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  1. …accept the theory of Natural Law as propounded by Aquinas? If not, how do we reconcile ourselves to the fact that multiple Popes have ordered that a possibly erroneous theory be used as the basis for all Catholic social teaching?
  2. …assent to the existence of a wholly immaterial soul which is created individually by God at the moment of conception? If so, how does Catholicism go about reconciling the reality of the soul with modern advances in neuroscience and biology which (according to the mainstream scientific community) sufficiently explain all areas of human consciousness?
  3. …repudate Chardinianism in full? If not, how do we reconcile his “theory of becoming” (which has been evidently accepted by the Holy Father) with the purported reality of the Fall, and, therefore, that of original sin and redemption?
  4. …accept the historical reality of Adam and Eve, Abraham, Moses and all pre-Babylonian scriptural figures? If not, how can we reconcile the largely mythological character of salvation history with the assertion that the Christian God is an acting God, who intervenes in the history of man in a real and tangible way?
  5. …accept as authoritative every statement of Popes regarding faith or morals as binding? If so, how can we explain the radical changes in Church teaching on slavery (which was ordered by Nicholas V and banned, under penalty of excommunication, by Gregory XVI) and the death penalty (which was practiced and defended by the Bishops of Rome from time immemorial until the pontificate of John Paul II)?
 
  1. …accept the theory of Natural Law as propounded by Aquinas? If not, how do we reconcile ourselves to the fact that multiple Popes have ordered that a possibly erroneous theory be used as the basis for all Catholic social teaching?
  2. …assent to the existence of a wholly immaterial soul which is created individually by God at the moment of conception? If so, how does Catholicism go about reconciling the reality of the soul with modern advances in neuroscience and biology which (according to the mainstream scientific community) sufficiently explain all areas of human consciousness?
  3. …repudate Chardinianism in full? If not, how do we reconcile his “theory of becoming” (which has been evidently accepted by the Holy Father) with the purported reality of the Fall, and, therefore, that of original sin and redemption?
  4. …accept the historical reality of Adam and Eve, Abraham, Moses and all pre-Babylonian scriptural figures? If not, how can we reconcile the largely mythological character of salvation history with the assertion that the Christian God is an acting God, who intervenes in the history of man in a real and tangible way?
  5. …accept as authoritative every statement of Popes regarding faith or morals as binding? If so, how can we explain the radical changes in Church teaching on slavery (which was ordered by Nicholas V and banned, under penalty of excommunication, by Gregory XVI) and the death penalty (which was practiced and defended by the Bishops of Rome from time immemorial until the pontificate of John Paul II)?
Wow. There are many questions here. Perhaps you should break down each question into a separate thread–there’s really too much to answer succinctly.

But I will try to answer what I can find, in abbreviated form.
  1. Aquina’s view on natural law is supported in the Catechism apparently as a doctrine.
Your sub-question “how do we reconcile ourselves to the fact…” is using weasel words, using the question to assert an undocumented fact to support the question’s premise. You need to give specific instances where (1) the Magisterium has done what you purport and (2) where they are wrong, with theological and scientific proof to support it. As a Catholic, it’s weird that you would question the Magisterium in this way, to me at least.
  1. The question uses weasel wording again, stating something as fact without documentation. I can’t answer this question without your source.
  2. At least based on this Wikipedia article, both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI saw Father Chardin’s work as insightful–but neither pontiff nor the Magisterium as a whole require any Catholic to support–or even know–about the priest’s work.
  3. The creation of Adam and Eve as the original parents of men is a dogma of the Church. Catholics are bound to that belief. But we can accept or reject any elements of evolution that support the science that would allow the growth of the human population without an issue. As a Catholic, you should be mindful that you tow a delicate line when you call Scripture solely as “myth.” Doesn’t mean we have to take it as literalistic, but we do accept Scripture for the meaning it gives.
  4. OK. Here you are using questions with weasel words almost just to be argumentative or clever. I’m assuming you’re asking purposefully, however.
The Pope speaks on matters of faith and morals as part of his office, and needs to do so very rarely nowadays as he stands on the shoulders of many predecessors and doctors of the Church that have defined such things over the millennia. As far as slavery goes, perhaps you should do the research, starting with this site and its very extensive collection of supporting documents on the Church’s stance against slavery and the Catechism’s information on where capital punishment may be acceptable in specific instances. You need to provide your sources before simply forming a question and simply making claims without substantiation.

