Do Catholics support the re-building of Iraq?

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I’m glad to hear everyone being so charitable towards the Iraqis. Has anyone who answered considered going to Iraq and establish or join a charity mission there? Or are prayers and/or financial donations enough to satisfy your moral obiligation?
You seem to imply that prayer and donations are of little value, or that we are just trying to buy off our obligations as cheaply as possible. This is a cheap shot. Try to assume a little better of people you disagree with. “Charity in serving others” applies to this forum as well.

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You seem to imply that prayer and donations are of little value, or that we are just trying to buy off our obligations as cheaply as possible.
This is exactly what I am saying, and I don’t care if you think it’s a cheap shot. I get the feeling folks on this forum assume the high and mighty position of believing you are doing something to satisfy a nagging guilt to “do something”, and that God will give you points for sending a used t-shirt.

As for prayers, do you think the Iraqis aren’t praying, or are praying to the wrong God for help? If an armed man broke into your house and you called the police for help, how would you feel if the dispatcher said he would pray for your safety?

I don’t mind re-building Iraq, but after the shooting has stopped and the Iraqis accept the offer. Until then you’re wasting your time.
 
Redbandito is using his wife as an excuse to avoid his moral calling. What are her suggestions to help?
No, he’s not using her as an “excuse”. When Catholics marry, we are called to serve our families. To leave our families for any other obligation would be a sin.
 
No, he’s not using her as an “excuse”. When Catholics marry, we are called to serve our families. To leave our families for any other obligation would be a sin.
How is leaving your family to fight in Iraq different from leaving your family on a business trip? Both provide for the family while benefiting society as a whole. Perhaps you could provide the source of your claim.
 
How is leaving your family to fight in Iraq different from leaving your family on a business trip? Both provide for the family while benefiting society as a whole. Perhaps you could provide the source of your claim.
Because as Catholics we are called to love and respect our spouses. A husband going away on a business trip is one thing. A husband totally disregarding his wife’s concerns for his safety and well being, and future ability to provide for his family are two VERY different things.

I’m not as familiar with the articles in the Catechism, but I’m SURE that some of folks around here ARE and can site the sources for me.
 
Because as Catholics we are called to love and respect our spouses. A husband going away on a business trip is one thing. A husband totally disregarding his wife’s concerns for his safety and well being, and future ability to provide for his family are two VERY different things.
Sorry I don’t buy this. Please provide the source for your claim that a husband must obey his wife if she suspects he is placing himself in danger. If you’re Catholic you should know that you shouldn’t cite church teachings without verifiable support, otherwise you risk inviting superstition in mis-interpretation.
 
Straight from the Catechism of the Catholic Church as per the Vatican website:

372 Man and woman were made “for each other” - not that God left them half-made and incomplete: he created them to be a communion of persons, in which each can be “helpmate” to the other, for they are equal as persons (“bone of my bones. . .”) and complementary as masculine and feminine. In marriage God unites them in such a way that, by forming “one flesh”,245 they can transmit human life: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth."246 By transmitting human life to their descendants, man and woman as spouses and parents cooperate in a unique way in the Creator’s work.247
 
IsMiseSteise,
And how does this mean that one couldn’t be married and serve others in Iraq? I was married with children when I volunteered. My spouse and children were well aware and willing to sacrifice so that I could help. My ex husband knew I would have been gone for 13 mos maximum and he was ok with it because he knew they needed help.

Personally I think it is a selfish thing and an excuse too.
 
IsMiseSteise,
And how does this mean that one couldn’t be married and serve others in Iraq? I was married with children when I volunteered. My spouse and children were well aware and willing to sacrifice so that I could help. My ex husband knew I would have been gone for 13 mos maximum and he was ok with it because he knew they needed help.

Personally I think it is a selfish thing and an excuse too.
Ask the poster whose wife didn’t agree with him going. Every relationship is different. He is following his wife’s wishes to keep the peace at home. I didn’t say that it was wrong/right/what-not.
 
