Do Baptists really hate Catholics?

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Since I’ve been out of the loop for so long, I have no idea if the school has changed since Bob Jones III retired. My experience was with the graduates, now pastors. The ones I met were still pretty racist and elitist. In fairness to them, the ones I knew tried to stay away from extremes, unlike the KJV-only types.
I’ve been out of the loop a while myself. I was specifically commenting on the colleges as a whole, based on what I remember from almost 20 years ago. I’ve met plenty of graduates from there myself who were quite racist, including pastors. Saying that BJU is the least racist of the 3 I mentioned is more of an indictment of the other schools.

I just read up on BJU a bit, and it does seem like they’ve further distanced themselves from the past racism. Definitely good for them if they have, and hopefully that will carry over to its present day graduates.
 
I was born as a Catholic and raised in a Muslim country, after a while from moving to USA because of security reasons in my original country and threats against Christians, I moved to a place where Baptists are dominated. To be honest with you I am not so religious, but I can say of my self as a secular Catholic where I love everything being taught by my family as a catholic, especially the values of love not to hate. I found that baptists reject everyone who don’t think like them, in fact after one year in this place I find my self alone with no friends, it is really hard for me to absorb that, where I love the values of freedom in this country and who gave me my rights when my original country didn’t because of Muslim fundamentalists. Sorry to say that, but from my experience with the two, I can now compare Baptists fundamentalists to Muslim fundamentalists. Unfortunately I can’t move to another place in the mean time due to my work and study.
keyword, fundamentalist. I love all people, yet the fundamentalists seem to not display hatred, but an extreme dislike with Catholics. The best advice I can give you is pray for them. They aren’t bad people just misunderstood and dialogue is the best
 
I was born as a Catholic and raised in a Muslim country, after a while from moving to USA because of security reasons in my original country and threats against Christians, I moved to a place where Baptists are dominated. To be honest with you I am not so religious, but I can say of my self as a secular Catholic where I love everything being taught by my family as a catholic, especially the values of love not to hate. I found that baptists reject everyone who don’t think like them, in fact after one year in this place I find my self alone with no friends, it is really hard for me to absorb that, where I love the values of freedom in this country and who gave me my rights when my original country didn’t because of Muslim fundamentalists. Sorry to say that, but from my experience with the two, I can now compare Baptists fundamentalists to Muslim fundamentalists. Unfortunately I can’t move to another place in the mean time due to my work and study.
Well, I am sorry you feel that way.

If you really think the two are comparable, then move back to where you came from.

No need? Well, you are right – because the two are not comparable.

The typical Baptist would not kill you. Perhaps a few of the hard-core, sociopathic nuts identifying as “fundamentalist” might, but I bet if any existed, I could count them with less than 10 fingers/thumbs nationwide.

You know that. That is why you feel no pressure to flee.

You are just angry because you feel ostracized. I regret that.

Might I point out that the solution to hate is not more ill will? Please do not let these people’s issues bring out the worst in you.

“I can say of my self as a secular Catholic where I love everything being taught by my family as a catholic, especially the values of love not to hate” – well, I suggest you drop “secular” and get serious about being Catholic. If you do not take the values of Catholicism seriously, it is going to be easier to go down the dark path you have started down.

Catholicism in the United States is very much Christian. If anyone tells you otherwise, s/he is wrong.

However, as Catholicism is a form of Christianity, there is something you need to understand. Christianity is not something to be “secular” about; Christianity is a faith meant to be BELIEVED and lived according to.

If you expect Catholicism to influence your values and not continue down that path of ill will you have started down, you need to drop the “secular” description and believe Christianity.

If you are convinced that being Catholic is the proper way to be Christian, then be a serious, practicing Catholic. Let the Christian values that are the core of Catholicism be internalized by you, fully believed to be right and wholeheartedly adopted, and lived according to.
 
You see, the ill-will goes both ways. I will show you two examples.
I grew up in Oklahoma where Baptists/fundamental Evangelicals form the mainstay of religion. From my experiences, most of these people harbor a very strong dislike of the Catholic church and most do not consider Catholics to be Christian.

