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jfallaw
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Oh and I forgot to ask, when’s the last time you went to the Temple?
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Rightlydivide
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How did you know my name was Jack???
That is strange.
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Rightlydivide
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We do not have to go the temple, there were no Gentile believers at this time as you would see if you would look at and read the scripture.
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Rightlydivide
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No one denies the very first Christians were Jewish, living in Jerusalem but thankfully, for me, the gospel spread and in his mercy it was given to us Gentiles as well. You have to look at the scriptures to see what the church looked like at THIS particular time.
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Has anyone asked if Rightlydivide’s small bible-believing church follows the “be fruitful and multiply” part of the bible?
Is his church preaching aginst Onan’s sin?
Is his church preaching aginst Onan’s sin?
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jfallaw
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Rightlydivide;3 said:
You still managed to avoid every single single point, but, ok.
yes, I forgot the Bible does not specifically state whether any of the three thousand people who were added that day were Gentiles… but let’s read further, shall we? And then, when I have refuted all your previous posts, I will proceed to debate further on whatever new ideas you throw out.
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lukewarm
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One thing I’m pretty certain of is God doesn’t care about any of these things. Talk about scrupulous, you’re missing the entire point if you’re focusing on peoples hair or headcoverings.
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Rightlydivide
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yes, i have been asked that before, and I said that I have never asked anyone about birth control and whether they use it, I know there are two families with more than 8 kids, so…at least some are not it appears. I have also discussed Onan before and all of that.
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Rightlydivide
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For quite some time, as you know, the Catholic church had the same beliefs concerning head coverings, but I am not focusing on it, I am quoting scripture. I had not discussed this thread in a month or so, someone else resurrected it, so I to say that I am “focusing” as opposed to discussing it is inaccurate.
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Oh, and as for ignoring questions, you have not given a single direct answer to most of the questions posed to you. For instance, take the question asked of you here:
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I do believe the Bible is self interpreting when people do not come into with preconceived notions.
Where is this found in the Bible?
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Where is this found in the Bible?
*The word scripture is used 31 times. When you look at all of the examples, absolutely none of them point to Catholicism. The vast majority are quoted and understood. There are no scriptural examples of a powerful magisterium led by a bishop in Rome getting to decide these things.
I could go back over this more, but I’m really sick of reading it. Oh and I know you will say that because nothing you said was ‘exactly, word for word’ as i phrased it, then you really didn’t say it at all. I’m used to that from sola scripturists. I went to a ‘non-denominational, fundamentalist, evangelical protestant’ church for years and years, and I studied at RHEMA, too. (And you have the arrogant nerve to tell me to read the Bible!) I know all the tricks, I know all the arguments, I know all the cherry-picked verses, I know all the happy, feel-good ways in which we can all twist the Bible to conform to our lives, instead of changing our lives to follow the Bible. It was only after years of scriptural, theological, and historical study that I finally decided to make God, not the Bible, first and foremost in my life. Once I made that decision I was able to read the Bible without all of my protestant tendency to ‘interpret’ anything that convicted me in a way that almost (but never completely) extinguished the fires of guilt that burned in me from knowing in my heart that I was spitting on God by treating His Word with such contempt as to think that it was some personal message just to me to be used (and abused) as I saw fit. And once I started reading the Bible in that spirit, it immediately and clearly led me to the Church established by the living Word. I would also like to point out that throughout this thread you have been quite sarcastic and arrogant, and it is obvious to everyone that you are only here to spread discord (clearly un-Biblical), and so I must wish you a rather stern ‘good day!’. I admire the restraint of my betters on this forum, but I simply am still too protestant to turn the other cheek. I’m working on it, though!
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I do believe the Bible is self interpreting when people do not come into with preconceived notions.
Where is this found in the Bible?
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Where is this found in the Bible?
*The word scripture is used 31 times. When you look at all of the examples, absolutely none of them point to Catholicism. The vast majority are quoted and understood. There are no scriptural examples of a powerful magisterium led by a bishop in Rome getting to decide these things.
