Do Christians and Moslems Worship the Same God?

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I have recently got into an arguement with someone at school over this question. I totally believe that we do not. Though their concept of Allah is very close to our God, Yahweh, and comes from many of the same orgins I do not believe that they are the same. Read Galatians 1:8. Saint Paul talks about these false teachers and angels who reveal such. To me it is of Lucifer. I was wondering what the Catholic Church’s position on this is. Could someone please tell me in detail? God speed.
 
Long and short of it–yes, we worship the same God. Where we don’t agree is the nature of God.
 
The Catholic Church teaches that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.

From the Vatican II document Nostra Aetate
  1. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
(emphasis added)

This has been debated a number of times on these forums.
 
839 “Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.”[325]
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,[326] “the first to hear the Word of God.”[327] The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,[328] “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”[329]
840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]
 
Let me get this straight. So we worship the same God, but we have different view points? Also, does this not make them heretics (especially in the eyes of the Catholic Church)? God speed.
 
The Catholic Church teaches that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.

From the Vatican II document Nostra Aetate

(emphasis added)

This has been debated a number of times on these forums.
Thank you, Atsheeran! 👍 Catholics and Muslims do indeed worship the same God. There is only one God.

Please allow me to take the liberty of adding this clarification: as Catholics, we believe, with the certitude of the one true Faith, that we worship God adequately, whereas we also believe, with the same certitude, that our Muslim brothers and sisters worship God, but inadequately.

I say this because we Catholics know that there are Three Divine Persons in the one God, and that the Second Divine Person became man two thousand years ago to redeem the human race and to establish the Catholic Church as the means of salvation. Our brothers and sisters in Islam are not yet aware of these truths.

It is our obligation as Catholics to make all non-Christians aware of the truths of the Blessed Trinity and the Incarnation by spreading the Faith (*CCC *849-856)–without watering it down, but also “with love, prudence and patience” (CCC 2104).

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
Greetings all,

Just a little f.y.i. Vigis, in case you might not have known, the arabic translation of the Bible translates Theos (God in english) as Allah. I say this just because I’ve known a number of people who say they don’t worship the same God as us because of the name “Allah.”
 
Let me get this straight. So we worship the same God, but we have different view points? Also, does this not make them heretics (especially in the eyes of the Catholic Church)? God speed.
If they are heretics (I can’t say for sure), I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be actual heretics, but material heretics. This is a distinction my priest once made when we were discussing Martin Luther and the other reformers v. protestants of today. Whereas the 16th century reformers were actual heretics because they actively rejected the Catholic faith they were brought up with and created new protestant christian churches, most protestants of today were brought up protestant in families that have been protestant for 500 years, thus, they never had a chance to have the fullness of truth and then reject it. They are material heretics. It would be a similar case with most Muslims, who’ve been raised in their faith. The difference between the actuals and materials is that the former may be in far greater danger of eternal damnation, whereas the latter could be saved through invincible ignorance.
 
Vigis,

If you talk to some of my coworkers, they will tell you that I’m fairly smart. If you talk to my wife or kids, they can tell you that I have done some really stupid things in my day. But there is only one of me (thank God!) and my coworkers and family are indeed talking about the same person.
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**No, **

The Muslim submits to Allah, the absolutely transcendent ruler of the universe, in return for his mercy and beneficence. There ain’t no love between Allah and his creation.

Allah merely is the apotheosized image of an Oriental despot, emphatically not the Judeo-Christian God of love. According to German-Jewish theologian Rosenzweig, he basically repudiates the notion of Islamic culture. As a caricature, Islam is entirely sterile: “Islam never created an Islamic art, but rather took into its service pre-Islamic art … The pre-Islamic state, namely the Oriental state in its Byzantine form, made Islam into its state religion; the pre-Islamic spirit of the Koran adopted either pre-Islamic rationalism or mysticism and orthodoxy. In Europe, by contrast, in Christian Europe, there arose something new: Christian art, and a Christian state.”

Love requires the Judeo-Christian God to create the world. By contrast, “the God of Mohammed is a creator who well might not have bothered to create. He displays his power like an Oriental potentate who rules by violence, not by acting according to necessity, not by authorizing the enactment of the law, but rather in his freedom to act arbitrarily. By contrast, it is most characteristic of rabbinic theology that it formulates our concept of the divine power to create in the question as to whether God created the world out of love or out of righteousness.”

