Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

[MorningSong51]

Why did Jesus stop people from stoning to death the adulterous woman?

Hi Lisa 44,

I’ve asked that questions many times, to be perfectly honest. This was a long quest, that I had to search for, for many years. Understand that when Jesus saved this woman from being stoned – it was the day of her redemption – salvation for the sin she committed under the law (the law – Torah, or the law under Sharia – either way, but these laws were a code of conduct, dietary law, marital laws…etc, to be maintained as a people-hood – a nation). Also remember, that even the leading law givers wanted to know by what authority that Jesus had to forgive sins. What sin does – literally, it places a person in prison, a state in mind and body. So by what right – did Jesus have? He was releasing people
from literally a prison that another person place them – under the law.

The best passage that I thought was so profound – was the man who was blind by birth. I understand the illustration/examples of the one’s you gave, but this passage defines both the law and Christ. Let me give you some examples of this passage and hopefully you can understand:

1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

The first sentence, clearly states that the sin of parents was transmitted to the child? Or was it that this man caused some type of sin to make him blind, so how can that be when the man was blind from birth – how can an infant sin? Rabbi, as the statement said, “who sinned?” The man or his parents? When we discuss original sin, we take after the nature of Adam and Eve’s, after the fall as the statement says in Genesis “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.” but who gave Christ the authority to save us from that first original sin – God did, as Adam only had “one” commandment to live by – 7 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.” and there’s the key word – death, and another was that the eyes of both of them would be open. I had asked what this verse meant and now, I think I understand. The verse is almost the same as 13 She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi.”

 

[MorningSong51]

Our Lord opens our eyes to many things (28. But there is a God in heaven Who reveals secrets - chapter 2: 19 Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in the vision of the night )– he can reveal himself in his word, also can open our eyes to our own sins so that we can repent of them, as to be forgiven (which is a blessing), he can lead us to people – in friendship and also to those people who are meant to be an important part of our lives (from inside our own faith or perhaps not), we make ourselves available, by the grace of God, to help those who cannot help themselves (sometimes) – even this provides us with our spiritual development and we (also) open ourselves to God in prayer, and he opens our eyes to him (Beer Lahai Roi - “the One who sees me”) – as he fills us with the strength of his words and comforts us. We are filled with Spirit – as he relieves Himself, by his word.

This explanation was longer than I wanted– the rest won’t be. What the law was meant to do – was to be avoidance to sin, right? To be united as a people back to God, a way of life - a path, directing the people on how to live and maintain their relationship with God (see Luke 1:6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly and in Genesis 17:1 -“I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully and be blameless.) - the statement naaseh v’nishma–we will do and we will hear. … echoes in every Jewish person ears, as well as in the ears of every Muslim, to the Sharia (the path or direction in which to walk blamelessly, and to the judgments)

In every stanza, you will read, obey and follow the law. Jesus taught, to follow the law – but also to have compassion, mercy and good judgment, like the Father. It necessary to understand, that Christ was obedient in every way, and that He was One with the Father – in likeness, image and in wisdom - and in judgment of the law. The laws were made, specifically to each nation (nations under each tribe, accordingly) – and to remain united under God’s kingdom. The theory behind this, was the fact of how “one” interprets the law PERFECTLY, and Christ (who was wise, even more than Solomon, interpret law with mercy, compassion and perfect judgment (as you will read toward the end of the passage in John 9))

What does the law acknowledge, Be you therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful and be to one another kind, compassionate, forgiving one another, so as God also in Christ has forgiven you, and the greatest commandment 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

So now, the remaining part of the passage:

3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. 7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. 8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” 9 Some claimed that he was. Others said, “No, he only looks like him. But he himself insisted, “I am the man. 10 “How then were your eyes opened?” they asked. 11 He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see. Such a great passage! - everyone is asking, who made this man see!

12 “Where is this man?” they asked him. "I don’t know,” he said. The Pharisees Investigate the Healing 13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. 14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. 15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.”

Now the law givers were called into the issue – and they asked many questions to this man on how he came to see again. Remember, this was the same law that condemned this man at birth! - Now, the law givers need to know who “redeemed” him.

9 Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” 40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?” 41 **Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. **

 

[MorningSong51]

Lisa 44 - the last statement, is about how one interprets the laws, again perfectly and in absolute truth, Jesus said, when I judge, its with sound judgment - to be merciful, compassionate (unboundedly and abundantly, in absolute truth -) see the book of Judith, “may all your creation serve you” - and - “for you spoke and things came into being, you sent your breath and they were put together and no one can resist your voice” Every person - like Christ, should be obedient to the will of God, however - there is one who had gone forth and was perfect in his judgment of the law, “17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” but like in 2 Maccabees - we ask God to open our heart and mind to his goodness and for us understand perfectly “how to judge” his people - isn’t that what Solomon asked? - To be wise, as to ask for God’s wisdom.

