Do bishops have authority to prohibit Communion on the tongue?

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Soubirous1 said:
it’s cool. i just thought that since you brought it up you would have a good source for it. thanks anyway
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So, I like I said I am not sure what you are lookin for. I don’t think you would find an official source with peoples complaints. You will have to take their word for it.

An official Vatican document from Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, Redemptinis Sacramentus, addresses some of the issue:

In distributing Holy Communion it is to be remembered that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who seek them in a reasonable manner, are rightly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them”.177 Hence any baptized Catholic who is not prevented by law must be admitted to Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.

Footnote 177 leads to:

Can. 843 Sacred ministers cannot deny the sacramentsto those who seek them at appropriate times, are properly disposed and are not prohibited by law from receiving them.

and the law referred to above:

Can 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted holy communion.
 
Soubirous1 said:
it seems to me that you don’t trust the hierarchy. that’s how schisms start.
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And when there is a schism, those of us who are with the chair of Peter on this issue will be on the right side of that schism even if our local Bishop is not.
 
Ok, in all charity towards the Bishops, there is no reason at all to assume they might withhold COTT in a time there was not a health crisis. None.

So in all honesty, you are certainly implying you do not trust the bishops.

Can we not give the bishops the benefit of the doubt? They are doing what they judge best in response to an unprecedented health crisis. I strongly prefer receiving on the tongue. I have stated that I do not believe COTT is much more dangerous than CITT (although I suspect for viruses it is a little, for bacterial infections in the hand would be worse). But reasonable people can disagree on what is the most safe way of receiving communion. If one is not going to be obedient to one’s bishoip in this issue, at least do not attribute to him false motives.

I find this whole debate of whether they have the authority to prohibit COTT extremely distasteful at this point in time. Most bishops, to my knowledge, have simply given strong encouragement to CITH. And for those who have probibited it, be obedient and let the Holy See figure it out in its good time if that was a proper thing to do or not considering the crisis we face.
 
tafan2 said:
Ok, in all charity towards the Bishops, there is no reason at all to assume they might withhold COTT in a time there was not a health crisis. None.

So in all honesty, you are certainly implying you do not trust the bishops.
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Also, in all charity, I believe there is more being read into my statement than what I said.

My only point was that if one’s rights to receive on the tongue are taken away for one reason, it could happen for another reason also and Rome has given the laity the right to receive on the tongue and has stated they can not be denied.

It has nothing to do with trust or suspecting the bishops of anything but another situation coming along.

In Redemptinis Sacramentus it states:

In distributing Holy Communion it is to be remembered that “sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who seek them in a reasonable manner, are rightly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them”.177 Hence any baptized Catholic who is not prevented by law must be admitted to Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example , that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing.
tafan2 said:
Can we not give the bishops the benefit of the doubt?
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Also in all charity, I think maybe sometimes we need to give each other here on the forum the benefit of the doubt and ask what they meant by a statement.

God bless
 
tafan2 said:
So in all honesty, you are certainly implying you do not trust the bishops.
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To be honest, who could blame anybody for not doing so after the last 50 years. All the apostles apart from St John abandoned Our Lord and during the Arian crises once again lots of Bishops seemed to.

For centuries then everything seemed to be fine, until recently lots of bishops have suddenly ruined churches and cathedrals and stripped them to pieces, destroying altars and removing communion rails etc amongst many other things which are not pleasant to mention, and I’m afraid that this cannot be easily forgotten about.

We can only absolutely trust God and the Supreme teaching office of his church. Despite this we must still respect our bishops and hope and pray that from now on they will obey the Holy Father the successor of Peter, hand on sacred tradition, guide their sheep and not be like the bishops St Peter Himself spoke of who were prophesied to come:

“ [[28]]Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. [[29]]I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. [[30]]And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Acts 20)
 
tafan2 said:
Can we not give the bishops the benefit of the doubt?
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Then we will end up with the same kind of problems we’ve had to put up with for all these years. We’ve done that for to long. We must live every day as it comes as Our Lord told us
 
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Paul_Edwards said:
To be honest, who could blame anybody for not doing so after the last 50 years.
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You know you are right. I didn’t even think about that when I said another situation could come along but, yes, many Catholics do no longer trust the bishops. So much has happened over the last 50 years that has caused much mistrust.
Paul_Edwards said:
Then we will end up with the same kind of problems we’ve had to put up with for all these years. We’ve done that for to long. We must live every day as it comes as Our Lord told us
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Yes, we must vigilant and we must know our faith and live as Catholics as best we can according to Church teaching until we die or the Lord comes.
 
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Another revelation. One thing Michael Voris has done is point out that the document on this issue says “ALWAYS”. It would have sounded just as effective without adding that word in, but the Holy See knew what they were doing, and in this circumstance there is no exception for certain situations.

“Always always always”

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That letter was issued in reply to someone because of the swine flu when some bishops thought they could do the same then erroneously
 
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like I’ve been saying, trust the hierarchy. God’s kingdom is just that. it’s not a democracy.
 
Exactly, it’s not a democracy. Once Rome has spoken, the case is closed
 
yep. for now we have to humbly honor our bishops judgment until there’s a ruling. he is in authority over us.
 
until Rome speaks on the issue we must obey or immediate authority, the bishops. this is pretty common knowledge. people of this time need to be more thankful for communion and stop splitting hairs over a decision made in a time of emergency. there’s men who have received on battle fields
 
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Yes, I realize people can see it. I did that because people were getting the wrong impression of what I said. I chose not to delete it so if people want they can go back and see what I said if they wanted to know what we were talking about.

Thank you though.

God bless.
 
Paul_Edwards said:
We must obey first Rome and second our Bishops also
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Yes, over our priests and our bishops we obey Rome first. Rome has spoken and as I said in an earlier post that a priest once said:

What Rome has given neither a priest nor a bishop can take away and what Rome has taken away neither a priest or a bishop can give. What Peter binds is bound.
 
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Well I appreciate you keeping the conversation in its original context Because that’s what I responded to.thank you.
 
That’s how it used to be with my older kids. But that is no longer the case.
 
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