I hope this gets you started.
 
As a student of Psychology, I must disagree with your 2nd point:
…]modern advances in neuroscience and biology which (according to the mainstream scientific community) sufficiently explain all areas of human consciousness
Most psychologists agree that we haven’t even begun to skim the surface of human consciousness! Otherwise a bunch of researchers would be out of a job, right?

Your 4th point:
accept the historical reality of Adam and Eve…]God, who intervenes in the history of man in a real and tangible way…]
I’ve heard that many scientists agree that we all have 2 common ancestors (maybe the names might be wrong but Adam and Eve’s existence seems to match to that). And if you replace “acts of nature” with “acts of God” then it could be said He still intervenes (He just doesn’t tell anyone from a burning bush all the time).

Your other points are beyond my knowledge:confused: I’ll have to check them out some time.
 
Wow. There are many questions here. Perhaps you should break down each question into a separate thread–there’s really too much to answer succinctly.

But I will try to answer what I can find, in abbreviated form.
  1. Aquina’s view on natural law is supported in the Catechism apparently as a doctrine.
Your sub-question “how do we reconcile ourselves to the fact…” is using weasel words, using the question to assert an undocumented fact to support the question’s premise. You need to give specific instances where (1) the Magisterium has done what you purport and (2) where they are wrong, with theological and scientific proof to support it. As a Catholic, it’s weird that you would question the Magisterium in this way, to me at least.

**I know that Leo XIII and St. Pius X both ordered that Thomism be used as the foundation for all Theological inquiry in the West, and the social theories expounded by 20th century Popes have been based on the Natural Law.

“The idea of the natural law presupposed a concept of nature in which nature and reason overlap, since nature itself is rational. With the victory of the theory of evolution, this view of nature has capsized**: nowadays, we think that nature as such is not rational, even if there is rational behavior in nature.” - Josef Cardinal Ratzinger

thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/is-natural-law-extinct.html

Evidently the incumbent pontiff agrees that the Natural Law as commonly and historically understood has been rendered invalid by current scientific discoveries. I’m just wondering how we square this with the traditional praise of the Natural Law which was (and is) so fundamental to Catholic ethics.
  1. The question uses weasel wording again, stating something as fact without documentation. I can’t answer this question without your source.
It is common knowledge that most professional psychologists and biologists are atheists. In fact, 93% of the National Academy of Sciences is heathen. They are all materialists, who profess no belief in transcendent or immaterial explanations for the consciousness or existence of man, and their non-belief is evidently backed by their own intellectual inquiries and reasoning. Now, if the experts on human consciousness see no room for an immaterial soul, indeed, if they do eventually prove that there is no room for a soul in the workings of the human mind, where does that leave us? I’m not attempting to assert anything, I’m just asking a question.
  1. At least based on this Wikipedia article, both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI saw Father Chardin’s work as insightful–but neither pontiff nor the Magisterium as a whole require any Catholic to support–or even know–about the priest’s work.
What I was asking was, if Chardin’s theory of becoming is found to be acceptable by the current pontiff, which is has been, then how do we reconcile it with original sin? If man is in a constant progress of spiritualization, as Ratzinger seemed to posit in Credo for Today, then that seems to leave little room for the story of the Fall as recorded in Genesis or as it has been traditionally interpreted by almost all preceding generations of Church Fathers and theologians. What is the orthodox Catholic response to this question?
  1. The creation of Adam and Eve as the original parents of men is a dogma of the Church. Catholics are bound to that belief. But we can accept or reject any elements of evolution that support the science that would allow the growth of the human population without an issue. As a Catholic, you should be mindful that you tow a delicate line when you call Scripture solely as “myth.” Doesn’t mean we have to take it as literalistic, but we do accept Scripture for the meaning it gives.
**I’ve heard from my Monsignor that Pius XII in *Humanis Generis ***left the door open for polytheism, and that the CDF actually issued a document permitting such a belief during the 1990’s. While I have been unable to find evidence for either of those assertions, I am fully aware that monogenism as supposedly “required” by the Magisterium has been definitively disproved by evolutionary and genetic research.