The law, as Paul said “opens” our eyes and we realize how we are sinful in nature (like in the Garden - with both Adam & Eve - the eyes of both became opened) - so this can be in either laws - Sharia or Torah.

"What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “Do not covet.” Romans 7:7

So what is sin – a waterless, empty place – a desert. Sin is without form and void – it is what we consider to be in the state of emptiness a lifeless place – a desert. And in Arabic the word בוהו “bohu” means - empty, without anything. Consequently, we understand that the words “tohu ubohu” describe a waterless, empty place. (Hebrew Bible - Genesis in reference to: Tohu wa-bohu) Incidentally, in fine literary Hebrew, the expression תוהו ובוהו “tohu ubohu” can be used to describe a big disorder, a real mess. So then, what does God “do” with this void or emptiness, like Genesis 1:2 He creates – He “hovers” over us with His spirit (see Acts 2:3) and creates in us a “new” spirit, correct? – So really in turn, like scripture states, “Psalm 51:10 Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.”

 

[MorningSong51]

Remember the verse, “3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.”

Because - the law, We read (again) all this in Daniel “In the Book of Daniel it is written: והמשכילים יזהרו כזוהר הרקיע Vehamaskilim yezaharu kezohar harakia…,” (“And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament”).

1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it. …and the reasoning’s that you can’t add nor subtract - answer: anything that takes away from the glory of God…so did Jesus do that? No, he displayed God’s glory all the way to the very end…

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

I was not really getting at that point .** I was pointing out that the church does not condemn them to Hell** in fact opposite however they are in error for rejecting the trinity of course

Isn’t that quite the opposite in islam - doesn’t the koran state that is the fate of Pagans, Jews and Christian?

The Church doesn’t condemn anyone to hell, the Church has claim many to be saints but never said any soul is definitely in hell. While the Church does point out that there are certain actions and beliefs that can lead one to hell it doesn’t place people in hell or condemn people.

I don’t see islam as not fully understanding the truth, imo I see it a refuting the truth. It’s not that that religion doesn’t understand the Trinity or only imperfectly understand it, I see it as the spirit behind that religion wants one to know it fully understands that it is denying Jesus as God.

 

[MorningSong51]

Our Lord opens our eyes to many things (28. But there is a God in heaven Who reveals secrets - chapter 2: 19 Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in the vision of the night )– he can reveal himself in his word, also can open our eyes to our own sins so that we can repent of them, as to be forgiven (which is a blessing), he can lead us to people – in friendship and also to those people who are meant to be an important part of our lives (from inside our own faith or perhaps not), we make ourselves available, by the grace of God, to help those who cannot help themselves (sometimes) – even this provides us with our spiritual development and we (also) open ourselves to God in prayer, and he opens our eyes to him (Beer Lahai Roi - “the One who sees me”) – as he fills us with the strength of his words and comforts us. We are filled with Spirit – as he reveals Himself, by his word.

This explanation was longer than I wanted– the rest won’t be. What the law was meant to do – was to be avoidance to sin, right? To be united as a people back to God, a way of life - a path, directing the people on how to live and maintain their relationship with God (see Luke 1:6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly and in Genesis 17:1 -“I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully and be blameless.) - the statement naaseh v’nishma–we will do and we will hear. … echoes in every Jewish person ears, as well as in the ears of every Muslim, to the Sharia (the path or direction in which to walk blamelessly, and to the judgments)

In every stanza, you will read, obey and follow the law. Jesus taught, to follow the law – but also to have compassion, mercy and good judgment, like the Father. It necessary to understand, that Christ was obedient in every way, and that He was One with the Father – in likeness, image and in wisdom - and in judgment of the law. The laws were made, specifically to each nation (nations under each tribe, accordingly) – and to remain united under God’s kingdom. The theory behind this, was the fact of how “one” interprets the law PERFECTLY, and Christ (who was wise, even more than Solomon, interpret law with mercy, compassion and perfect judgment (as you will read toward the end of the passage in John 9))

What does the law acknowledge, Be you therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful and be to one another kind, compassionate, forgiving one another, so as God also in Christ has forgiven you, and the greatest commandment 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

So now, the remaining part of the passage:

3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. 7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. 8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” 9 Some claimed that he was. Others said, “No, he only looks like him. But he himself insisted, “I am the man. 10 “How then were your eyes opened?” they asked. 11 He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see. Such a great passage! - everyone is asking, who made this man see!