Allah’s creation for Rosenzweig is a mere act of “magic”. Muslim theology “presumes that Allah creates every isolated thing at every moment. Providence thus is shattered into infinitely many individual acts of creation, with no connection to each other, each of which has the importance of the entire creation. That has been the doctrine of the ruling orthodox philosophy in Islam. Every individual thing is created from scratch at every moment. Islam cannot be salvaged from this frightful providence of Allah … despite its vehement, haughty insistence upon the idea of the God’s unity, Islam slips back into a kind of monistic paganism, if you will permit the expression. God competes with God at every moment, as if it were the colorfully contending heavenful of gods of polytheism.”
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Long and short of it–yes, we worship the same God. Where we don’t agree is the nature of God.
Exactly! 👍

The plain fact is that Moslems, equally with paganism, though in a different way, fail to realise the true nature of God. Moslems fail to understand that He is the God of life and love, of that life which is supremely active, and of that love which is infinitely diffusive. He is not a god who dwells like a lone star apart, but the God whose pulsating life and illimitable love find expression in the gracious condescension of his self revelation. It is to one’s initimate friends that one reveals the secrets of one’s inner life, and consequently it is in the New Testament, with the coming of the Eternal Son of God in the flesh for the love of man, that the veil is drawn aside from the majesty and mystery of the divine life, so that we may catch some glimpse of it as it is in itself, and not merely as it was known before in its outward and visible manifestations.
 
Let me get this straight. So we worship the same God, but we have different view points? Also, does this not make them heretics (especially in the eyes of the Catholic Church)? God speed.
Yes, they are heretics.
 
I totally believe that we do not.
You are correct.
Let me get this straight. So we worship the same God, but we have different view points? Also, does this not make them heretics (especially in the eyes of the Catholic Church)? God speed.
Yes, Islam is a heretical teaching.
NO The god of the moslems does not exist
Correct, it was not God who spoke to Muhammad.
**No, **

Allah merely is the apotheosized image of an Oriental despot, emphatically not the Judeo-Christian God of love.
Correct
The plain fact is that Moslems, equally with paganism, though in a different way, fail to realise the true nature of God…
correct:)

Christians worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.🙂
 
I have recently got into an arguement with someone at school over this question. I totally believe that we do not. Though their concept of Allah is very close to our God, Yahweh, and comes from many of the same orgins I do not believe that they are the same. Read Galatians 1:8. Saint Paul talks about these false teachers and angels who reveal such. To me it is of Lucifer. I was wondering what the Catholic Church’s position on this is. Could someone please tell me in detail? God speed.
 
I have recently got into an arguement with someone at school over this question. I totally believe that we do not. Though their concept of Allah is very close to our God, Yahweh, and comes from many of the same orgins I do not believe that they are the same. Read Galatians 1:8. Saint Paul talks about these false teachers and angels who reveal such. To me it is of Lucifer. I was wondering what the Catholic Church’s position on this is. Could someone please tell me in detail? God speed.
In regards to Mohammedanism being a heresy, I will let Hilaire Belloc speak:

"Mohammedanism was [is] a heresy: that is the essential point to grasp before going any further. It began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. Its vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was - not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. But that which he taught was in the main Catholic doctrine, oversimplified. It was the great Catholic world - on the frontiers of which he lived, whose influence was all around him and whose territories he had known by travel - which inspired his convictions. He came of, and mixed with, the degraded idolaters of the Arabian wilderness, the conquest of which had never seemed worht the Roman’s while.

He took over very few of those old pagan ideas which might have been native to him from his descent. On the contrary, he preached and insisted upon a whole group of ideas which were peculiar to the Catholic Church and distinguished it from the paganism which it had conquered in the Greek and Roman civilizations. Thus the very foundation of his teaching was that prime Catholic doctrine, the unity and omnipotence of God. The attributes of God he also took over in the main from Catholic doctrine: the personal nature, the all-goodness, the timelessness, the providence of God, His creative power as the origin of all things, and His sustenance of all things by His power alone. The world of good spirits and angels and of evil spirits in rebellion against God was part of the teaching, with a chief evil spirit, such as Christendom had recognized. Mohammed preached with insistence that prime Catholic doctrine, on the human side - the immortality of the soul and its responsibility for actions in this life, coupled with the consequent doctrine of punishment and reward after death.

If anyone sets down those points that orthodox Catholicism has in common with Mohammedanism, and those points only, one might imagine if one went no further that there should have been no cause of quarrel . . . .

But the central point where this new heresy struck home with a mortal blow against Catholic tradition was a full denial of the Incarnation.

Mohammed did not merely take the first steps toward that denial, as the Arians and their followers had done; he advanced a clear affirmation, full and complete, against the whole doctrine of an incarnate God. He taught that Our Lord was the greatest of all prophets, but still only a prophet: a man like other men. He eliminated the Trinity altogether.

With the denial of the Incarnation went the whole sacramental structure. He refused to know anything of the Eucharist, with its Real Presence; he stopped the sacrifice of the Mass, and therefore the institution of a special priesthood. In other words, he, like so many other lesser heresiarchs, founded his heresy on simplification.

