Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

[Marybeloved]

Mary, it is pretty simple, really. You reference the following text by St. Paul to say that even pagans worship the true God, and, on that basis, Muslims worship Him too:* “I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you”* (Acts 17:23).

I acknowledge that verse. I do not call St. Paul a liar because he wrote it, as you have suggested. And I don’t disbelieve that text as you have suggested. However, what I do believe is that the full text should be read, and this, regrettably, you have failed to see:* “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands*, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.” (vv. 24-25). St. Paul is saying:* ‘If you want to truly worship the God that made heaven and earth, well, He does not live in temples nor is he worshiped in the way you guys go about it. No, He is not worshiped that way.’*

The text goes on:* “Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.** Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained***. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.” (vv. 29-31)
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St. Paul is repeating himself for the sake of emphasis. He is saying,* ‘if you want to truly worship the Divine Nature (God) then you must first repent and believe in the One whom He has raised from the dead (Jesus)’. Therefore, God “overlooked ignorance” about Christ * before He came"but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world”.

The Islam religion followed Christ’s coming, death and resurrection. As such, the Mesaiah has been revealed to the world. Muslims know about Jesus and they know He is preached as the Son of the living God. Yet, they do not believe that people find righteousness by faith -*** “For with the heart one believes unto righteousness***, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:10) (and we know that* “faith without works is dead”*). Instead, they believe that righteousness is obtained by having good morals.

Since they do not worship the Son, they do not worship the Father either because** the Son and the Father are one** (John 10:30).

Mary, if you choose not to read the rest of the passage in Act 17 and wish to get stuck on the part that says* “whom you worship”* to prove somehow that Muslims worship God without recognizing Jesus as the Christ, then you are entitled to do so. As you have said, you have made up your mind about what certain Scriptures mean and you won’t change it. No point in debating the issue then.

All the best.

Gerhard

Gerhard, I have read the entire text, I do know the context, you’re just trying to change what st. Paul says, which is clearly; The One whom you worship without knowing, him I proclaim to you. You’re making a long discussion about the fact that the pagans did not know the truth about God-I wonder which Christian is even remotely confused about that fact. That God is too big for temples or pagan alters, that he made everything and the pagans did not know a whole lot about him or Christ- I don’t know anyone here who has made the remotest attempt to say that these pagans knew the truths about God - You’re compounding issues again, to force a point that just isn’t there! Paul still said the words, right there in your own Bible, in the book of Acts, to Greek idolaters: The One whom you worship without knowing, him I proclaim to you. You can say I want to hang on it- I say you just don’t want to deal with it!

It seems to me, you’re the one who’s made up your mind, regardless of what the apostle or scripture says: *Non- Christians must worship a different god, so regardless of what Paul’s lips actually said, and Luke actually recorded as scripture! Regardless, they cannot contradict my own assumptions- I’ll just ignore Paul’s actual words and assume he means what agrees with my theory. *:shrug:None of the verses you’ve quoted show anything more than ignorance of unbelievers of the truth- You want to make them say that they all worship a different god- They just don’t say that:shrug:

All the best!

 

[Marybeloved]

The Islam religion followed Christ’s coming, death and resurrection. As such, the Mesaiah has been revealed to the world. Muslims know about Jesus and they know He is preached as the Son of the living God.

Paul was speaking to pagans after all these things as well, still doesn’t support your attempt at distinguishing the Greeks from the Muslims.

Besides, yet again, not the issue. Willfully refusing/rejecting the truth that’s preached to you about God and incurring God’s punishment thereby, is not the same as worshiping a different God. You’re just employing the same, same argument- forcing issues together that are not together, so that if I agree with A, B becomes automatic, when A and B are just not dependent on each other. The Jews do not accept these same truths. Has their God changed from YHWH to something else?

Peace!

 

[rain_bow]

Where exactly in OT? I’m sure whoever said that is an angel, and an angel could never call himself God. God always introduced himself in either “I am the Lord your God” or to Moses “YHWH”. Or “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. If you give a specific verse then we can see the context.

