Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

[gerhardc]

@Gerhardc then what is the is the Question do you know it, do u understand it ??
@Parz we all want to be right ,we all want to think we know better .

How can we sit here thinking that we have been so blessed that our Heavenly Father has reveal unto us the secrets that He hold with regards to what would happen to one who has not accepted Our Lord Jesus as the savior of the world . How can we not be merciful when Our Heavenly Father has been so merciful towards us …how sure are we that we going to heaven ,I am not sure ,but I pray and have faith that God would be merciful on the day that i die and that I would be counted as one of his people I am but human and am weak and sinful but I pray on the day of judgement our God would be merciful .

My personal opinion :I do not know what the next person believes in or does not believe in ,I would however remember Jesus words and will try my best to live by it …that the man or woman be they Jews,Muslim or non catholic is my neighbor and I will love them as I love myself ,and that I will continue to pray for the conversion of the world .
I leave you with this one of the scripture reading of the day .
Roman 14:1-12. ( look at what St Paul had to say )
Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another
1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[a] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written,

"As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,

and every tongue shall confess** to God."
12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.**

Whilst one can appreciate the sincerity in which you approach this topic, respectfully, you are not answering the question.

• The question is not whether or not God loves the people He created. Also,
• The question is not whether or not we should love our neighbour (as noted above). Also,
• The question is not whether or not we should judge Christians who are weak in faith (Romans 14:1-12, mentioned above). Also,
• The question is not whether or not God can accept people who do not worship Him into His Kingdom. Also,
• The question is not whether or not Muslims intend to worship the same God as Christians do.

The question is whether or not Muslims do in fact worship (or communicate with or honour) the same God as Christians do. It is about the Person or person whom their are adoring / communicating with / honouring. The question relates to Muslims’ actions, not our response or God’s response. I say it again, It is about the Person or person whom their are adoring / communicating with / honouring - who is he or she or it? Whilst we may posit may answers as to who it is they are worshipping, we know from the Bible who they are **not **worshipping. They are not worshipping God the Father because Jesus Himself gives us very clear truth about the matter: if someone communicates with the one, true Father, then he or she will be led to His Son, Jesus. "Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me." (John 6:45)

Thus, if someone does not communicate with the one, true Father then they will not be led to His Son, Jesus. We know that Muslims know Jesus as a “prophet”, but they vehemently and violently defend their position that He is not the Son of God - the whole basis of Islam is based entirely on the premise that Jesus is not the Son of God. In Jesus’ words, they have not spoken to the one, true Father about that question - they do not worship the one, true Father even if they intend to.

 

[Stella101]

This is sad ,this is SO SAD @both Gerhardc and Parz you guys are so blind and you playing judge and jury .Guess you doing God job for him …I will continue praying for your own conversion .

They say people fear that which they do not know …have compassion towards non believers and believers .

You know for centuries the Catholic Church has been crucified and looked down upon , by Non-Catholic they say we do not read the bible, yet everything we do comes from the bible ,they say we worship statues which we don’t, they ask why do we have to go to confession etc and the reason why is because they fear that which they do not know and understand . Fear the Catholic Faith for what they stand for ,they do not understand our doctrine or faith .

Do you know that the Muslims think the same way …they ask the same questions !!! Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God(Allah)? …and sadly they have the same answers you have …they think the same things about you and me .

I know what non- Catholic say about my faith and it sadness me so I will continue to be compassionate and tolerant towards other religions and will continue to think of them as my neighbor as Jesus has asked me to do .

So go in peace to love and serve the LORD .

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

I wonder then how many gods there are and at what point did any of our previous errors about God, childhood immature faith, misunderstandings, others errors that we may have accepted, etc., result in a “different god”?

If one thought that God was* the* entire Universe or the Flying Spaghetti Monster that misunderstanding or crass parody does not produce a different god that is real. God does not exist as that misunderstanding or error.

 

[gerhardc]

This is sad ,this is SO SAD @both Gerhardc and Parz you guys are so blind and you playing judge and jury .Guess you doing God job for him …I will continue praying for your own conversion .

They say people fear that which they do not know …have compassion towards non believers and believers .

You know for centuries the Catholic Church has been crucified and looked down upon , by Non-Catholic they say we do not read the bible, yet everything we do comes from the bible ,they say we worship statues which we don’t, they ask why do we have to go to confession etc and the reason why is because they fear that which they do not know and understand . Fear the Catholic Faith for what they stand for ,they do not understand our doctrine or faith .

Do you know that the Muslims think the same way …they ask the same questions !!! Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God(Allah)? …and sadly they have the same answers you have …they think the same things about you and me .

I know what non- Catholic say about my faith and it sadness me so I will continue to be compassionate and tolerant towards other religions and will continue to think of them as my neighbor as Jesus has asked me to do .

So go in peace to love and serve the LORD .

Your problem is not with me my friend. Your problem is with what is written in the Bible. Your problem is with what Jesus said in John 6 - His word. This is the very Jesus you proclaim to believe in what He says. This is what He said: “But Jesus replied, “Stop complaining about what I said. For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up. As it is written in the Scriptures, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.” You have a problem with that? Take it up with Him please.

 

[Parz]

Stella said: “Gerhardc and Parz you guys are so blind and you playing judge and jury .Guess you doing God job for him …I will continue praying for your own conversion .”

First off, as a former Catholic I can agreeably disagree with some of what you say.

But Gerhardc is right. Your problem is with what’s plainly written in Scripture. You’re judging others for quoting the Bible. On that basis you assume that they’re not compassionate. That isn’t the case. In fact there are many likewise-minded missionaries who reach out to Muslims at risk of their own lives, and pray daily for them.

Is Allah the same God of the Bible? No, because what that god requires of his subordinates to attain salvation isn’t the same as what the God of the Bible expects. Allah has no Son. They might as well be worshiping Kali.