I could go back over this more, but I’m really sick of reading it. Oh and I know you will say that because nothing you said was ‘exactly, word for word’ as i phrased it, then you really didn’t say it at all. I’m used to that from sola scripturists. I went to a ‘non-denominational, fundamentalist, evangelical protestant’ church for years and years, and I studied at RHEMA, too. (And you have the arrogant nerve to tell me to read the Bible!) I know all the tricks, I know all the arguments, I know all the cherry-picked verses, I know all the happy, feel-good ways in which we can all twist the Bible to conform to our lives, instead of changing our lives to follow the Bible. It was only after years of scriptural, theological, and historical study that I finally decided to make God, not the Bible, first and foremost in my life. Once I made that decision I was able to read the Bible without all of my protestant tendency to ‘interpret’ anything that convicted me in a way that almost (but never completely) extinguished the fires of guilt that burned in me from knowing in my heart that I was spitting on God by treating His Word with such contempt as to think that it was some personal message just to me to be used (and abused) as I saw fit. And once I started reading the Bible in that spirit, it immediately and clearly led me to the Church established by the living Word. I would also like to point out that throughout this thread you have been quite sarcastic and arrogant, and it is obvious to everyone that you are only here to spread discord (clearly un-Biblical), and so I must wish you a rather stern ‘good day!’. I admire the restraint of my betters on this forum, but I simply am still too protestant to turn the other cheek. I’m working on it, though!
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It was not even close to word for word as I phrased it. It was a distortion of what I believe. You decided to resurrect this thread and then use profanity and get upset when I do not agree with you.
But you have made so many scriptural mistakes. You asked about Gentiles going to the Temple when that never occured. You speak of the church in early Acts like it included Gentile believers prior to Peter’s vision several chapters later. You ask about use ignoring parts when Acts 15 clearly shows what Gentile Christians were to follow.
Fundamentalist AND evangelical, those are two distinct groups.
No you do not or you would not have made the mistakes you did.
It completely changed my life and it has millions of others. And yes, I am quite happy, I do not spend my time at work cursing at people or not doing what I am supposed to be doing to get mad at people who disagree with me.
Your actions, compared to the charitable Catholics, are not impressive and those your claims are not impressive.
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The only sarcasm I can think of is when you called me Jack, and I did throw a little humor about Clovis…but…Clovis IS kind of funny smile
I an not here to spread discord, you resurrected the thread, do not blame me.
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jfallaw
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It was not even close to word for word as I phrased it. It was a distortion of what I believe. You decided to resurrect this thread and then use profanity and get upset when I do not agree with you.
I didn’t resurrect anything; I told you I would give you an answer and I did. And tell me how it is a distortion? When taken IN CONTEXT with your words IN ENTIRETY (much like verses from the Bible should be) your beliefs are as plain as day to those not trained to look for just bits and pieces.
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I’m used to that from sola scripturists. I went to a ‘non-denominational, fundamentalist, evangelical protestant’ church for years and years, and I studied at RHEMA, too. (And you have the arrogant nerve to tell me to read the Bible!)
But you have made so many scriptural mistakes. You asked about Gentiles going to the Temple when that never occurred. You speak of the church in early Acts like it included Gentile believers prior to Peter’s vision several chapters later. You ask about use ignoring parts when Acts 15 clearly shows what Gentile Christians were to follow.(Clearly? Well, yes: avoid pollution from idols, unlawful marriage, the meat of strangled animals, and blood. Period. Bible not mentioned. Hmmm… Guess you are still wrong
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You think? Yes, I know the Bible backward and forward, but there has to be a simple method of finding out how much YOU know about it. Viola! I admit I was impressed to find that you were not simply repeating the tired nonsense I’m used to, but actually seemed to be serious about the Bible. I know so many ‘Bible-thumpers’ who don’t even know a a single verse that wasn’t cherry-picked and polished with explicit instructions on how to use it. But I still don’t see any examples of how YOU do everything the ‘Acts Christians’ did. In fact at one point you claimed you do not speak in tongues. But Paul said he would like all of us to do it, just as it’s his *opinion *that men should not have long hair. You obviously don’t follow the Bible either, so there.