I was wrong maybe, Now I searched again and I think I have found.

Please follow the links. I can not post all since a post is limited under 6000 Character.

Genesis:31:11-13

read genesis 31:13 please ( from above link)

genesis 16: 7-14.

pay attention specially on verse 13 please.

Genesis 22:11-15

Exodus:3:2-4

 

[Marybeloved]

I was wrong maybe, Now I searched again and I think I have found.

Please follow the links. I can not post all since a post is limited under 6000 Character.

Genesis:31:11-13

read genesis 31:13 please ( from above link)

genesis 16: 7-14.

pay attention specially on verse 13 please.

Genesis 22:11-15

Exodus:3:2-4

Hello, Rainbow,

I’ve read a few Catholic, Protestant and Jewish commentaries and they all say the same thing. In the Jewish Tanakh(OT), apart from the usual term in Hebrew signifying, “an angel”, there’s one term in particular that is used several times in OT signifying the appearance of one specific being who is different from the others (angels), and this being is called with a definite title repeatedly, in some of the verses you gave, with Moses and the burning bushetc This being is called by the Patriarchs and Prophets by the name “The Angel of YHWH” - Whenever he appears, it’s YHWH himself who manifests himself physically in a special way through him. Read about it on this Jewish site: hadavar.org/drupal/content/angel-lord

Peace!

 

[MorningSong51]

The Declaration on Religious Liberty (Dignitatis Humanae), also approved on 7 December 1965, was unequivocal on church policy: ‘The Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom’ (§2). This, then, is the context in which to understand the brief but crucial Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (Nostra Aetate), approved by the Council on 28 October 1965. It affirms the intrinsic merit of traditions other than its own. ‘The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions’ (§2), and encourages discussion and collaboration with members of other faiths. (It is significant to note that Pope John Paul would later mark an end to defining other religions by what they were not, ‘Non-Christians’. The Secretariat for Non-Christians would be replaced by The Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, signalling an intended change in mindset as well as label. A sincere effort is called for in mutual understanding between Christians and Muslims (§3) as also in appreciating the common spiritual heritage with the Jews (§4). The final paragraph of the Declaration is unambiguous:

See following references:
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Nostra Aetate: 40 Years Later
Khaled Akasheh](http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/chrstnsmslms.HTM)

Pope John Paul II: Thinking outside the Church
Tony McCaffry

Vatican Council and Papal Statements on Islam:

Read more: catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/other-religions/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam/
catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/other-religions/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam/

“My brothers, when I think of this spiritual heritage (Islam) and the value it has for man and for society, its capacity of offering, particularly in the young, guidance for life, filing the gap left by materialism, and giving a reliable foundation to social and juridical organization, I wonder if it is not urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us, in order to preserve and promote together for the benefit of all men, ‘peace, liberty, social justice and moral values’ as the Council calls upon us to do (Nostra Aetate 3).

“Faith in God, professed by the spiritual descendants of Abraham–Christians, Muslims and Jews–when it is lived sincerely, when it penetrates life, is a certain foundation of the dignity, brotherhood and freedom of men and a principle of uprightness for moral conduct and life in society. And there is more: as a result of this faith in God the Creator and transcendent, one man finds himself at the summit of creation. He was created, the Bible teaches, ‘in the image and likeness of God’ (Gn 1:27); for the Qur’an, the sacred book of the Muslims, although man is made of dust, ‘God breathed into him his spirit and endowed him with hearing, sight and heart,’ that is, intelligence (Surah 32.8).

“For the Muslims, the universe is destined to be subject to man as the representative of God: the Bible affirms that God ordered man to subdue the earth, but also to ‘till it and keep it’ (Gen. 2:15). As God’s creature, man has rights which cannot be violated, but he is equally bound by the law of good and evil which is based on the order established by God. Thanks to this law, man will never submit to any idol. The Christian keeps to the solemn commandment: ‘You shall keep no other gods before me’ (Ex 20:30). On his side, the Muslim will always say: ‘God is the greatest.’