12 “Where is this man?” they asked him. "I don’t know,” he said. The Pharisees Investigate the Healing 13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. 14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. 15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.”

Now the law givers were called into the issue – and they asked many questions to this man on how he came to see again. Remember, this was the same law that condemned this man at birth! - Now, the law givers need to know who “redeemed” him.

9 Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” 40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?” 41 **Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. **

 

[MorningSong51]

Isn’t that quite the opposite in islam - doesn’t the koran state that is the fate of Pagans, Jews and Christian?

The Church doesn’t condemn anyone to hell, the Church has claim many to be saints but never said any soul is definitely in hell. While the Church does point out that there are certain actions and beliefs that can lead one to hell it doesn’t place people in hell or condemn people.

I don’t see islam as not fully understanding the truth, imo I see it a refuting the truth. It’s not that that religion doesn’t understand the Trinity or only imperfectly understand it, I see it as the spirit behind that religion wants one to know it fully understands that it is denying Jesus as God.

Perhaps, but didn’t Isaiah say that God would blind them - “He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn–and I would heal them.”

and also in Deuteronomy 29:2 Moses summoned all the Israelites and said to them:

Your eyes have seen all that the Lord did in Egypt to Pharaoh, to all his officials and to all his land. 3 With your own eyes you saw those great trials, those miraculous signs and great wonders. **4 But to this day the Lord has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear. ** What happened after these miracles - "There were those who trusted implicitly in God and who jumped into the sea and found themselves on dry land. The other group did not have such a high level of trust in God - even though they had seen the Ten Plagues afflict the Egyptians and had witnessed the miracles accompanying the Exodus from Egypt - they waited until they saw the dry land and then went on the dry land in the midst of the sea.

So wasn’t it a matter of a belief - even back then? - The miracle of the Redemption, and how it had unfolded, some people (back then) did not internally comprehend the idea of being free from their slavery. So to think, even in the time of Christ, how many disbelieved - perhaps it couldn’t be grasped. So which is worse? Disclaiming the redemption and the events or Non acceptance of the day Christ came and was called to bring Salvation. Personally, I think, both.

 

[MorningSong51]

If someone has the administrative authorization to delete a post - could someone erase my double posting on board - 2nd to the last post. I’ve written an email to one of the moderator’s - but I don’t know if any are on board

thanks
Mary

 

[apfrita]

Yes Vatican II didn’t say anything about the Quran or Muhammad, if it did then it would have made no sense. It stated that we worship the same God and praised Muslims for virtuous acts. In other words it was setting out some areas of commonality. We therefore have more in common with them than many other groups.
I would still say that it is perspective since you’ve assumed the Biblical account is correct. A muslim wouldn’t. So we’d get into a stale mate wouldn’t we? My revelation says this so you’re wrong, but my revelation says something else so you’re wrong ad infinitum. We argue, but this doesn’t change the nature of God.
So a Christian should affirm their beliefs, but since only God knows all then we need to take the possibility that we may be wrong. To do otherwise is arrogance. Also to do otherwise is to suggest the other religion has no right to exist even though God’s plan has empirically proved otherwise. Interesting our best scholar on Islam Louis Massignon said: “mysterious answer of (divine) grace to Abraham’s prayer for Ismael and the Arab race”. (Borrmans, 122).
We differ, we feel they are inferior, but we have some common ground and have a right to exist. God is the only judge

Remember that Jesus proved beyond doubt with various proofs that he is God. So if God reveals himself, then there is no scope for any conjecture. Christians believe in Jesus not because of the Bible alone, but because of the experience of the Apostles who lived with him and were willing to die for their beliefs in the most horrendous way. In fact in the first few decades of Chritianity there was no written New Testament, but that was the best time for Christianity and people even were willing to die horrendous deaths because of the belief in Jesus’ resurrection.

