Do Catholics believe in the rapture?

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The Rapture had its origin in the 1800 by John Darby a Dispensationalist. The Rapture itself is un-Biblical and some intrepretation of this theory states that there will be two Second Coming of Christ.

The Catholic Church affirms that there will be only One Resurrection and One Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Both the just and the unjust will be judge by the Son of God on the last time, and will separate them like goats and sheep. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

To the righteous he will judge them according for what they have done because these righteous in Christ feed the hungry, clothed the naked, shelter the homeless, etc.These righteous one in Christ will inherit the Kingdom of God. To those who on his left, he will cast into the everlasting fire for they did not live in faith by doing the corporal works of mercy.

The Rapture is Un-Biblical and not even the Early Church Fathers believe in such modern theory. The Rapture is purely an American invention.
Good analysis. Many Protestant denominations don’t believe this either because it came out of the Plymouth (England) Brethren the denomination which John Nelson Darby was part of.

Darby himself, brought his ideas to America and promoted them:

"John Nelson Darby, during the period 1862 to 1877, spent nearly seven years residing in and traveling through the United States and Canada.1 In the United States most of his work was confined to the cities of Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, New York, and Boston, although on one occasion he traveled from Chicago to San Francisco and back on his way to and from New Zealand.2 His earlier work in the United States consisted of attempts to win converts to his Brethren group from the membership of existing Protestant denominations, but this effort met with only limited success. By the early 1870’s he seems to have shifted tactics, concentrating on promoting his ideas among leading clergymen and layman in these churches without insisting that they leave their respective denominations. His success along these lines was greatest in St. Louis, Chicago, New York, and Boston.3

Two of Darby’s most influential converts were James Hall Brookes, pastor of the Walnut Street Presbyterian Church in St. Louis,4 and Adoniram Judson Gordon, pastor of the Clarendon Street Baptist Church in Boston.5 These two men, while remaining in their established pastorates, became the leaders of the movement which was successful in spreading Darby’s doctrines throughout the northeast and midwest during the last quarter of the century.6 Darby’s doctrines also had an impact on Dwight L. Moody, the famous Chicago evangelist, although Moody appears to have accepted the doctrines slowly, and perhaps only partially."

It came into the Baptist sects and some of the Baptists were vehemently opposed to it. Now it is warp and woof of the fabric of some of the Evangelical / Fundamentalist churches whose doctrines are a mish-mosh of “every wind of doctrine.”
 
Good analysis. Many Protestant denominations don’t believe this either because it came out of the Plymouth (England) Brethren the denomination which John Nelson Darby was part of.

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Nice analysis. Welcome to the forums!
 
I am trying to learn more about the Catholic faith and was wondering if they believe in the rapture as protestants do?
No they do not.

edit - not the one that I’m familiar with (I see it called pre-millenial). It appears some protestants follow catholic thinking about revelations, and there are even more ideas than the one I had heard before within protestantism.
 
Or you will get stuck in Japan the rest of your life
Ha! I forgot I had that descriptor in my sig. Some of my posts probably look way different with the sig attached! Thank god for the compass and GPS!

(I have display sigs and thumbnail avatars turned off to speed up the forum download, so I only see the text that people write.)
 
Ha! I forgot I had that descriptor in my sig. Some of my posts probably look way different with the sig attached! Thank god for the compass and GPS!

(I have display sigs and thumbnail avatars turned off to speed up the forum download, so I only see the text that people write.)
I wonder how many people know the book were referring to? Of course this has nothing to do with the rapture unless one thinks Imperial Japan is heaven.
 
Are you aware that Rapture was created by a radical distinction between Church and Israel started by John Darby i.e. not in the Bible?
Are you aware that in Jeromes vulgate he used the latin word for “rapture” and that St. Ephraem of Syria actually recorded this whole theology in 373 A.D.???
And yes it’s in the bible…
 
Are you aware that in Jeromes vulgate he used the latin word for “rapture” and that St. Ephraem of Syria actually recorded this whole theology in 373 A.D.???
And yes it’s in the bible…
Because Jerome used the word rapture does not mean he was endorsing a wild theory that some protestants later came up with. Please provide us with a link that St. Efraim of Syria was the basis of this bogus theology.
 
Because Jerome used the word rapture does not mean he was endorsing a wild theory that some protestants later came up with. Please provide us with a link that St. Efraim of Syria was the basis of this bogus theology.
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373

Check your library!
 
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373

Check your library!
If you are willing to ascribe to such evidence for your beliefs, then why not accept the unanimous teaching about the Eucharist and other Catholics beliefs which were all practiced and taught in the first centuries of Christianity?!? Are the ECFs only allowed when they suit your doctrine?
 