Of course, when you discuss religion with them, you quickly find out that 100% of these people do not know anything about what the Church teaches and believes. Every ounce of “knowledge” that they have about the Church is the same old half-truths and lies: “you Catholics worship Mary”, “Catholics worship statues”, “Catholics can sin every day and go to Confession on Saturday” etc.

And I won’t comment here on the inherent racism that is so common among Baptist/Souther Baptist/evangelical Christians. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Fundamentalism (of any sort) attracts, and thrives, on ignorance.
“Bible Colleges” are not places of higher learning, but places in which fundamentalist philosophy is disseminated. Many come away from these “Colleges” just as ignorant as they went in. They are mainly places for men who want a “degree” to be preachers.
It is becoming increasingly apparent that our society is fast becoming illiterate. Reading comprehension is at an all time low. The problem is very noticeable in the church at large. Without basic reading skills, churches can be lead in any direction the powers that be so wish.
Fundamentalist Christians are the most Biblically illiterate in the evangelical world.
I am not saying all fundamentalists are unintelligent. I AM saying the prevailing culture that surrounds it seems to celebrate ignorance.
Many simply have reading comprehension problems, for whatever reason. Many times it can be blamed on a bad education, too much time watching the TV or computer games.
I can honestly say the folks that scream the loudest about the KJV, never seem to read their KJVs.
They rely on what someone says is in the Bible. They allow someone else to think for them.
Fundamentalism claims belief and dependency on the Scriptures. But it appears to be more influenced by a kind of “Oral Tradition”.
Strange as it may seem, fundamentalists use exactly what they condemn Catholics for.
Sermons are shared, sometimes word for word, or they pass around (and sell) tapes and pamphlets. Many graduates of a particular Bible College memorize the sermons of its founder word for word. They attend conferences where they hear the leaders set an agenda for them. Bible study is selective, to serve the purpose of a sermon.
Memorization replaces scholarly inquiry. Verses and texts are simply used to apply to a situation or a sermon.
Many seem proud of a lack of education. Others seem to think they are Bible scholars because they attended a “College” which simply spoon-fed a philosophy. Either way it is very sad to encounter preachers who only know theology, doctrine, and Church history from a narrow and limited point of view.
As a result, there is many a preacher who stands in the pulpit of his church who has a modalistic view of the Trinity, denies Original Sin, repentance, or does not even understand the hypostatic union of Christ. Yet they are looked at as “Bible experts”.
Even worse, they many times display a fear of any knowledge that goes beyond, or offers an alternative to, what they have learned.
I can confirm that many people calling themselves “fundamentalist Christians” claim "“you Catholics worship Mary”, “Catholics worship statues”, “Catholics can sin every day and go to Confession on Saturday” etc…

Then you see the hateful rant “the inherent racism that is so common among Baptist/Souther Baptist/evangelical Christians” and then the next person’s rant.

Just so that we are clear, in the United States, colleges, universities, seminaries, and other institutions of higher education that are accredited are legitimate “places of higher learning” regardless of how anyone might feel about what is taught there.

Any fundamentalist college, university, seminary, etc. that is accredited is a legitimate college, university, seminary, etc… Accreditation is a process developed to distinguish between institutions offering a legitimate college-level education versus those not doing so. Regardless of any institution’s religious affiliations, if it is accredited, it is a legitimate college, university, seminary, etc…

You have seen in your life probably the hatred for either Catholicism, or even against Catholics themselves, by people identifying as Baptist. I can tell you that it gets just as bad from the Catholic side – as you can see above.

Of course, I do not consider these people representations of how Catholics in general feel about fundamentalist Christians.