As per regarding the majority of scripture as myth, the fact remains that myth can still contain a moral and a spiritual truth, and I want to stress that I’m not in any way denying the *spiritual *innerrancy of scripture. What I’m questioning is the historicity of figures such as Moses and Abraham, of whom we have no literary or archeological evidence prior to the Babylonian exile. By all accounts they appear to be scholarly fabrications meant to bolster Jewish identity in a time of cultural and spiritual crisis. This is evidenced by the fact that the texts themselves contain gross anachronisms and historical innaccuracies, which would be all fine and dandy if the vast majority of believers didn’t regard them as infallible historical fact. But they do. How many sermons and theological treatises produced by the Church contain references to the Patriarchs as if they were real, historical figures who had an actual impact on salvation history? This is more than foolish, it is dangerous. It hurts the credibility of the faith and impedes the proclamation of the true, unencumbered Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the heart of the Church.
  1. OK. Here you are using questions with weasel words almost just to be argumentative or clever. I’m assuming you’re asking purposefully, however.
(cont.)
 
Believe me, I love the Church and only want her to true. Its just there seems to be a lot of needless hesitancy on the Church’s part in shedding some rather primitive views about God and man. While I’m not advocating heresy, I do think we need to seriously re-examine some of our traditional assertions about original sin and salvation history in the light of modern scientific discovery.

The Pope speaks on matters of faith and morals as part of his office, and needs to do so very rarely nowadays as he stands on the shoulders of many predecessors and doctors of the Church that have defined such things over the millennia. As far as slavery goes, perhaps you should do the research, starting with this site and its very extensive collection of supporting documents on the Church’s stance against slavery and the Catechism’s information on where capital punishment may be acceptable in specific instances. You need to provide your sources before simply forming a question and simply making claims without substantiation.

**Those articles both ignore that fact that, spanning from beginning to mid-2nd milennium, Popes permitted, endorsed and sometimes personally engaged in the slave trade. I have to go and don’t have the time to drag up the references, but its easily accessible o wikipedia. Our history isn’t as clear cut as many apologists make it out to be. **

I hope this gets you started.

Thank you! I appreciate the help.
 
What I was asking was, if Chardin’s theory of becoming is found to be acceptable by the current pontiff, which is has been, then how do we reconcile it with original sin? If man is in a constant progress of spiritualization, as Ratzinger seemed to posit in Credo for Today, then that seems to leave little room for the story of the Fall as recorded in Genesis or as it has been traditionally interpreted by almost all preceding generations of Church Fathers and theologians. What is the orthodox Catholic response to this question?
I don’t know what the orthodox response is but perhaps in Chardin sin is resistance to God’s plan.
 
  1. …accept the theory of Natural Law as propounded by Aquinas? If not, how do we reconcile ourselves to the fact that multiple Popes have ordered that a possibly erroneous theory be used as the basis for all Catholic social teaching?
  2. …assent to the existence of a wholly immaterial soul which is created individually by God at the moment of conception? If so, how does Catholicism go about reconciling the reality of the soul with modern advances in neuroscience and biology which (according to the mainstream scientific community) sufficiently explain all areas of human consciousness?
  3. …repudate Chardinianism in full? If not, how do we reconcile his “theory of becoming” (which has been evidently accepted by the Holy Father) with the purported reality of the Fall, and, therefore, that of original sin and redemption?
  4. …accept the historical reality of Adam and Eve, Abraham, Moses and all pre-Babylonian scriptural figures? If not, how can we reconcile the largely mythological character of salvation history with the assertion that the Christian God is an acting God, who intervenes in the history of man in a real and tangible way?
  5. …accept as authoritative every statement of Popes regarding faith or morals as binding? If so, how can we explain the radical changes in Church teaching on slavery (which was ordered by Nicholas V and banned, under penalty of excommunication, by Gregory XVI) and the death penalty (which was practiced and defended by the Bishops of Rome from time immemorial until the pontificate of John Paul II)?
As a living being with free will, one does not “have” to do anything. One must realize, however, that there are consequences for those things one chooses to do or not do.

Our creator desires our presence with Him for eternity. He has described some consequences for some behaviors. He has given us commands and a Church to guide us in making the decisions that will lead us to heaven. He has set before you life and death, choose wisely.
 