 

[Mamat]

Can God contradict himself? He has revealed to the Christians that Jesus is his Son. After sending his Son Jesus, God did not have to send any further prophets (it would be like saying that after sending the Prime Minister to solve a problem you would afterwards require to send another mere Minister). The Jews believe that their last prophet came in around 445 BC, prophet Malachi. The Christians believe that the last prophet was John the Baptist and Jesus is the Son of God, much greater than a prophet, since John the Baptist said that he was not worthy to untie Jesus’ sandals. The Christians also believe that all public revelation about God stopped after the Bible was cannonized and nothing can be added or subtracted to/from the Bible (The canon was finalized in 393 AD in the Council of Hippo and ratified in the Council of Carthage in 397 AD).

However Muslims believe that the last prophet to come was Muhammed who came much after Jesus and gave them the Quran (He was born in 570 AD and died in 632 AD). If that is the case then there is a clear contradiction between what the Christians believe and what the Muslims believe. This would lead to the conclusion that the Christians and the Muslims don’t believe in the same God otherwise that one God would be clearly contradicting himself which is impossible. If they believe in the same God, then both Christians and Muslims would have to compromise on their basic beliefs.

Please understand that this argument is not to say who is right or wrong - whether Muslims or Christians. This argument is given only to prove that the claim made that Muslims and Christians believe in the same God seems to have outright contradictions. Your comments are most welcome.

 

[Mamat]

Can God contradict himself?

NO! We, however, are brilliant at contradictions. Christianity and Islam are contradictions. Granted, they share some of the same truths but there is so much that can not be reconciled.

Revelation ended with the Apostles. Period! Jesus provided the entire world with everything needed to know God, love God, worship God and obey God. Jesus established God’s Kingdom on earth in and through the Catholic Church where the fullness of His truth is guarded by the Holy Spirit.

God did not need to send an angel to fix or straighten out the errors of His divine Son. His Son made NO errors. There is only one reason a spiritual being would contradict the revelation of Christ and that is to confuse and deceive souls and ultimately steal untold millions of souls from God.

That said, God indeed does have a plan for the salvation of Muslims and Jews. My guess is that it is Jesus Christ! Duh! However, Jews and Muslims that truly love God as they understand Him with their whole heart, mind and soul and love their neighbor as themselves will likely pass through the door to heaven that Jesus opened when He died on the cross and rose from the dead.

 

[MorningSong51]

Not sure how the above relates to the following in John 6:43-45: "Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me."

The clinching argument for me is that Jesus Himself is saying that if someone is really worshipping or communicating with His Father, then His Father would lead that person to Jesus. Therefore, it must also be true that if someone does not come to Jesus as the Son, he or she has not worshipped or communicated with the Father. In the above passage, Jesus presents us with a universal truth that has no exception: **“everyone **who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.” No Jesus as the Son, no Father as God. Not a difficult question to answer.

“Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.” Jesus does not add nor subtract from the law, what he does accomplishes is that he reveals God’s word and bring glory by walking blamelessly - we say that the law had been fulfilled through Christ, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay”. Muslims do believe in his arrival - or the 2nd coming of Christ, that is a belief. Also, they believe (even though they see Jesus as a Prophet) that Christ acknowledges that “there is none good but one, that is, God” - which again, is fulfilling the law of the Prophets.

 

[Parz]

*As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. Mar 10:17-18
*
See this note from the ESV Bible: Why do you call me good? To ask this question, Jesus assumes the perspective of the rich young man. No one is completely good except God alone, therefore it is not proper for the young man to address Jesus as “Good Teacher” until he is ready to acknowledge that Jesus is God. On the deity of Christ…

One mustn’t take a verse out of context without considering what other Scripture has to say about a subject. Islam teaches that Christ isn’t God and that He wasn’t crucified for our sins. But what does Scripture say about that?

*Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 1Co 15:12-14 *

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body. So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken. Joh 2:19-22

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple. Joh 8:58-59

*Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” Joh 20:28-29 *

See also Joh 1:1-14

…and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1Jo 2:2

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16

If Christ isn’t God and did not die on the Cross for our sins then He is a liar. Yet Scripture clearly tells us that He is God and that He did die for us.

Allah claims he has no son and the Koran teaches that Christ is a prophet and that he wasn’t crucified for our sins. Therefore Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

 

[ChristianPrince]

The Catechism states that GOD does have a plan for salvation for the muslims . They worship God the father . The god of the old testament just as the Jews do.Surely they do reject the trinity but they do worship the first divine person in the trinity . God the father .

the Muslims do not worship same God as us Christians are leaving in their ignorance ask any muslims is your god name is **“ELOHIM” ** ? ? is he the father ! he will say NOOOO DO THEIR god has a son answer is NOOOOO IS YOUR GOD NAME IS LOVE ANSWER IS NOOOOOO DO YOUR GOD TEACH LOVE ANSWER IS NOOOOOO

Christians need to read ignorance is not good get this book The Deception of Allah Volume 1
Islam is an anti Christ cult and this is what the bible says John2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1John 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. and all what Islam is about fighiting and refusing the son of God by promising them 72 women for sex and 70.000 boy for sex in heaven so how we can have same god when their god is about sex and their heaven is about sex when ours do not have sex Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Islam is 100% from Satan to fight his church on earth.

Christ is lord Islam is False Amen to that

 

[Parz]

Jews and Christians can be said to worship the same God.

It’s the same Old Testament – the difference being a denial on the part of one group as to what the OT Scriptures say about the coming Messiah. Note the example of Christ talking to the disciples on the road to Emmaus.

On the other hand, the Koran is very explicit in it’s denial of Allah having a son and of Christ being God.