I do not think the Muslims are inferior since they are also created by the same one God. But their revelation of God via the Quran, if it had not negated the revelation of Jesus would have been true revelation. For e.g any revelation that finds more meaning out of the revelation of Jesus after careful study can be accepted as further light to the earlier revelation, but once the later revelation negates what the earlier said and that too its prime aspect, then it can safely be treated as revelation about a new God, not the same one as the earlier God. Jesus said that he is God and proved it too. But Muhammed comes and say that he is a true prophet of God and no more. This negates the revelation of a true prophet so he makes Jesus a false prophet. So Muhammed contradicts himself. And because of that the revelation that he gives about God cannot be the God of Jesus. It has to be another God. Of course this goes against the Christian and also the Jewish belief that there is only one God. So that’s another problem for the Muslim faith. Jesus gave the revelation (albeit indirectly) that there are three persons in the one God that the Jews believed in. So he gave further Revelation of that same God, but did not contradict the God of the Jews. Muslim faith as given by Muhammed does contradict Jesus’ revelation.

At most we can safely say about the Muslim faith that the God they worship cannot be the God of the Christians.

 

[Ahimsa]

…doesn’t the koran state that is the fate of Pagans, Jews and Christian?

No.

 

[manualman]

…
Why did Jesus tell people there were no husbands and wives in heaven, and then the same god says a few hundred years later that there are women in heaven?
…

Muslims believe there are WOMEN in heaven?! Apalling!



Perhaps you are referring to the 72 virgins allegedly awarded to jihadi martyrs for deflowering and subsequent eternal enjoyment?

 

[Lisa44]

Muslims believe there are WOMEN in heaven?! Apalling!



Perhaps you are referring to the 72 virgins allegedly awarded to jihadi martyrs for deflowering and subsequent eternal enjoyment?

*wives, not women. do you want to be my editor?

 

[Lisa44]

Remember the verse, “3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.”

Because - the law, We read (again) all this in Daniel “In the Book of Daniel it is written: והמשכילים יזהרו כזוהר הרקיע Vehamaskilim yezaharu kezohar harakia…,” (“And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament”).

1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it. …and the reasoning’s that you can’t add nor subtract - answer: anything that takes away from the glory of God…so did Jesus do that? No, he displayed God’s glory all the way to the very end…

Morningsong,
Could you state your thesis or main idea as it relates to the thread in one sentence or two sentences?
I’m afraid you lost me. I was not really wondering why he saved the woman’s life because that is fairly obvious. It’s not nice to bury people up to their necks and hit them with rocks until they die.

 

[Lisa44]

Well it is the magisterium that said it was the same God after careful research prayer and meditation. Lets not let media driven rubbish go against the Churches teaching. To be honest based on some of the examples you suggest they are only ‘diametrically opposed’ in your mind, not in reality. I’m sorry you feel that way

Oh I see, so according to you, in reality, Jesus meant to endorse the stoning of adulterers.
Be careful what you say peice of cake.

 

[manualman]

*wives, not women. do you want to be my editor?

No, but I reserve the right to poke fun at any and all humorous typos I come across.

It breaks up my day…

 

[MorningSong51]

Morningsong,
Could you state your thesis or main idea as it relates to the thread in one sentence or two sentences?
I’m afraid you lost me. I was not really wondering why he saved the woman’s life because that is fairly obvious. It’s not nice to bury people up to their necks and hit them with rocks until they die.

Sure - in one or two sentences. These laws that we’re reading about in scripture and in other religions, is based on maximum usage of the law - there was no compassion when they deliberated them. Christ - taught the law and also taught them how to follow the law “What does the law acknowledge, Be you therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful and be to one another kind, compassionate, forgiving one another, so as God also in Christ has forgiven you” In some cases today and in the past, compassion, mercy and good judgment, is/was not being used within the law - that’s why so many women/wives/people are leaving the faith and converting over to other religions - so it is a wrong. It necessary to understand, that Christ was obedient in every way, and that He was One with the Father – in likeness, image and in wisdom - and in Precedence in law - to be able to argue the fact of.

Again, so what does it state in scripture? 1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it. …and the reasoning’s that you can’t add nor subtract - answer: anything that takes away from the glory of God…so did Jesus do that? No, he displayed God’s glory all the way to the very end…even when it came to redeeming someone from their sin, he brought salvation - he gave/showed God’s mercy, compassion and sound judgment, he demonstrated how God’s mercy toward judging others - was detrimental! - remember the Woe statements. Jesus was warning them about all this! Christ wasn’t against the law (The Torah) he was against how the givers of the law were exercising them over the people, these laws were given to the people at Sinai, and in the case of Sharia law - it basically reflects or mirrors the Torah.