“I would like to take advantage of this meeting and the opportunity offered to me by the words that St. Peter wrote to your predecessors to invite you to consider every day the deep roots of faith in God in whom also your Muslim fellow citizens believe, in order to draw from this the principle of a collaboration with a view to the progress of man, emulation in good, and the extension of peace and brotherhood in free profession of the faith peculiar to each one.”

John Paul II, address to representatives of Muslims of the Philippines, February 20, 1981
“I deliberately address you as brothers: that is certainly what we are, because we are members of the same human family, whose efforts, whether people realize it or not, tend toward God and the truth that comes from him. But we are especially brothers in God, who created us and whom we are trying to reach, in our own ways, through faith, prayer and worship, through the keeping of his law and through submission to his designs.

Read more: catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/other-religions/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam/

 

[MorningSong51]

Lol yes. I also think that it sounds Ludicrous,when everybody proclaim himself the prophet of Abrahamic God .Well I am amazed, that why Mohammad did not proclaim himself as the incarnation of Abrahamic God Still he could refuse Christian trinity( as he did) and could preach a monotheist religion. But he is clever enough,because he needed the supports from some Christians & their king too i think( if you know his Hizrih),so he limited himself in prophet hood .

However What is the difference between an angel of the Lord and The Angel of the Lord? I think I read somewhere in OT that God is saying that I am the angel of the Lord, and your God, isn’t it? So can you make it clear? why God said so?

Just asking if you can make this clear.

As you have it listed, it is incorrect: see definition, the phrase “angel of the Lord” and “Angel of the Lord”, are “yes!” different.

Mal’ak (also spelled Malak, Melek) is the Semitic word for “angel” (Arabic: ملاك‎, malak; Hebrew מַלְאָךְ; Ge’ez መልዐክ, malāk; Aramaic מלאך). **The plural of malak ("angels") is ملائكه malaaikah in Arabic**, מַלְאָכִים malakim in Hebrew, and መላዕክት mala`ikt in Ge’ez.

The difference: Angel of the Lord A Malak is an angel or can be angels - that are commissioned to do a specify duty or for “an” angel - to be a messenger from God, see Luke 1 and another example: In the case of giving the Law to Moses, God designated “the Angel of the Lord” to dispense the Law to Moses and Israel. That angel was the instrument, or mediator, assigned to perform the task, and he did it very well! The truth is, God often uses mediators in His work.

“The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a burning fire from the midst of a bush” Exodus 3 - and Moses heard the calling of his name.

Delivering a message directly to the prophet’s to give to the people of Israel - that’s why alot of people assume that the messenger was Gabriel in this passage…

And another example is listed in the book of Tobit: I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who enter and serve before the Glory of the Lord." - (as you’ve listed, “Angel” - capitalizing the A, however the angel is still a messenger)

Judges 13:17- And Manoach said to the angel of the Lord, “What is your name, that when your word will come we may do you honor?” v.18 And the angel of the Lord said to him, “Why do you presently ask for my name; since it is hidden.”

Another would have been the Angel of the Lord who struggled with Jacob – and

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angel of the Lord:**

ex: When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

*The destroyer - is an Angel,“And do not grumble, as some of them did–and were killed by the destroying angel.” - 1 Corinthians 10:10

When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the LORD was grieved because of the calamity and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the LORD was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. - 2 Samuel 24:16,1 Chronicles 21:15

Noting: “The destroyer” (“ha-mashḥit”) kills the first-born of the Egyptians (Ex. xii. 23), and the “destroying angel” (“mal’ak ha-mashḥit”) rages among the people in Jerusalem (II Sam. xxiv. 15) Read more: jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=178&letter=D#ixzz1aGzLfVNX

God’s Angel to Prepare the Way: Exodus 23:20,“See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. 22 If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you.