I do not even consider them representative of good Catholicism. You see, the Vatican dictated to them how to respond to non-Catholic Christians. Read below:“We must get to know the outlook of our separated brethren. To achieve this purpose, study is of necessity required, and this must be pursued with a sense of realism and good will” – Vatican Council II, Decree on Ecumenicism, 9.Their ignorance of fundamentalist Christians shows that “study” did not happen, and their slurs show that a “sense or realism and good will” is sorely lacking.

So, Rodytc, are you going to follow the `low road’ the Vatican urged against – or are you going to what Catholics are supposed to do?
 
I remember the first day i accepted christ as my Saviour and lord

a baptist girl told me

you need to choose a church now

feel free to pick any church and i encourage you to be baptist

but stay away from three groups

Jehovah witness , Mormons, and CATHOLIC:confused:!!!

her words made me study catholicism and try to understand it because i knew that catholics are christians how can she say dont join them !!

and now i can say Catholic is the Church of christ{ . } 👍
I am very happy that you have found Jesus. And YES, he is in the Catholic Church. He alone can save you and He alone has the power to call you to live with Him in heavenly Bliss forever. Welcome Home, Welcome Home.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Might I also say that long before there were any Baptists or any other denominations there were only Catholic Christians. Catholic Christians today believe and teach the same today as they did 2000 years ago. So, when our non-Catholic brethren say that “Catholics are not Christians”, etc. I suggest they stop and think of who the first Christians were and still are today. Shalom haMeshiach

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Let me explain something: I am a fundamentalist Christian. However, as you read in a prior post, I see that Catholicism in the United States is very much Christian.

I read my Bible. I see how practicing Catholics here in the United States go about their lives, and I know a lot of what they believe – because I have studied them in their own words and their own deeds. It all matches up well with what the Bible dictates Christianity is to be.

Most fundamentalist and evangelical Christians are not racists. I was shocked by the first person’s rant above. There is, however, unfortunately, a level of ignorance among us – because many of us do not trust ourselves. Many of us will trust the person in the pulpit to tell them
a) what the Bible teaches, and
b) what other church groups believe and do.
Sure, they will look it up for themselves in the Bible; they trust but verify – and they trust too much. As for the other church groups, they never bother to check it out for themselves – or they believe a mistaken notion that with their presence, they would get misled or worse, show approval and incur God’s displeasure. The latter idea comes from honest misunderstandings of certain Bible passages.

Things are getting better, however. First, more books and study Bibles are available written by conservative Christian scholars, which help more of us fundamentalists and evangelicals know the Bible for ourselves better. Further, because of improved means of communication, we are learning better of church groups besides whichever ones we normally assemble with.

The idea that we are just a bunch of ignorant rubes is a popular idea among Catholics who like to think going to a Catholic congregation makes them better than the rest of us. However, it is a myth.

This fundamentalist has a Master’s degree in mathematics. English is my only native tongue, but I am bilingual and triliterate: I can speak English and Spanish, and can also read Portuguese. Before earning my Master’s degree in mathematics, I went to a prestigious and notoriously demanding college on a scholarship and had it all four years, majoring in mathematics and minoring in physics but having to take courses in a wide variety of fields. I also earned a teaching license in what was then one of the toughest states to get licensed in. I also earned two A’s in Theological Studies courses taught by faculty who were certainly not fundamentalist or evangelical.

Another I know very well went to a state university with a prestigious business program. She got a degree through that program and graduated with honors.

As you meet and encounter more evangelicals, you would find similar reports. Most of us did not go to evangelical colleges or universities: most of us went instead to other colleges or universities, or nowhere at all. Many of us got college degrees just like most people who go to college; others of us learned advanced concepts by working a job and getting better at it or getting trained for promotion.

Oh, and the notion `To learn church history is to learn of a need to be Catholic’ is laughable. Many of us are quite knowledgeable in church history – not from revisionist history of fundamentalist loons, but from books written by recognized scholars. For my part, I know enough about Catholic and Orthodox claims based upon church history to know that they are pretty much the same – and could pull me either direction, in theory. I also know enough about their weaknesses to be pulled neither direction.