I see a number of false dichotomies here.
  1. …accept the theory of Natural Law as propounded by Aquinas? If not, how do we reconcile ourselves to the fact that multiple Popes have ordered that a possibly erroneous theory be used as the basis for all Catholic social teaching?
Natural Law is useful for teaching Catholic morality to non-Christians and those more ready for the philosophical approach. The particular moral issues are also adequately addressed through Scripture and Tradition. Natural Law is convenient for exploring “new” issues that could not have been directly addressed in Scripture or Tradition such as IVF.
  1. …assent to the existence of a wholly immaterial soul which is created individually by God at the moment of conception? If so, how does Catholicism go about reconciling the reality of the soul with modern advances in neuroscience and biology which (according to the mainstream scientific community) sufficiently explain all areas of human consciousness?
Neuroscience and biology can only deal with what is material. The immaterial (spiritual) soul breathed into us by God is out of scope for science.
  1. …repudate Chardinianism in full? If not, how do we reconcile his “theory of becoming” (which has been evidently accepted by the Holy Father) with the purported reality of the Fall, and, therefore, that of original sin and redemption?
(had to look that one up - even still, my response is rudimentary)
It is not necessary to contradict every single point and support offered by an objectionable theory. Copernicus and Galileo were wrong in asserting that the Earth revolves around the Sun in perfect circles. The incorrectness of the second part does not require rejection of the first. Similarly, because Chardin is wrong in his conclusion does not necessitate that every point he made be rejected.
  1. …accept the historical reality of Adam and Eve, Abraham, Moses and all pre-Babylonian scriptural figures? If not, how can we reconcile the largely mythological character of salvation history with the assertion that the Christian God is an acting God, who intervenes in the history of man in a real and tangible way?
There is a difference between fact and truth. The truth of the Fall does not depend on persons named Adam and Eve living in a Mesopotamian paradise exactly 6000 years ago. As time progresses through biblical history, it becomes less legendary and more historic. Its conveyance of truth remains constant throughout, however.
  1. …accept as authoritative every statement of Popes regarding faith or morals as binding? If so, how can we explain the radical changes in Church teaching on slavery (which was ordered by Nicholas V and banned, under penalty of excommunication, by Gregory XVI) and the death penalty (which was practiced and defended by the Bishops of Rome from time immemorial until the pontificate of John Paul II)?
In the early history of the Church, slavery was simply a societal phenomenon. Since slaves tended to be captured former enemies, the institution was probably preferable to simply executing the losers. Early statements on slavery tended to deal with how slaves should be treated rather than whether they should be enslaved at all. It is only when Gregory XVI addressed the issue that the morality of the institution came up. That question simply had not been answered before. So just because a later pope condemns an institution that earlier popes had issued regulations on does not mean they contradicted each other.
 
**I’ve heard from my Monsignor that Pius XII in *Humanis Generis ***left the door open for polytheism, and that the CDF actually issued a document permitting such a belief during the 1990’s… . .

Either your Monsignor meant to say or you meant to write “polygenism” - NOT polytheism.
 
**Believe me, I love the Church and only want her to true. Its just there seems to be a lot of needless hesitancy on the Church’s part in shedding some rather primitive views about God and man. While I’m not advocating heresy, I do think we need to seriously re-examine some of our traditional assertions about original sin and salvation history in the light of modern scientific discovery. **
Because of the ban in this formum, you can take your questions regarding modern scientific discoveries to the Back Fence Forum and this thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=478146

Don’t worry about being off topic. It is very easy for me to relate most questions regarding Adam and original sin to the topic and open up new discussions at the same time. If something is too far removed, it is easy to direct the question back to another forum.

Note: It is very important to follow the guidelines linked in post 1. We cannot wander off into other religious issues but rather we need to stick to our first parents and their human nature which subsequently became ours.

Blessings,
granny

Our first parent Adam was the apple of God’s eye.
(example of reality and figurative language)
 
Basic Catholic teaching regarding Adam and Original Sin is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.

The good news of Jesus Christ follows in Paragraph 422, etc.

One can put the word paragraph and its number in the Catechism’s search bar in link www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
Entering topics, like Adam, is also very useful.

When you enter a paragraph number, like “paragraph 355”, and then click on the opening line, CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 355 you will see the following under the paragraph:

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