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Gavriel standing at the north-side of the temple, where is the table with the twelve show-breads; i.e. physical side
Mikael standing at the southside, where is the menorah, the light, i.e. spiritual side.
Uriel standing at the east-side, it is where you come in with your korban.
Raphael at the west, where is the holy of holiest.

when you come in Gavriel is at your right hand, Mikael at your left.

when you go out Gavriel is at your left, Mikael at your right.

Gavriel is colored red, Uriel yellow (gold), Mikael white, Raphael blue.

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Direction east-west is direction of the sun.

Sun rising in the east, going down in the west.

East, “kedem”, seeming to be the past,
west, “ma’ariv”, seeming to be future.

 

[Marybeloved]

As you have it listed, it is incorrect: see definition, the phrase “angel of the Lord” and “Angel of the Lord”, are “yes!” different.

Mal’ak (also spelled Malak, Melek) is the Semitic word for “angel” (Arabic: ملاك‎, malak; Hebrew מַלְאָךְ; Ge’ez መልዐክ, malāk; Aramaic מלאך). **The plural of malak ("angels") is ملائكه malaaikah in Arabic**, מַלְאָכִים malakim in Hebrew, and መላዕክት mala`ikt in Ge’ez.

The difference: Angel of the Lord A Malak is an angel or can be angels - that are commissioned to do a specify duty or for “an” angel - to be a messenger from God, see Luke 1 and another example: In the case of giving the Law to Moses, God designated “the Angel of the Lord” to dispense the Law to Moses and Israel. That angel was the instrument, or mediator, assigned to perform the task, and he did it very well! The truth is, God often uses mediators in His work.

“The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a burning fire from the midst of a bush” Exodus 3 - and Moses heard the calling of his name.

Delivering a message directly to the prophet’s to give to the people of Israel - that’s why alot of people assume that the messenger was Gabriel in this passage…

And another example is listed in the book of Tobit: I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who enter and serve before the Glory of the Lord." - (as you’ve listed, “Angel” - capitalizing the A, however the angel is still a messenger)

Judges 13:17- And Manoach said to the angel of the Lord, “What is your name, that when your word will come we may do you honor?” v.18 And the angel of the Lord said to him, “Why do you presently ask for my name; since it is hidden.”

Another would have been the Angel of the Lord who struggled with Jacob – and

**
angel of the Lord:**

ex: When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

*The destroyer - is an Angel,“And do not grumble, as some of them did–and were killed by the destroying angel.” - 1 Corinthians 10:10

When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the LORD was grieved because of the calamity and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the LORD was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. - 2 Samuel 24:16,1 Chronicles 21:15

Noting: “The destroyer” (“ha-mashḥit”) kills the first-born of the Egyptians (Ex. xii. 23), and the “destroying angel” (“mal’ak ha-mashḥit”) rages among the people in Jerusalem (II Sam. xxiv. 15) Read more: jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=178&letter=D#ixzz1aGzLfVNX

God’s Angel to Prepare the Way: Exodus 23:20,“See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. 22 If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you.

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Gavriel standing at the north-side of the temple, where is the table with the twelve show-breads; i.e. physical side
Mikael standing at the southside, where is the menorah, the light, i.e. spiritual side.
Uriel standing at the east-side, it is where you come in with your korban.
Raphael at the west, where is the holy of holiest.

when you come in Gavriel is at your right hand, Mikael at your left.

when you go out Gavriel is at your left, Mikael at your right.

Gavriel is colored red, Uriel yellow (gold), Mikael white, Raphael blue.

---

Direction east-west is direction of the sun.

Sun rising in the east, going down in the west.

East, “kedem”, seeming to be the past,
west, “ma’ariv”, seeming to be future.

Morningsong, I’m a bit confused by your post- Is the Angel who spoke to Jacob in Genesis 31:11 a regular angel or a special manifestation of YHWH in physical form?

 

[MorningSong51]

Morningsong, I’m a bit confused by your post- Is the Angel who spoke to Jacob in Genesis 31:11 a regular angel or a special manifestation of YHWH in physical form?