I do know enough about their merits, however, to respect Christians who decide to go to either Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Just because those history-based arguments have weaknesses does not mean they do not have merit.

Now, to your actual question, below.
 
Might I also say that long before there were any Baptists or any other denominations there were only Catholic Christians. Catholic Christians today believe and teach the same today as they did 2000 years ago. So, when our non-Catholic brethren say that “Catholics are not Christians”, etc. I suggest they stop and think of who the first Christians were and still are today. Shalom haMeshiach

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
I would like to add The Catholic Church was established 350 years before the Bible was compiled. The same Bible that the many flavors of Baptist cherry pick from to form their own theology 🤷 They make themselves their own authority as it were…

Matthew
 
Several people have already pointed this out, but I thought I should go ahead and reiterate the point.

The members of “Baptist” churches are not uniform in their views of the Roman Catholic Church. There are people who wear the adjective baptist in front of their religious description who do in fact hate the Roman Catholic Church. (ie Fred Phelps) However, the vast majority are much more moderate and see Catholics as brothers and sisters in Christ.

One important thing to remember is that Baptists are not cohesive in their views toward other Christian denominations or even general Baptist theology and practices. There are many different conventions and associations of Baptists around the world. Each tends to have slightly different views. The largest such convention (and protestant denomination) in the US is the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). However, even within the SBC, views are not uniform. The SBC is founded on the ideal that each congregation is an autonomous unit that the SBC can not, and does not, dictate doctrine to. This leads to the wide variety of views held by churches that label themselves as Baptist. Even other protestant denominations are often surprised to find that Baptists do not have a cohesive body of doctrine so I imagine it is also less known among Catholics.

One advantage that the Roman Catholic Church has over baptists is that doctrine is clearly defined for all its members and churches. Therefore a Roman Catholic can go into any Roman Catholic church and expect the same doctrine to be preached. Baptists can not do this. I could go from my church SE of Houston which concentrates on loving others like Christ loved and go to another baptist church on another side of Houston and hear a message preached that could be anti-Catholic. (though this is by no means common in Baptist churches)

This is off topic but…
I personally think much of the misunderstanding between Catholics and Baptists come from the disagreement over infant and believer’s baptism. However, the comparison is probably an improper one. I would imagine it would be more proper to compare a Baptist that has been through believer’s baptism with a confirmed Catholic who have made similar personal professions of faith (Apostles Creed for Catholics). Unfortunately most Baptists do not know very much about the confirmation process or the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. We tend to not spend very much time reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Ultimately both Catholics and Baptists should strive to concentrate on the many things we do agree upon. Both groups share the love of Christ and an opportunity of salvation from our sins through the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus. That is the important fact, not when we baptize and the roles of priests and ministers.
 
Sorry, I don’t misunderstand any Baptist teachings. Spending a little time studying the Bible and the history of early Christians will teach any inquiring mind that the “Baptist” church has little in common with what Christians believed for the first 1600 years of the existence of Christianity. The “Baptist” church is a man-made religion of the last few hundred years.
I’m very interested to hear what you have to say. I’ll tell you what I believe and if there is something I am mis-interpreting from Scripture please let me know. I was helplessly lost in my sin. There was nothing I could do to get right with God (Gal 2:20-21). I deserved to die. Romans 6:23. But God sent His Son to atone for me. John 3:16. I died to my sin and Christ lives in me. Have I offended in my testimony?
 
I can understand that Catholics may also misunderstand your teaching. After reading some of Catholics’ experience here about Baptists’ attitude towards them, I find it’s interesting that you say that the Church is intimidating to many of you. Perhaps you may want to tell us what is intimidating about the Church; and could this be a factor in those Baptists who hate Catholics? Do you fear Catholic Church because of its size, influence and what she says it is - the true Church?
We know that the Church has undergone many changes from burning people at the stake so don’t think it is that. I think Mass intimidates a good deal of us. We feel lost and overwhelmed. I worship best in a personal setting (as I know Mass is for y’all) but for me it is on my knees at the altar with my hands lifted. It just seemed too formal for that (from an outsider’s point of view). I know you do not pray to Mary and the Saints the same as God but not everyone knows this. And yes, if you believe the Church is the only way to God (I don’t know if you do) is a little disheartening to Baptists. Jesus is the only way to God but we are not the only way to Jesus.

