Do Baptists believe Jesus drank wine or grape juice?

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7_Sorrows said:
So you are insinuating what Jesus drank was more of a juice than a wine?
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No, I’m saying that wine was used to purify water in ancient times. Fully fermented Wine was also used to party and get drunk and celebrate.
 
From my reading a low alcohol content…even in a paste…wouldn’t prevent bacterial growth so while this may be a way to obtain a non intoxicating drink, it kind of fails, too.

I couldn’t find anything on making a wine into a paste and what the alcohol content would be, I assume the boiling of it would evaporate the alcohol as well as kill bacteria. So as long as it didn’t rapidly spoil, it would be more of a grape juice than a wine!
 
7_Sorrows said:
Tonight I was speaking with a Baptist friend long distance and I don’t remember our topic of conversation, but I said something about Jesus drinking wine and I heard her gasp. She said Jesus didn’t
drink the wine like we drink today. I think she was offended I insinuated Jesus drank wine. Do Baptists or other protestants think Jesus drank grape juice?
I was not insinuating Jesus became intoxicated, but I don’t have a problem
that Jesus drank wine. Do Baptists?
My friend says they drank a different wine
back then. I always thought wine is wine.
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Give strong drink to them that are sad: and wine to them that are grieved in mind:

Proverbs 31:6
 
So the first big miracle was turning large jars of water into grape juice? 🤔
 
Pattylt said:
I’m curious as to how they halted the fermenting process or was it just the dilutional effect of the amount of water added? Do you know?
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While there are a number of chemicals that can do that, I don’t believe that any were known in the first century. Potassium metabisulfate (camped tablet) is the more common one modernly, and even that doesn’t kill the yeast, but merely stuns it. Other common preservatives stop them from reproducing, but not fermenting.

I’m going to need to see a clear, secular scientific demonstration that any such substance actually existed, as it seems to fly in the face of the history of science.

While mixing water with wine was certainly the norm at the time, you could only add a limited amount of water while keeping the wine strong enough to kill the nasties in the water.

And, again, I’m skeptical about the claim of lower alcohol back then, too: that would require that either a) grapes had been intensely selectively bred for higher sugar between that period and the Renaissance or so, or b) a global mutation in that species of yeast allowing it to ferment to a higher level, somehow entirely displacing the older line throughout the planet.
7_Sorrows said:
Yes, turning lake water into wine - not sure I would want to partake.
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From Tom T. Hall’s “I Like Beer” . . .
Last night I dreamed that I passed from the scene
And I went to a place so sublime
Aw, the water was clear and tasted like beer
Then they turned it all into wine (Awww)
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lanman87 said:
It is my understanding that they boiled the grape juice down to a paste and then stored the paste in jars/skins. The combination of being boiled and stored in a container kept the paste from fermenting or at least fermenting at fast.
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That seems like an amazing amount of fuel to gather . . . given that, concentrated down like that, it would indeed severely retard fermentation (although between the sugars still available and lack of yeast, it would be susceptible mold, I believe).
lanman87 said:
They wanted the juice to ferment enough to have enough to alcohol to purify the water but not enough not get you roaring drunk.
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That’s the catch. You’re looking at no more than about 50-50. 6% isn’t enough to do that, and the acidity that also protects the wine would be far lower than in raw wine.

Frankly, I don’t think the numbers work for this.
HomeschoolDad said:
Depended on which bottle you happened to open.
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With near certainty, you had some bottles that were clean enough, and others that weren’t.

I solved this by using kegs.

OK, my wife solved this by ordering me to buy a kegging system–and it cost about half of what I paid for the trip to the ER after the incident that triggered it . . .

Anyway, lots of bleach soaking of bottles will go a long way for your problem, and a quart of dairy grade iodine will last you forever.
 
The like is for the post, generally, and the shout out to Tom T. Hall, whom I once met.
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I like beer.

Especially the dark beer my son in law brews. He also does good wine. He told me to suggest a wine for him to attempt. I asked for marshmallow. He’s still trying.
 
Dark beer is the best beer. I’m gonna track your son-in-law down and confiscate his beer.
 
He’s only been doing wine for years, now. But his dark beer made a believer out of my wife.
 
lanman87 said:
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7_Sorrows:
So you are insinuating what Jesus drank was more of a juice than a wine?
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No, I’m saying that wine was used to purify water in ancient times. Fully fermented Wine was also used to party and get drunk and celebrate.
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Okay. Thanks for clarifying. I should have used another word than insinuating. That
sounds snarky. I didn’t mean for it to be, I was just in a hurry.
 
I am not sure people who think Jesus never drank wine are open to having their minds changed.

It might be interesting to ask them what they think Paul meant when he advised Timothy to drink wine instead of water to prevent stomach problems.
 
sallybutler said:
I am not sure people who think Jesus never drank wine are open to having their minds changed.

It might be interesting to ask them what they think Paul meant when he advised Timothy to drink wine instead of water to prevent stomach problems.
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I find that a glass of wine after a bigger meal settles my stomach quite nicely. I was raised in a dry environment and most of my friends are mostly teetotalers. What I find hard to understand is why so many people seem to have a problem with those that think alcohol of any sort should be avoided or that Jesus would not have a glass of today’s wine. I mean, who cares? People should be free to think how they want about it. Why do us humans seem to have the need to berate those who seemingly hold to a higher standard than we ourselves do? Are we all that insecure?
 
Maybe people aren’t thinking that those who demonize alcohol are holding themselves to a higher standard? It doesn’t seem like a higher standard to me, at any rate. More just a personal preference. It seems illogical to think that Jesus wouldn’t approve of or drink wine since the first miracle he performed was to create wine.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
Maybe people aren’t thinking that those who demonize alcohol are holding themselves to a higher standard? It doesn’t seem like a higher standard to me, at any rate. More just a personal preference. It seems illogical to think that Jesus wouldn’t approve of or drink wine since the first miracle he performed was to create wine.
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I see your point that it could be referenced as a personal preference instead of a higher standard as is true with many things I suppose. But it interests me that so many need to ridicule those that have a different preference when it comes to this and other topics.
 
I am reminded though of an alcoholic man involved in AA strongly advising against taking the first drink.
 
Yes alcohol can be abused, but people that do choose to drink haven’t set a lower standard.
 
Nope, but the Passover meal didn’t feature 4 joints, and Jesus didn’t turn water into marijuana 🙂
 
When the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles, they were accused of having too much of the new wine, for Pentecost marked the beginning of the grape harvest. Thus, even new wine was somewhat alcoholic, enough so that you could get drunk from drinking a large amount of it.
 
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