The way Rain_bow’s question was given, he wanted to know what the differences were between an angel of the Lord and The Angel of the Lord? I’m assuming that, and given the thought, that one angel is lesser charged and the other a greater - which if you read scripture, there are no angels that were given a lesser charge (seal). The verse in Psalms, “Bless the Lord, all His hosts” (Ps. 103:21) the verse either speaks about humans or angels or to both? …even when according to hierarchy (also read Genesis 28:11-15) - God blesses all his creation both in heaven and earth. When reading scripture, Jesus Christ was given charge of the angels, bad and good - and that over people, see John 17:2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

In the case of Jacob and the angel he struggled with, as an example, this angel was “charged” or had the “authority” to change Jacob’s name to Israel, but before approaching this verse you have to read through Genesis 31:24Genesis 32:1 a thought - after Laban and Jacob - had set a promise (a covenant, you and I, and let it serve as a witness between us.”), Laban went out/or reached out to Esau - he sort of went around the bend, between the two brothers - because of the blessing that Isaac gave to both - were these blessing lesser, in statues than the other, both sons were given a blessing.

 

[MorningSong51]

continue:

In the same thought at Pentecost - when the Spirit of Truth descended on the apostles, a change was taking place – as with Jacob’s name, a changing from “one” person to another, that being “Israel” - a promise, the apostles were given a charge (a delivering) over the entire ministry in Christ name - a message, “And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved”, the Sanhedrin thought at the time, if this charge (a seal)from God, and the scriptures read 34But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35Then he addressed them: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

Again, same thought, with the Muslim religion – we are questioning whether or not the message sent was by the same God, through the Angel Gabriel – again the charge (a seal) to make a change to call the people of Ismael – back to God. Muslims believe the Quran to be verbally revealed through angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from God to Muhammad gradually over a period of approximately twenty-three years beginning in 610 CE, when Muhammad was forty, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death.

This is what Rain_bow is asserting, if the message given was of a lesser or greater form - since a messenger can be of human or divine status (?). A messenger, can be both human and divine in origin, smaller “angel” or larger “Angel” of the Lord - but the message is not of any lesser form than an angel. I would think that it would lessen a prophet - message, also any other person who delivers the message of salvation to the people.

read what the Apostle Paul tells us, see if you can read any similarity taking place:

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The Law and the Promise

15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”* meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

***This message that Paul brings is “To” all the peoples - even to those under the law. ***

Mary*

 

[MorningSong51]

"To Mary I entrust all of you: Christians and non-Christians, believers and non-believers. She is the Mother of all, because Christ her Son is the Saviour of all. May Mary help all of you, dear Brothers and Sisters, to accomplish in your daily lives Christ’s command: “Love one another”, which is the guiding theme of this pastoral visit of mine.

To the perpetual help of the Queen of peace I also entrust the countries bordering Kazakhstan, and I greet especially the pilgrims who have come today from those lands to demonstrate their faith and affection."

Together let us turn now with confidence to the Handmaid of the Lord:

“Angelus Domini…” SEE LINK

From the same letter:

You will benefit your country by remaining faithful to it and by being involved in its political and social life. As Christians, you must try to give your society a face. What Jesus said to his disciples also applies to you: “You are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world” (Mt 5, 13ff.).
May the Virgin Mary, Star of Evangelization, guide your mission and accompany you along the way.

I cordially impart my Apostolic Blessing to you.

 

[MorningSong51]

Morningsong, I’m a bit confused by your post- Is the Angel who spoke to Jacob in Genesis 31:11 a regular angel or a special manifestation of YHWH in physical form?

To simplify the remarks made, we are all “Mal’ak” (also spelled Malak, Melek) is the Semitic word for “angel” (Arabic: ملاك‎, malak; Hebrew מַלְאָךְ; Ge’ez መልዐክ, mal`āk; Aramaic מלאך). The plural of malak (“angels”) because “we” are delivering a message of salvation to all people about the risen Lord, Christ - the message sent to us “by the Apostles”. The message was given by the divine “YHWH” but was “charged to us” - as our responsibility. The message does not make it any lesser - human or by the divine, it was a message.