Do Catholics support the re-building of Iraq? Why give money to build a foreign nation full of people following an entirely different religion which also persecutes Catholics?
Taoist,

Jesus commanded us to love our enemies, bless those who curse us, and pray for those who persecute us. St. Paul also said “If your enemy is hungry, give him food; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for in so doing, you will heap coals of burning fire on his head.”
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This is exactly what I am saying, and I don’t care if you think it’s a cheap shot. I get the feeling folks on this forum assume the high and mighty position of believing you are doing something to satisfy a nagging guilt to “do something”, and that God will give you points for sending a used t-shirt.

As for prayers, do you think the Iraqis aren’t praying, or are praying to the wrong God for help? If an armed man broke into your house and you called the police for help, how would you feel if the dispatcher said he would pray for your safety?

I don’t mind re-building Iraq, but after the shooting has stopped and the Iraqis accept the offer. Until then you’re wasting your time.
For what it’s worth, I agree with you. Do you live in Iraq, or what’s left of it?

CDL
 
hey toaist,

how bout this scenario? your a different belief right? obviously.
a guy with an army comes into your town and makes a mess and destroys it. your unbearable leader is gone. you have been relieved of a terrible dictator. but, your town in shambles.
the people want the mess cleaned up by the the man who rid you of the dictator. do you sit back and wait for him to clean up the mess or do you do it yourself? why wouldn’t we support the rebuilding of iraq? bush led an army in there, and its his responsibility to clean up the mess. i imagine the iraqi people will help, but ultimately, in my opinion, its his responsibility to
clean up the mess he made. as a Catholic, i do support the rebuilding of iraq, but i think its bush’s responsibility to clean it up.
 
Do Catholics support the re-building of Iraq? Why give money to build a foreign nation full of people following an entirely different religion which also persecutes Catholics?
Firstly, I think we, as a Catholic community should fully support the re-building of Iraq, as long as it is not about a small group of people making a shed load of money out of Iraqi misfortune.

Secondly, I do not condone or agree in anyway with the destroying of Iraq we did prior to any rebuilding.

Thirdly, Iraq contains Catholics, but most of all, it contains people.

Fourthly, the best way to avoid conflict is to demonstrate solidarity in love and common value for the basics of life.
 
Do Catholics support the re-building of Iraq? Why give money to build a foreign nation full of people following an entirely different religion which also persecutes Catholics?
i would like to know where you get your info about the Catholic Church & its history. I read another one of your posts (which for some reason ican’t find right now). You say the papacy wasn’t established till the tenth century and that eternal life was promised to people in exchange for… whatever…
I get the feeling you get your info from a non-Catholic source…
 
Marilena, the US didn’t clean up Vietnam, how do you feel about that? Also, would you trust the guy who intentionally broke your house to properly fix it, or would you just want him to leave so you could fix it without interference?

GregoryPalamas, I live in California, and although I have not been directly affected by the war, it weighs heavy on my heart what is being done in the name of freedom, democracy, and America’s credibility. As a student of history I am sick of man’s inhumanity to man and the latest unnecesary demonstration of it.

FightingFat, I couldn’t agree more.

contramundum7, you’ve mistaken me for someone else.
 
GregoryPalamas, I live in California, and although I have not been directly affected by the war, it weighs heavy on my heart what is being done in the name of freedom, democracy, and America’s credibility. As a student of history I am sick of man’s inhumanity to man and the latest unnecesary demonstration of it.
I’m rather disappointed in your answer. I thought for sure that by contributing as a Taoist you would have some insightful answer. Are you disappointed in the West’s response to Islamic aggression for the last 1300 years? It would be nice if we no longer had to defend ourselves. I had hoped that you had some Taoist way of doing this? I guess not.

CDL
 
I’m rather disappointed in your answer. I thought for sure that by contributing as a Taoist you would have some insightful answer.
What was your question?
Are you disappointed in the West’s response to Islamic aggression for the last 1300 years? It would be nice if we no longer had to defend ourselves. I had hoped that you had some Taoist way of doing this? I guess not.
You’ve lost me. Islamic aggression against who? Defend ourselves from who? Taoist way of doing what?
 
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