It depends. The Church teaches that all pople and all nations have a right to defend themselves. But to kill is a last resort. If a person can be locked up and kept from ever killing anyone again; it is morally better than killing them to keep them from killing again. I would think that they would insist that an execution be carried out as humain as possable. This for the saftey of our own soulsDo you believe in people that get a needle in them ready to die? I mean, I dont support this, I would rather people die the way they killed the person. If someone was killed by axe, that person should die by axe. An eye for an eye right? Anyways, do Catholics support the nation of death sentence?
You are leaving out part of it. The part you are leaving out is that death sentence is only acceptable if there is no other way to separate the guilty party from vulnerable others. Since we have prisons and LWOP, the death sentence is not proper recourse. Only if our country could no longer afford to pay for prisons to keep dangerous offenders behind bars would we have the Church’s backing to kill that offender and even then it would probably be a sin to refuse to pay for the prisons to keep us from having to take anyone’s life.Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says.
CCC 2267: Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
I would recommend reading the following sections in the CCC 2257 through 2317
Stillkickin
The USA is accompanied by none of the Christian Developped countries in having the capital punishment. See here the maphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_countryDo you believe in people that get a needle in them ready to die? I mean, I dont support this, I would rather people die the way they killed the person. If someone was killed by axe, that person should die by axe. An eye for an eye right? Anyways, do Catholics support the nation of death sentence?
Amen.Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says.
CCC 2267: Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
I would recommend reading the following sections in the CCC 2257 through 2317
Stillkickin
Because forgiveness certainly isn’t one of the core tenets of our faith…?I do. I believe every murderer, rapist, child molester, drug dealer and criminals involved in organized crime both from within the prison walls and outside of it, should be executed in order to better protect our communities. I think that repeat offenders and those who continue to break the law while in jail should get the death penalty. And I don’t believe they should be allowed more than one appeal.
It seems that you are not out for justice but for revenge.I do. I believe every murderer, rapist, child molester, drug dealer and criminals involved in organized crime both from within the prison walls and outside of it, should be executed in order to better protect our communities. I think that repeat offenders and those who continue to break the law while in jail should get the death penalty. And I don’t believe they should be allowed more than one appeal.
It’s not about lack of forgiveness. It’s about protecting the rest of society and not inflicting that criminal on the rest of society. Dangerous criminals pose a risk to other inmates, to guards, and when they run operations from behind bars, they continue to pose a risk to society at large.Because forgiveness certainly isn’t one of the core tenets of our faith…?
Yes, you should forgive them. However, the government and civil authorities have the reponsbility and duty to protect society, and they should do so.I don’t see how anyone could possibly be a Christian and support the death penalty. I don’t see how anyone could possibly be a Christian and support a justice system that isn’t based on mercy, rehabilitation and second chances. Didn’t the Lord say that we should forgive our brothers seventy-seven times?
Drug dealers prey on the weak. They get children to mule for them, and they choose their victims very carefully. Sorry about that college kid selling weed out of his dorm room, but he’s the one who broke the law. You think he’s innocent? I think it’s a gateway to selling more potent drugs and to a more vulnerable demographic. Why wait until he hurts someone. The drug cartels didn’t start out as drug cartels, they started out as smaller operations and grew. Really. They should be executed. Wow.Also, you say that drug dealers should be killed. Really? A college kid selling weed out of his dorm room should be executed?..wow.
yeah, I agree with you. Revenge should not drive the desicion to call on a death sentence. However, as I said before, the civil authoritie have the responsibility to protect citizens. They have the responsibility to stop repeat offenders. And others should not fall victim to cirminals who have already been identified.It seems that you are not out for justice but for revenge.
Remember that Christ forbade us to take revenge and that forgiveness is the right recourse.
That’s obviously and painfully not true: drug lords still operate from behind bars. Crime bosses still operate from behind bars. Inmates continue to physically and sexually assault their fellow inmates and pose a risk to the guards. The point is, they do continue to commit crimes, again.The death penalty has no space in our modern society since there are other ways to keep the criminals from committing crime again.
No that is not what the Church says…You are leaving out part of it. The part you are leaving out is that death sentence is only acceptable if there is no other way to separate the guilty party from vulnerable others. Since we have prisons and LWOP, the death sentence is not proper recourse. Only if our country could no longer afford to pay for prisons to keep dangerous offenders behind bars would we have the Church’s backing to kill that offender and even then it would probably be a sin to refuse to pay for the prisons to keep us from having to take anyone’s life.