Fundamentalist AND evangelical, those are two distinct groups.
Tell that to my church, which LITERALLY called itself an evangelical, fundamentalist, spirit-filled church’!
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I know all the tricks, I know all the arguments, I know all the cherry-picked verses,
No you do not or you would not have made the mistakes you did.
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I know all the happy, feel-good ways in which we can all twist the Bible to conform to our lives, instead of changing our lives to follow the Bible.
It completely changed my life and it has millions of others. And yes, I am quite happy, I do not spend my time at work cursing at people or not doing what I am supposed to be doing to get mad at people who disagree with me.
calling you a jackass is simply telling the truth.I don’t want to go back and find it all again, but things like dismissing a comment because the poster doesn’t have a good grasp of English grammar (not everyone here is American) and then outright ridiculing him for it, are most certainly rude and sarcastic and I would imagine a better use of your time. Oh but I forgot, “this is fun!” and “I always feel great after getting out of church!” almost always follow self-righteous, condescending remarks among your kind.
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It was only after years of scriptural, theological, and historical study that I finally decided to make God, not the Bible, first and foremost in my life.
Your actions, compared to the charitable Catholics, are not impressive and those your claims are not impressive.
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I’m not here to impress anyone, JACK*
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I would also like to point out that throughout this thread you have been quite sarcastic and arrogant
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The only sarcasm I can think of is when you called me Jack, and I did throw a little humor about Clovis…but…Clovis IS kind of funny smile
I don’t want to go back and find it all again, but things like dismissing a comment because the poster doesn’t have a good grasp of English grammar (not everyone here is American) and then outright ridiculing him for it, are most certainly rude and sarcastic and I would imagine a better use of your time. Oh but I forgot, “this is fun!” and “I always feel great after getting out of church!” almost always follow self-righteous, condescending remarks among your kind.
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and it is obvious to everyone that you are only here to spread discord (clearly un-Biblical), and so I must wish you a rather stern ‘good day!’. I admire the restraint of my betters on this forum, but I simply am still too protestant to turn the other cheek. I’m working on it, though!
I an not here to spread discord, you resurrected the thread, do not blame me.
Once again you outright lie. I told you to expect an answer, I didn’t ‘resurrect’ anything justfor lil ol you.
I didn’t resurrect anything; I told you I would give you an answer and I did. And tell me how it is a distortion? When taken IN CONTEXT with your words IN ENTIRETY (much like verses from the Bible should be) your beliefs are as plain as day to those not trained to look for just bits and pieces.
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I’m used to that from sola scripturists. I went to a ‘non-denominational, fundamentalist, evangelical protestant’ church for years and years, and I studied at RHEMA, too. (And you have the arrogant nerve to tell me to read the Bible!)
But you have made so many scriptural mistakes. You asked about Gentiles going to the Temple when that never occurred. You speak of the church in early Acts like it included Gentile believers prior to Peter’s vision several chapters later. You ask about use ignoring parts when Acts 15 clearly shows what Gentile Christians were to follow.(Clearly? Well, yes: avoid pollution from idols, unlawful marriage, the meat of strangled animals, and blood. Period. Bible not mentioned. Hmmm… Guess you are still wrong
),You think? Yes, I know the Bible backward and forward, but there has to be a simple method of finding out how much YOU know about it. Viola! I admit I was impressed to find that you were not simply repeating the tired nonsense I’m used to, but actually seemed to be serious about the Bible. I know so many ‘Bible-thumpers’ who don’t even know a a single verse that wasn’t cherry-picked and polished with explicit instructions on how to use it. But I still don’t see any examples of how YOU do everything the ‘Acts Christians’ did. In fact at one point you claimed you do not speak in tongues. But Paul said he would like all of us to do it, just as it’s his *opinion *that men should not have long hair. You obviously don’t follow the Bible either, so there.
