
St. Augustine … in the course of the controversy he himself condemned, and persuaded the Council of Carthage (418) to condemn, the substantially identical Pelagian teaching affirming the existence of “an intermediate place, or of any place anywhere at all (ullus alicubi locus), in which children who pass out of this life unbaptized live in happiness” (Denzinger 102).
Tradition holds that Zosimus published the canons of Council of Carthage as his own making them infallable in his famous Tractoria", in which Pelagianism and its authors were condemned.

**“Thus, finally, the occupant of the Apostolic See at the right moment maintained with all authority the traditional dogma of the Church, and protected the truth of the Church against error.” (catholic Ecyclo. “Zosimus”)**That is Why Denzinger 102 under the section of Zosimus in the Denzinger
 
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NonDenom:
Hi All
How is it that the Catholic church has no clue of how long purgatory is or what even happends to the soul in purgatory, but knows that a child that dies before Baptism
will “rest in the mercy of God. They will not be able to enjoy the beatific vision”, as you put it? Both of these senarios happen after death, and the truth of the matter is the Catholic church has no clue. Purgatory is made up and baby’s don’t sin. Catholics use Matt 19:13-14 as a reason for Baptizing baby’s, then turn around and say that a baby who dies without Baptism can’t know the beatific vision of God, sounds like your KEEPING them from coming to Jesus as talked about in Matt 19.
In Him and Only Him.
You made this accusation in another thread, and I answered it there, but I’ll answer it again here for the sake of those who may have missed the other thread.

You’ll have to tell us how speculations on these matters by the Catholic theologians could possibly keep anyone from coming to Jesus. If such speculations are true, then they are simply true. The Church does not have the power to create truths, but only to tell us what it knows. If such speculations aren’t true, then we would rejoice in the salvation of unbaptized infants. So, on both counts your accusation fails.
 
Jasny,
Thank you for the quip on Zozimus. I didn’t know that part, but it fits perfectly.
Sorry, but the Church teaches Original Sin is not an analogy but is real. It is not matter but an inherited privation:
Yes, that is true, but???
Here is what I said, as quotes rather than paraphrase.
CCC 404:
And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” – a state and not an act.
St. Augustine himself makes the same statement – in Latin.

I am Sorry if there was confusion?

The council of Trent appears to recapitulate the churches teaching on original sin, too.
 
Huiou Theou:
Jasny,
Thank you for the quip on Zozimus. I didn’t know that part, but it fits perfectly…
Since your interested here is some support for the Tractoria infallability from tradition beacuse we only have fragments. But St. Augustine was VERY enthusiastic about he Tractoria plus the support below. If the Tractoria left out the part on babies St. Augustine would have been VERY upset because that was one of the main problems he was dealing with with the Pelagian heresy.

Council of Ephesus 432

Chapter 5 deals with the Zosimus tract being a teaching for the whole Church and condemnation of Pelegianism. containing the African bishops advice, i.e. Carthage. And it talks about the Bishops thanking Zosimus.

Chapter 6 again praises Zosimus for his tract teaching the whole Church.

Chapter 10 We don’t dare to treat lightly the the deeper more difficult parts…[of the Tactora]” Because Zosimus teaching is so Catholic.

Ends with: “…[W]e do not deem that to be at all Catholic which appears contrary to the views presented above.”
( DS. 134, 135, 142)

Sorry if I may have come on too strong about he aalogy thing. Now I understand you better.
 
I don’t think unbaptised babies go to Hell.

God is very merciful and He has infinite power. I think He could most certainly cleanse a baby of original sin, even if the baby was not baptised.

I think maybe the baby is cleansed in purgatory for a bit and then enters Heaven. Or maybe God immediately cleanses the baby and the baby enters Heaven right away.

To say an unbaptised baby goes to Hell is denying the mercy of God. It also turns Catholicism into a legalistic, mechanical religion that denies the mysterious ways of God.
 
I know that it has probably been discussed many times but I tried searching, albeit quickly, but can’t find a thread on this subject.

If the parents of a baby are non-practicing Catholics, and the baby passes on, where does the baby pass on to?
Because of original sin, does it go to hell?
Because of original sin and the fact that the parents are not practicing Catholics, does the baby go to hell?

I know I’m asking alot, but:
If the parents were not practicing Catholics but intended to have the baby baptised because they somehow knew it was the right thing to do or because the rest of the family pressured them, and the baby dies, where does he or she go?

I’ve heard it said that the soul is in limbo. ??? Where is limbo?
Or does the baby go to purgatory?
The correct answer is “We don’t know, we can only hope that there might be a way provided by God for their salvation, unknown to us.”
 
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