Do Catholics teach and believe the Last Supper was propitiatory?

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rcwitness said:
Jesus knew what was going to happen. He already told them what was going to happen.

Matt. 16
From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.

You are asking if Jesus would have been wrong? Or if He did not need to die? That’s not a reasonable question.

Partaking of His sacrifice in His Body and Blood is how we keep ourselves in Him and He in us. It is just like the Israelites when they were sustained by the Manna in the wilderness.

You are mixing things up, and so your question shows a misunderstanding. Jesus’s flesh and blood accomplished Reconciliation with God and man. He did this through suffering many hardships, including the ultimate necessary death.

It’s like me asking you, when did Jesus become our savior, when He died? The Sacraments pour out from His bodily Person. His bodily Person is one with the Spirit.

The Last Supper was a paricipation in His Holy body and blood, which would merit the forgiveness of sins. When Jesus told people their sins were forgiven them, when we’re they forgiven them? Did He mean they aren’t yet? Did it mean they didn’t need Baptism or to participate in Communion?

The Sacraments are the obedience, on our part, of belief in Jesus and His commands. Do you remember when Peter tried to refuse Jesus from washing His feet?

Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me.”

Did Jesus mean at that moment only? Or did that moment mean more than just that moment?
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Hi rc, hope it is ok if I interject here for my own clarification. Why isn’t the washing of feet part of Mass since the Last Supper was the first Mass? Are you indicating that washing feet is a Sacrament?
 
Peter_J said:
Go to a Holy Thursday mass. 👍
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I know it happens then but why not every Mass. With the bread and wine Jesus said “do this in remembrance of me” and with the footwashing “you ought to do this”.

Should we not take it all literally?
 
Wannano said:
I know it happens then but why not every Mass. With the bread and wine Jesus said “do this in remembrance of me” and with the footwashing “you ought to do this”.

Should we not take it all literally?
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I think that would be a pretty extensive conversation. But let me just say I don’t know any Christians who take every statement in the Gospel literally.

P.S. well, I have met some who define literal to mean “What the author intended.” So I guess they could say that they take every verse literally. :rolleyes: 😉
 
Peter_J said:
I think that would be a pretty extensive conversation. But let me just say I don’t know any Christians who take every statement in the Gospel literally.

P.S. well, I have met some who define literal to mean “What the author intended.” So I guess they could say that they take every verse literally. :rolleyes: 😉
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Soooooo…then, how can I say that what my church takes literally and yours does not makes my church right and yours wrong? If our core beliefs of who Jesus is, was, and what he did for us is the same then does how we literally experience our relationship with him( though mine might be different than yours) make one experience and practice right and the other wrong. Or does Jesus meet us and work with us where we are and neither of us are worthy enough to look down our nose at the other? If Jesus accepts both of us, who are we to determine that the other is false?
 
Wannano said:
Hi rc, hope it is ok if I interject here for my own clarification. Why isn’t the washing of feet part of Mass since the Last Supper was the first Mass? Are you indicating that washing feet is a Sacrament?
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The simple answer is that it is not a Tradition to do so. We recognize Tradition as necessary to know how we should approach and worship God. Why do you not observe it before Communion?

As Peter mentioned, we do impliment the practice into the annual observance, but it’s not manditory for all.

My point is that obeying Christ’s commands is a condition of receiving the forgiveness of sins. Restricting the Sacrifice to the moment of time of the death of Jesus, is contrary to the fact that the “once for all” nature of it.
 
Wannano said:
Soooooo…then, how can I say that what my church takes literally and yours does not makes my church right and yours wrong? If our core beliefs of who Jesus is, was, and what he did for us is the same then does how we literally experience our relationship with him( though mine might be different than yours) make one experience and practice right and the other wrong. Or does Jesus meet us and work with us where we are and neither of us are worthy enough to look down our nose at the other? If Jesus accepts both of us, who are we to determine that the other is false?
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Well I don’t think either of us believes that a literal interpretation is automatically right (or automatically wrong) … I don’t get your above post.
 
alwayswill said:
I know Catholics believe the Mass is propitiatory:

but what about the Last Supper?

Was the wrath of God appeased at the Last Supper?
Do Catholics teach and believe the Last Supper was propitiatory?
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The “Last Supper” WAS the first Mass:thumbsup:
 
AW, now that all these posts have been posted I’d like to ask: do statements from random Catholics like myself give you something that official church documents do not?
 
Peter_J said:
AW, now that all these posts have been posted I’d like to ask: do statements from random Catholics like myself give you something that official church documents do not?
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Hey, are you trying to put us out of a job here!?!?! 😉
 
alwayswill said:
I know Catholics believe the Mass is propitiatory:

but what about the Last Supper?

Was the wrath of God appeased at the Last Supper?
Do Catholics teach and believe the Last Supper was propitiatory?
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Let me try to answer you by asking you a question. Do you think the Last Supper would have happened the way it did without the impending Cross?

Keep in mind Jesus had 33 years of suppers that were not His last.
 
Peter_J said:
AW, now that all these posts have been posted I’d like to ask: do statements from random Catholics like myself give you something that official church documents do not?
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Yes, entertainment!😃

Is random Catholic even one of the kinds there are? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Peter_J said:
Well I don’t think either of us believes that a literal interpretation is automatically right (or automatically wrong) … I don’t get your above post.
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Hmmm, basically I am asking if the two of us can have a relationship with Christ that is different because of our own understanding and yet each has an authentic relationship?
 
Wannano said:
Hmmm, basically I am asking if the two of us can have a relationship with Christ that is different because of our own understanding and yet each has an authentic relationship?
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Certainly!
 
Wannano said:
Hmmm, basically I am asking if the two of us can have a relationship with Christ that is different because of our own understanding and yet each has an authentic relationship?
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Remember, Judas had a relationship with Jesus. An Authentic Catholic Christian should not allow his own understanding to cause a division from the One table of the Lord. And whoever partakes of the One bread of Jesus, should have a clean conscience before God.
 
rcwitness said:
Remember, Judas had a relationship with Jesus. An Authentic Catholic Christian should not allow his own understanding to cause a division from the One table of the Lord. And whoever partakes of the One bread of Jesus, should have a clean conscience before God.
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Interesting is it not, that they all asked “is it I?”
 
Wannano said:
Hi rc, hope it is ok if I interject here for my own clarification. Why isn’t the washing of feet part of Mass since the Last Supper was the first Mass? Are you indicating that washing feet is a Sacrament?
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Hi. The washing of the feet and the Last Supper were two different things thus putting them together would maybe complicate the mass itself.

This does not mean that the washing of the feet is not important in the life of a Christian; it is in fact being done during the Holy Thursday mass when longer time is given for this purpose.

But the message of the mass is simple - it is about the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary and his resurrection. And that we have to eat his body and drink his blood to have life, and to be one with him, which is the single most important message in Christianity.

The washing of the feet is about service and it has the last word as Catholics come out of the mass, when the celebrant would say, “The mass is ended. Go to love and serve the Lord.”

Catholics would be better equipped to go into the world to serve God after having been in communion with him in their bodies and souls in the Eucharist.
 
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