This does not actually say you can only use the death penalty if you can’t lock the other person up for good with 99.9999% assurance. That is part of it, but from my understanding if a nation determined to a life sentence was not an effective enough deterrent you could make a case for saying that the death penalty was necessary. However in response to Rence, the punishment must fit the crime. If you think child molester’s deserve the death penalty then you better provide reasons for why you believe that crime deserves that punishment. Anyone who thinks this is an outrageous claim to make needs to think hard and long about how screwed up some of those kids are after being molested or raped. I doubt it would make a lot of them feel any better if you told them “at least you didn’t die”.Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
Of course it’s about a lack of forgiveness! We can’t be like “It’s cool bro, you’re sorry and we forgive you, now stand over there so we can shoot you.”It’s not about lack of forgiveness. It’s about protecting the rest of society and not inflicting that criminal on the rest of society. Dangerous criminals pose a risk to other inmates, to guards, and when they run operations from behind bars, they continue to pose a risk to society at large.
It’s incredibly naive to think that the government is totally without fault or corruption, and wouldn’t disproportionately target minorities in this Legalistic justice system of yours. Furthermore, you’re ignoring the possibility of innocent people being executed. The worst thing about the death penalty is no matter how much you “perfect” it (if indeed you can use such a word to describe something so repulsive) there will always, always be a chance that the person you’re killing is innocent.Yes, you should forgive them. However, the government and civil authorities have the reponsbility and duty to protect society, and they should do so.
Yeah, I do. Weed rocks bro. I have friends who sell weed, and they don’t make kids run for them. They don’t hurt anyone. The idea that someone should be put to death for selling it is preposterous. Again dude, it’s naive to think “OH POT DEELERS ARE BAD CUZ THEY DEAL DRUGZ AND THATZ WRONG CUZ NANCY REAGAN LOLOL”. You don’t know their circumstances.Drug dealers prey on the weak. They get children to mule for them, and they choose their victims very carefully. Sorry about that college kid selling weed out of his dorm room, but he’s the one who broke the law. You think he’s innocent?
That would be a good point if it were true, but it’s not. The only reason pot is considered a “gateway drug” is because it’s illegal in the first place. If you could sell pot legitimately, you wouldn’t have any associations with gangs or cartels that deal with harder stuff. And not all dealers work with gangs anyway; what about people who grow their own bud?I think it’s a gateway to selling more potent drugs
Because that’s the foundation of our justice system. We don’t punish people for crimes they haven’t committed “yet”.and to a more vulnerable demographic. Why wait until he hurts someone. [sic]
Cool story bro, but you’re suggesting that if we don’t execute small-time buddha growers they’ll turn into mass murderers and drug lords. The cartels don’t only deal drugs, you know. The way to get rid of cartels is to legalize weed, that way they won’t have any business.The drug cartels didn’t start out as drug cartels, they started out as smaller operations and grew. Really. They should be executed. Wow.
That’s why we change our justice system to be centered around rehabilitation. More barbarism won’t help anyone.yeah, I agree with you. Revenge should not drive the desicion to call on a death sentence. However, as I said before, the civil authoritie have the responsibility to protect citizens. They have the responsibility to stop repeat offenders. And others should not fall victim to cirminals who have already been identified.
That’s obviously and painfully not true: drug lords still operate from behind bars. Crime bosses still operate from behind bars. Inmates continue to physically and sexually assault their fellow inmates and pose a risk to the guards. The point is, they do continue to commit crimes, again.
If you really believe that friend maybe you should try getting into Islam? An eye for an eye is real popular with them. Your switching from Christ to Allah would be equally offensive to God as supporting the destruction of human life.Do you believe in people that get a needle in them ready to die? I mean, I dont support this, I would rather people die the way they killed the person. If someone was killed by axe, that person should die by axe. An eye for an eye right? Anyways, do Catholics support the nation of death sentence?
If you really believe that friend maybe you should try getting into Islam? An eye for an eye is real popular with them. Your switching from Christ to Allah would be equally offensive to God as supporting the destruction of human life.
Implying Islam is an inherently violent and destructive religion
that is correct sir. It denies the divinity of Christ and leads people away from Christ. Is that not the definition of evil? Not to mention the degree of violence it spews towards non muslims. (Yes the Bible has its share of violent rhetoric but the difference is much of the Bible isn’t meant to be taken as literal translation, which is not the case with the quran)Implying Islam is an inherently violent and destructive religion
So you’re suggesting any non-Christian religion is inherently evil?that is correct sir. It denies the divinity of Christ and leads people away from Christ. Is that not the definition of evil? Not to mention the degree of violence it spews towards non muslims. (Yes the Bible has its share of violent rhetoric but the difference is much of the Bible isn’t meant to be taken as literal translation, which is not the case with the quran)