Catholic doctrine was true (he seemed to say), but it had become encumbered with false accretions; it had become complicated by needless man-made additions, including the idea that its founder was Divine, and the growth of a parasitical caste of priests who battened on a late, imagined, system of Sacraments which they alone could administer. All those corrupt accretions must be swept away." - “The Great Heresies” - Hilaire Belloc, pps. 43-44
 
I have recently got into an arguement with someone at school over this question. I totally believe that we do not. Though their concept of Allah is very close to our God, Yahweh, and comes from many of the same orgins I do not believe that they are the same. Read Galatians 1:8. Saint Paul talks about these false teachers and angels who reveal such. To me it is of Lucifer. I was wondering what the Catholic Church’s position on this is. Could someone please tell me in detail? God speed.
When you come right down to it, there are only two “big” dogmas divinely revealed, the Trinity and the Duality, on which all others depend. Error must strike ultimately at the unity of God, who is three Persons, or at the union of the divine and human natures in Christ.
 
I have recently got into an arguement with someone at school over this question. I totally believe that we do not. Though their concept of Allah is very close to our God, Yahweh, and comes from many of the same orgins I do not believe that they are the same. Read Galatians 1:8. Saint Paul talks about these false teachers and angels who reveal such. To me it is of Lucifer. I was wondering what the Catholic Church’s position on this is. Could someone please tell me in detail? God speed.
An interesting work, if you can find it somewhere on-line, is “De Antichristo, Concerning the Antichrist” by the Domincan Friar Tommaso Campanella.

Campanella states: " . . . that all godless tyrants and all sophistical heretics are antichrists, for they are types of and participators in the evil which the greatest Antichrist will one day bring to culmination. Never had there been so many precursor-antichrists at one time in history as there were in this day. Muhammad, Calvin, Wycliffe and Luther had already prepared the proper mileu in the world for the appearance of the Antichrist."
 
In traditional Catholic teaching and philosophy the true God can be discovered by natural means without access to revelation. He is the non-contingent Creator. By it’s very essence, such a being must exist and can only be one. Therefore any person or people who believed in and adore such a non-contingent being and Creator on which all else is contingent have always been deemed to have discovered the true God. Divine revelation is needed to know of the persons of God and other truths about Him, but knowledge of them is not necessary to have knowledge of God.

No one would argue that Jews worship a different God. Likewise, St. Paul says that the pagans in Acts 17:23 are also worshiping the same God even though they do not yet acknowledge the Trinity (in the same chapter he also cites pagan poets teaching about the true God).

Acts 17:23 For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you:

Muslims may believe falsely alledged revelations about Him, but they definitely acknowledge Him. They do not seek to worship the creature rather than the Creator as idolotors and polytheists do (who often worship beings that do not exist, but which have a contingent essence). Here are some more examples demonstrating Catholic thought on this:

St. John Damascene in his "Founts of Knowledge"

These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy…He says that there is one God, creator of all things…

(notice, they are no longer idolators but are considered heretics)

Pope St. Gregory VII (11th century) to a Muslim prince: ‘Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.’

The famous counter-reformation Jesuit and expert on St. Thomas Aquinas, Suarez:

Thomas, however, rightly distinguishes two kinds of religious practices: there are those which go against reason and against God insofar as he can be recognized through nature and through the natural powers of the soul, e.g., the worship of idols, etc. Others are contrary to the Christian religion and to its commands not because they are evil in themselves or contrary to reason as, for example, the practices of Jews and even many of the customs of Mohammedans and such unbelievers who believe in one true God.

Suarez, Tract. de Fide Disp. 18 Sect. III

(Notice, the worship of idols is intrinsically evil because it goes against reason (the true God can be known by natural reason), yet many practices of the Muslims are not intrinsically evil in and of themselves since they are reasonable acts of worship directed to the one God.)

Catechism of Pope St. Pius X : 12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.

(again, they are not idolators but are like Jews)

Catholic Encyclopedia: As in ecclesiastical language those who by baptism have received faith in Jesus Christ and have pledged Him their fidelity and called the faithful, so the name infidel is given to those who have not been baptized. The term applies not only to all who are ignorant of the true God, such as pagans of various kinds, but also to those who adore Him but do not recognize Jesus Christ, as Jews and Mohammedans.

Second Vatican Council: The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.

See also this chapter on Islam in Hillair Belloc’s "Great Heresies."
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Muslims, like the pagans St. Paul met, worship the true God without knowing it, even though they have been misled as to truths about him by a false prophet.

(of course, a Muslim in good faith and good will who desires to solely humble and abandon himself to the way, truth, and life of God for love of God alone, implicitly desires Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life and may be saved. However, one who simply adores the one God while obstinately rejecting the Son of God–the way, the truth, and the life–has neither the Father nor the Son and cannot be saved.).
 
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