I beg your pardon if I came across as too forwarded or offended. I’m sure I didnt phrase stuff right. Please ask if you have questions.
 
I was raised in a Baptist Church, and personally I think a lot of what seems to be hostility is just a guise for misunderstanding and fear of the unknown. I was taught a lot of anti-Catholic things growing up, but I think a lot of that stemmed from the “protesting” nature of Protestantism - the need to distinguish ones denomination from what we are protesting against, in combination with a real lack of knowledge about the Catholic Church. Most of the people I know just wanted to save the Catholics, they didn’t truly hate them.
It is interesting to talk to my Baptist friends as I am in the process of becoming a Catholic. The best way I found to assuage their fears was to emphasize how my relationship with God is, and talk about improvements in my spiritual life - that goes a long way to countering the notion (in their minds) that Catholics are not Christian. The interesting thing is that the main doctrinal disagreements seem to come primarily from baptism and the real presence. But there can be a lot of common ground to start from.
When I first went to a Catholic Church, I found it VERY intimidating. The form of service was unfamiliar. People recited things at times that to me seemed totally random. Then you stand sit stand kneel stand sit kneel etc. (And then the day they had the incense!) The priests wore robes, and no one talked to each other before or after Mass. My second time at mass someone knelt and bowed their head to the floor before sitting in the pew (although that was the only time I saw it, it seemed really odd to me at the time). It was massive culture shock, and since I knew no Catholics at the time, I had no one to help me adjust. But with time I came to love the beauty of the liturgy and the reverence and respect for God. I already accepted the doctrine (from my own studies) but I had to adjust to the style of worship.
The other thing that can be intimidating at times is that Catholics seem to have a language all their own that is hard to understand if you are an outsider (Things like “real presence”, “hypostatic union”, words in Latin, and abbreviations like SSPX as examples). I have spent so much time researching terms and phrases… 🙂
 
Some Christians (like me) have gone from Catholic to Evangelical, and then when age and wisdom catch up with us, back to Catholic. But some Christians, are born in the Christian wilderness. They have never been in a liturgical, let alone a Catholic church. And when they walk into one, well, let’s face it, it can be kind of scary.
They see statues, stained glass windows. They smell incense. They see an altar, kneelers, people genuflecting, crossing themselves, holy water, crucifixes. Instead of a preacher, they see a priest in a robe.
People aren’t standing around talking, they’re in silent prayer. They are required to respond in prayer, creeds. Just not sitting in a pew staring (or at least should be ). Let’s face it, for the person born in the Little Church on the Evangelical Prairie, it’s like stepping off a spaceship onto another planet.
A ‘good ole boy’ who puts on his ‘go to meetin’’ clothes on Sunday to ‘hear the preacher’ is coming from a totally different mindset and church culture. Even if the church is not hostile to the RCC, for him, it’s a different world. Generations of conditioning have produced this. His father was ________, his father was a ________.
On the other side of the coin, the first time I walked into an evangelical church, what struck me was nothing was required of me (which perhaps fed into my lazy nature). No order of service, just listening to a preacher…and well, that’s pretty much it.
I think both need to understand there are generations of Christians who have never experienced the other. This is not helped by fundamentalists on **both sides **anesthetizing the other. So to many Christians in the CC, Protestant, and evangelical, nothing is known and communication does not exist.
It’s like a science fiction story of two planets who have been at war for so long they no longer remember the reason why or even know what the “enemy” looks like.
 
I grew up in Oklahoma where Baptists/fundamental Evangelicals form the mainstay of religion. From my experiences, most of these people harbor a very strong dislike of the Catholic church and most do not consider Catholics to be Christian.