From the website:
**In that day **in which ‘the son of perdition’ shall come upon the earth, there shall be great confusion throughout the whole world, and bewilderment shall come upon the earth. The sun shall be darkened, and the stars shall fall from heaven. All the heavenly bodies shall be extinguished, and darkness envelop the world. The earth shall tremble to its foundations; “the mountains shall be moved and the hills shall tremble” Is. liv:10. Springs and fountains shall dry up; the waves shall be swallowed in the depths of the sea, and fish shall disappear. Rulers shall cease from judgment, and priests tremble in the sanctuary. The power of the strong shall collapse. There shall be stupor upon the earth; the hands of all shall be undone. The man of evil prepare, and coming he will enter Jerusalem; he will build up and establish Sion, and will make himself God, and entering he will sit in the temple, as the Apostle has written (2 Thess. ii:4): “as if he were God”.
This says, on that day which suggests that it is refering to the day of the Second Coming, not a day beforehand in which the believers will be raptured from the Church. In other words, there is nothing suggest that there are two different events happening–it is one Second Coming.
 
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373

Check your library!
It’s a fake. Didn’t you wonder why instead of saying it was written by Saint Ephraem and it was written by pseudo-Efraem? Pseudo meaning false. No reputable scholar accepts this as legitimate nor is there any record of it until recent times.
 
Catholic’s are afraid of the rapture. They woulld rather stay here , grow old and die a miserable death.
If there’s anyone being “left behind”, it’s the sheep:

Those who believe in the “rapture” (a word which appears nowhere in the Bible) hang their hat on these verses.
Luke 17

34 I say to you: in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luke 17

35 Two women shall be grinding together: the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left: two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
But then we read this:
Matthew 13

39 And the enemy that sowed them, is the devil. But the harvest is the end of the world. And the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13

41 The Son of man shall send his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity.

Matthew 13

49 So shall it be at the end of the world. The angels shall go out, and shall separate the wicked from among the just.
If the angels are separating the wicked from the just, then the just are still present with the wicked at the end of the world.

But then they really can’t explain this verse:
1 Thessalonians 4

16 Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord.
So… who is it again being “raptured” away? It looks like the only people left are the ones who are “alive” in faith, who, at the consumation of the world, shall be “taken up” to meet Christ (i.e. taken to heaven). If those who are “alive” are the only ones left, where’s everyone else? The “Rapture” which dispensationalists believe in is actually the wicked being taken by the angels to their judgment (Matthew 13:39,41,49; Luke 17:34-35), while those who are still alive will bypass the Final Judgment reserved for the wicked, and be taken to heaven.
 
It’s a fake. Didn’t you wonder why instead of saying it was written by Saint Ephraem and it was written by pseudo-Efraem? Pseudo meaning false. No reputable scholar accepts this as legitimate nor is there any record of it until recent times.
Not true, I know of one personally whom has qualified this with other writers, Dr E.Hindson, a eschatology professor , furthermore upon further research you’ll discover the validity of this work.
 
This says, on that day which suggests that it is refering to the day of the Second Coming, not a day beforehand in which the believers will be raptured from the Church. In other words, there is nothing suggest that there are two different events happening–it is one Second Coming.
Yeah…I read the entire link and there is nothing to suggest a “pre-tribulation rapture” of “Left Behind” type. I am also curious if there is any evidence that anybody believed a “Left Behind” type of rapture before the 1800s or so.
 
If you are willing to ascribe to such evidence for your beliefs, then why not accept the unanimous teaching about the Eucharist and other Catholics beliefs which were all practiced and taught in the first centuries of Christianity?!? Are the ECFs only allowed when they suit your doctrine?
That’s right. This kind of dishonest appealing to the Early Church Fathers is not limited to the man in the Protestant pew. Let me tell you a story about that.

My friend and Episcopal priest, Father T, back in the late 70s, bought an expensive library of the Post-Nicene Fathers that was published by a Protestant publishing house. When we were studying Catholicism we came across the writings of the same Fathers which had more to say than his volumes said - things Catholic. We compared them and the Protestant publishing house had truncated the writings to make them sound as though they supported Protestantism. Fr. T. was so angry - he had sacrificed to buy those volumes to learn what the ECF had to say.

I myself have a copy of A`Kempis’ “Imitation of Christ” from a Protestant publishing house. In the back there is an adendum which states that “the Romish doctrines” had been expunged from the text.

I’ve read things attributed to Luther which left out incriminating parts of what he actually said in order to legitimize Protestant doctrine. It is DISHONEST and there is nothing else one can say about it.
 
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