2:17 ‘It will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh.
Your sons and your daughters will prophesy our young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams. 2:18 Yes, and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days, I will pour out my Spirit, and they will prophesy. 2:19 I will show wonders in the sky above, and signs on the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and billows of smoke. 2:20 The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. 2:21 It will be, that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’*

Given in Peace and Joy to all for the Glory of God

Mary

 

[Marcarios]

Read more: catholicfidelity.com/apol…ents-on-islam/
catholicfidelity.com/apol…ents-on-islam/

“My brothers, when I think of this spiritual heritage (Islam) and the value it has for man and for society, its capacity of offering, particularly in the young, guidance for life, filing the gap left by materialism, and giving a reliable foundation to social and juridical organization,

Guidance in life? like what killing copts and armenians and greeks in their churches ? killing thy neighbor ?? Giving a reliable foundation for social and juridicial organization?
like overturning the common law of other non muslim countries ? look this would be great if it were only true , but this is the idealism of ecumenism . the worlwide ecumenical movement wants to see all religions united together. This is nothing more then the sentimentalism and idealism that was left over from the 60s . Its not applicable . If say 9 /11 or the whole string of violence terrorist activities BEFORE 9/11 happened during the time of the second vatican council this statement would not have been even made .

Be realistic and think… Christ didn’t teach the mutual co existence and peace of differing religions. This never happened in Christ Time, It didn’t happen during the Early Church, it didnt happen during the Middle Ages, nor did it happen during the “Age of Enlightenment”

again this is the sentementialism of theological liberalism and the absurdity of the social gospel which is not the Gospel at all.

 

[LUV4ALL]

Yes, everyone worships the same God. There is only one God.

 

[gerhardc]

I have come across a passage that would be interesting to get your views on. This is the thinking, if Muslims worshipped the Father they would be led to Jesus as His Son.

John 6:43-45:

Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

Any thoughts?

 

[OnlyHeIsHoly]

I would say no. Simply because God is worshipped in spirit and truth
Do they spiritually worship the same God as our God, no.
But then again, I don’t believe all who profess spiritually worship the same god either.
I hope this doesn’t sound harsh, but from scripture, it is obvious that people worship
many gods by their choice and only worship the true and living God by the way that
He requires. And the sticking point for muslims is JESUS - the Son of the Living God

 

[OnlyHeIsHoly]

I have come across a passage that would be interesting to get your views on. This is the thinking, if Muslims worshipped the Father they would be led to Jesus as His Son.

John 6:43-45:

Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

Any thoughts?

I totally agree with your response!

 

[rain_bow]

In my opinion the answer is both yes and no.

what???

 

[rain_bow]

Hello, Rainbow,

I’ve read a few Catholic, Protestant and Jewish commentaries and they all say the same thing. In the Jewish Tanakh(OT), apart from the usual term in Hebrew signifying, “an angel”, there’s one term in particular that is used several times in OT signifying the appearance of one specific being who is different from the others (angels), and this being is called with a definite title repeatedly, in some of the verses you gave, with Moses and the burning bushetc This being is called by the Patriarchs and Prophets by the name “The Angel of YHWH” - Whenever he appears, it’s YHWH himself who manifests himself physically in a special way through him. Read about it on this Jewish site: hadavar.org/drupal/content/angel-lord

Peace!

Ok I will See the link,Sorry for this late reply. I was very busy in those days,that’s why I was offline.

Peace!! .

 

[rain_bow]

MorningSong51, I have read you long post. Well since I haven’t clear idea about those religious stuff so better if I shall not argue . But Thanks for your response.

Peace.

 

[ForeverGrace]

No, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God. The TRIUNE God of Christianity includes the fact that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity and is therefore God.

Muslims have reduced Jesus to a prophet and not God. The Holy Spirit doesn’t exist in their belief in Allah.

While we can study the historical actionsand beliefs of Islam, that has nothing to do with the truth of our Savior.

It ain’t rocket science. [BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]