Of course, when you discuss religion with them, you quickly find out that 100% of these people do not know anything about what the Church teaches and believes. Every ounce of “knowledge” that they have about the Church is the same old half-truths and lies: “you Catholics worship Mary”, “Catholics worship statues”, “Catholics can sin every day and go to Confession on Saturday” etc.

And I won’t comment here on the inherent racism that is so common among Baptist/Souther Baptist/evangelical Christians. Hypocrisy at its finest.
A Baptist once told me that the reason Cathoics recieve ashes on Ash Wednesday is that they believe it’s necessary to get to heaven. When I quit laughing I said: “Well, we do believe you’re not going to get to heaven unless you are repentant of your sins before you die, quite unlike the Baptist position wherein no sin a “saved” person commits is cause for concern.” He was quite bumfoozled by this.
 
A Baptist once told me that the reason Cathoics recieve ashes on Ash Wednesday is that they believe it’s necessary to get to heaven. When I quit laughing I said: “Well, we do believe you’re not going to get to heaven unless you are repentant of your sins before you die, quite unlike the Baptist position wherein no sin a “saved” person commits is cause for concern.” He was quite bumfoozled by this.
The reason he was bumfoozled is that your understanding of Baptist beliefs was just as wrong as his understanding of Ash Wednesday. While Baptists do believe that someone who is truly repentant and places their faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior cannot lose their salvation, they do not think sin is not a cause for concern. Sin creates a stumbling block in our paths that delays the sanctification process and can make our testimony less effective. But to say that Baptists are unconcerned about sin by believers is not true.

Note: Baptists do not have a set doctrine concerning sin. Each church and believer is autonomous and has the ability to interpret the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit. I imagine there are some baptists that have decided that sin after conversion is of no concern. However, the vast majority of Baptists would be very concerned by such sin and would probably question whether or not someone was truly repentant if they were not concerned about the sin in their lives.

If you ever want to know what the average evangelical Baptist believes, you should check out the Southern Baptist Convention’s (SBC) website. Though the beliefs of the SBC are going to differ slightly from church to church and from each subdivision of Baptist. There are probably significant differences between mainline and evangelical Baptists. However the majority of Baptists (including me) are evangelical and Southern Baptist.
 
One quick question please…do Baptists believe that once saved, always saved? Thank you. Shalom haMeshiach.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem.
 
The reason he was bumfoozled is that your understanding of Baptist beliefs was just as wrong as his understanding of Ash Wednesday. While Baptists do believe that someone who is truly repentant and places their faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior cannot lose their salvation, they do not think sin is not a cause for concern. Sin creates a stumbling block in our paths that delays the sanctification process and can make our testimony less effective. But to say that Baptists are unconcerned about sin by believers is not true.

Note: Baptists do not have a set doctrine concerning sin. Each church and believer is autonomous and has the ability to interpret the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit. I imagine there are some baptists that have decided that sin after conversion is of no concern. However, the vast majority of Baptists would be very concerned by such sin and would probably question whether or not someone was truly repentant if they were not concerned about the sin in their lives.

If you ever want to know what the average evangelical Baptist believes, you should check out the Southern Baptist Convention’s (SBC) website. Though the beliefs of the SBC are going to differ slightly from church to church and from each subdivision of Baptist. There are probably significant differences between mainline and evangelical Baptists. However the majority of Baptists (including me) are evangelical and Southern Baptist.
From the link you posted:

I. The Scriptures

The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God’s revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy. It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.

“truth, without any mixture of error”…Then why do you remain among those who walked away in John:6?
 
One quick question please…do Baptists believe that once saved, always saved? Thank you. Shalom haMeshiach.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem.
Not a quick question, but if you check back tonight I will answer! Blessings.
 
One quick question please…do Baptists believe that once saved, always saved? Thank you. Shalom haMeshiach.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem.
In general, Baptists do believe that once someone is saved they are always saved (as do most protestants).

Though it’s certainly a much more complicated subject than the generalization I made implys.
 
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