We know that the laws - gave/showed the glory to God - so did the people or the law givers show this in any of these cases? No. So what does this tell you about their judgments in these cases - on marital laws? or family law? There are many laws (like choking) that could be used on punishment (in Jewish law)- but they had never been used - never! and yes, I can back this with references, tonight I will email all info to you personally

 

[Lisa44]

Sure - in one or two sentences. These laws that we’re reading about in scripture and in other religions, is based on maximum usage of the law - there was no compassion when they deliberated them. Christ - taught the law and also taught them how to follow the law “What does the law acknowledge, Be you therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful and be to one another kind, compassionate, forgiving one another, so as God also in Christ has forgiven you” In some cases today and in the past, compassion, mercy and good judgment, is/was not being used within the law - that’s why so many women/wives/people are leaving the faith and converting over to other religions - so it is a wrong. It necessary to understand, that Christ was obedient in every way, and that He was One with the Father – in likeness, image and in wisdom - and in Precedence in law - to be able to argue the fact of.

Again, so what does it state in scripture? 1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it. …and the reasoning’s that you can’t add nor subtract - answer: anything that takes away from the glory of God…so did Jesus do that? No, he displayed God’s glory all the way to the very end…even when it came to redeeming someone from their sin, he brought salvation - he gave/showed God’s mercy, compassion and sound judgment, he demonstrated how God’s mercy toward judging others - was detrimental! - remember the Woe statements. Jesus was warning them about all this! Christ wasn’t against the law (The Torah) he was against how the givers of the law were exercising them over the people, these laws were given to the people at Sinai, and in the case of Sharia law - it basically reflects or mirrors the Torah.

We know that the laws - gave/showed the glory to God - so did the people or the law givers show this in any of these cases? No. So what does this tell you about their judgments in these cases - on marital laws? or family law? There are many laws (like choking) that could be used on punishment (in Jewish law)- but they had never been used - never! and yes, I can back this with references, tonight I will email all info to you personally

You lost me again, in reference to the OP question, I still have no idea what your position is.
What law are you talking about? The ten commandments says thou shalt not murder.

Can you show me where in the torah it states that adulterers should be stoned to death?

Sharia law is not from the torah by the way. I think a Jew would be very insulted by that.

Sharia law comes from the Koran and hadith.

 

[Peace_of_cake]

Oh I see, so according to you, in reality, Jesus meant to endorse the stoning of adulterers.
Be careful what you say peice of cake.

Its peace of cake… I spent a long time coming up with that play on words
Anyway, given the authority by which I make the claim then are you suggesting the Church should be careful what it says
It is both male and female (don’t know why you mentioned only women before???) adulterers (not fornicators) given strict conditions (so strict that the Ottomons did it once in its 900 years tenyor of the Muslims) and it is also a law prescribed in the OT too (so was that a different God?). I dont think it is understood Jesus’ condemnation was so much for the law per se but rather its implimentation, i.e. He was adding a new dimension to justice namely mercy and empathy.
The Church has a long history of punishing crimes of the ‘occult’ so socerers, heretics, sodomisers etc were burnt at the stake. Interestingly a Muslim would see this as abhorent since ‘only God punishes by fire.’
Historically there have been harsh punishments and it is only as we become more worldly do we suddenly have this tendency to take everything lightly. Are sins dealt with more severely on Earth or in Purgatory or Hell? Is it more merciful to let people wonder into Hell or put up great big deterents?
Anyway these were just some things to think about.

 

[Peace_of_cake]

Can you show me where in the torah it states that adulterers should be stoned to death?

Think most of the references to stoning are in Deuteronomy (Exodus also contains much law), one such example is:
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

 

[MorningSong51]

You lost me again, in reference to the OP question, I still have no idea what your position is.
What law are you talking about? The ten commandments says thou shalt not murder.

Can you show me where in the torah it states that adulterers should be stoned to death?

Sharia law is not from the torah by the way. I think a Jew would be very insulted by that.

Sharia law comes from the Koran and hadith.

which is a reflect or mirror imagine of the Torah. Also, on another thread, I had said that Jews and Muslims have many beliefs & practice that they both share together, for example a non-Trinitarian belief - Monotheism, body of Islamic law “Sharia” (The term means “way” or "path) that deals with specifically religious, political, social, domestic and private life issues (for Jews-Torah referred to as the “path to follow,” or a “way on which to go,” also deals with everyday life events & hears discrepancies as well as gives ruling on those issues), practice of ritual circumcision, a great respect for the prophets of Israel (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc…) Muslims have set times of the day for prayer (for Muslims it’s five times a day–Jews three times a day), there practices are very similar in dietary codes-Halal laws (for Jews Kosher laws).

and as Muslims patriarchs are also Abraham and also Moses - Genesis 17: 17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”

19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26** Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that very day. **27 And every male in Abraham’s household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

Read please - it is not an insult.