Fundamentalist AND evangelical, those are two distinct groups.
Tell that to my church, which LITERALLY called itself an evangelical, fundamentalist, spirit-filled church’!
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I know all the tricks, I know all the arguments, I know all the cherry-picked verses,
No you do not or you would not have made the mistakes you did.
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I know all the happy, feel-good ways in which we can all twist the Bible to conform to our lives, instead of changing our lives to follow the Bible.
It completely changed my life and it has millions of others. And yes, I am quite happy, I do not spend my time at work cursing at people or not doing what I am supposed to be doing to get mad at people who disagree with me.
calling you a jackass is simply telling the truth.I don’t want to go back and find it all again, but things like dismissing a comment because the poster doesn’t have a good grasp of English grammar (not everyone here is American) and then outright ridiculing him for it, are most certainly rude and sarcastic and I would imagine a better use of your time. Oh but I forgot, “this is fun!” and “I always feel great after getting out of church!” almost always follow self-righteous, condescending remarks among your kind.
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It was only after years of scriptural, theological, and historical study that I finally decided to make God, not the Bible, first and foremost in my life.
Your actions, compared to the charitable Catholics, are not impressive and those your claims are not impressive.
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I’m not here to impress anyone, JACK*
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I would also like to point out that throughout this thread you have been quite sarcastic and arrogant
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The only sarcasm I can think of is when you called me Jack, and I did throw a little humor about Clovis…but…Clovis IS kind of funny smile
I don’t want to go back and find it all again, but things like dismissing a comment because the poster doesn’t have a good grasp of English grammar (not everyone here is American) and then outright ridiculing him for it, are most certainly rude and sarcastic and I would imagine a better use of your time. Oh but I forgot, “this is fun!” and “I always feel great after getting out of church!” almost always follow self-righteous, condescending remarks among your kind.
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and it is obvious to everyone that you are only here to spread discord (clearly un-Biblical), and so I must wish you a rather stern ‘good day!’. I admire the restraint of my betters on this forum, but I simply am still too protestant to turn the other cheek. I’m working on it, though!
I an not here to spread discord, you resurrected the thread, do not blame me.
Once again you outright lie. I told you to expect an answer, I didn’t ‘resurrect’ anything justfor lil ol you.
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jfallaw
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Jackass.
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jmcrae
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This sort of language is unbecoming of a good Catholic. If you can’t debate without losing your temper, then it is better not to debate.
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Rachel_Malloy
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Please remember your charity or this thread will be closed.
Thank you and God Bless.
Thank you and God Bless.
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Rightlydivide
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The thread was dormat for a month, you resurrected it.
Not sure what this meansBible not mentioned. Hmmm… Guess you are still wrong
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I do not. I have never been given that gift. You see tongues is speaking in a foreign language and having someone interpret it. A real languge, not learned gibberish. There is no such thing as a private prayer language in an unknown tongue. It is always a foreign language and its only value is when it is interpreted. If the Holy Spirit causes me to speak in Dutch and a Dutchman is standing next to me, its not like I would resist it.
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peary
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We live in the 21st century, not the 1st. Things change.
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Rightlydivide
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I had not studied it much, I looked into it some a couple of weeks ago and I think the verse referenced in the OT refers more to a sin of disobedience.
The people that I have heard speak about it are adamently opposed to condoms and NFP. I understand their perspective better than I do those who adhere to only NFP.
It gets into the convenants and dispensations and what applies to whom as well.
I do not agree with abortion or things that could kill anything already formed.
But overall, the matter is not applicable to me and I think it would be up to Christians to decide whether or not to use condoms or NFP if the situation was applicable to them.
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