Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

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The Catechism states that GOD does have a plan for salvation for the muslims . They worship God the father . The god of the old testament just as the Jews do.Surely they do reject the trinity but they do worship the first divine person in the trinity . God the father .
Oh really? so who is in the 1st place after Christians? Muslims or Jews? Muslims reject the fatherhood of God and believe that both OT and NT are forged. Atleast Jews believe in OT.Who has the better chance? Muslims or Jews? I think Jews should have the better chance what does The Catechism say?answer me please ok :)? I do not know about it.
 
Why did Jesus stop people from stoning to death the adulterous woman?

And then why did God instruct the Muslims to bury women up to their necks and stone them?

Why did Jesus tell men to have only one wife? And then the same God says, ok, 4 wives?

Why did Jesus tell men not to put their wives away? And then the same god tells Muslims they may have divorce by saying to their wives 3 times “I divorce you”?

Why did Jesus tell people there were no husbands and wives in heaven, and then the same god says a few hundred years later that there are women in heaven?

Why did Jesus say to turn the other cheek and then the same god tells people to kill infidels?

Why did Jesus say to spread the gospel and then later tell his people to ban the bible?

If it is the same god then the Catholic church should really elaborate on their statements and explain to us how their god can be diametrically opposed to our god, and yet the same?

How can two beliefs be diametrically opposed to each other, and yet, be the same?

How is it that we can know anything about God, except through his revellation to us, and how is it possible that two diametrically opposed revellations can be from the same god.

I would LOVE to hear more from the Catholic church on this.

They really have some explaining to do.
Well Good analysis!! Indeed Islam shows many cruelty. But all are adopted from OT ;).

However one thing why Jesus said," love your enemy". make no sense! Will you survive if you start loving your enemy? 😉
 
However one thing why Jesus said," love your enemy". make no sense! Will you survive if you start loving your enemy? 😉
Sure we will survive better, hatred only brings hatred. About the OP, same God in origin but different understandings of what this God is and his characters.
 
Sure we will survive better, hatred only brings hatred. About the OP, same God in origin but different understandings of what this God is and his characters.
You are atheist right? My question was to Christians, not to you. Since when atheists started loving enemies? Or when Christians did?Did you forget middle age? I hope not.
 
You are atheist right? My question was to Christians, not to you. Since when atheists started loving enemies? Or when Christians did?Did you forget middle age? I hope not.
Why wouldn’t an atheist love his enemies?! I don’t even like the word ’ enemies’… If some Christians did bad things, that doesn’t mean all of them are bad, and it doesn’t mean that they were following the rule of loving the enemy. This is a forum and people give replies.
 
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Jesus buhdist…that is rich.

The question is in the opposite eye of the beholder.

It is the same God - except that Christians see this God as Loving and peaceful but Muslims see Him as the excuse for war and hatred of the Jews.!!!

Jesus Buddist…please:shrug:
 
The Catholic Church only teaches that those who acknowledge the one creator of the universe are included in God’s plan of salvation. The church speaks favorably only of Muslims themselves, not Mohammed or Islam, which is why that part of the catechism is not titled “Islam” but “the church’s relationship with Muslims”. The Church also acknowledges that Muslims profess to follow Abraham’s faith without itself acknowledging that this is true.

Whether or not the Church is wrong for claiming that Muslims, together with us worship the one God can be deduced easily from reason. Muslims don’t just claim to worship God, but a God whom they identify as one creator of everything and ultimate judge of everyone, they give him the attributes of oneness of being, omnipresence, omniscience, omnipotence, transcendence, infinite- These are attributes of the only true God and him alone, not a creature/demon or anything else other than God. Clearly what they mean to worship is the one true God, whom they call Allah. This is not just true for Muslims but anyone who means to worship a being with these attributes, including the ancient Greeks who proved the existence of one God, and other groups with such beliefs- These are universal truths common to everyone by the application of reason, w/out any special revelation from God.

But the Church clearly rejects in no uncertain terms Muhammad’s “revelation” as seen in the quotations of the catechism no. 65 to 73 cited earlier, which “revelation” denies entirely all the fundamental Christian truths- The Trinity of persons in the one nature/being of God, the Divinity of Christ, Incarnation, Crucifixion, Death, Resurrection of Christ, The Divinity of the Holy Spirit of God. The only aspects of the Religion itself that the Church acknowledges positively are those that are found/can be found with reason, available to everyone, and just happen to also be in Islam. Otherwise, all the writings of the Church should always be taken to refer to the Muslims who innocently believe in Mohammed and his religion, not to Islam or Mohammed. So don’t criticize the Church unjustly.
 
The main question was: "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Do Christians worship God in the same way as Muslims do? The theological answers toward this question - and as I reversed the original question- isn’t a matter of being able to determine which religion worships the true God but a matter of who worships him in truth, as we understand the truth to be according to the books of the bible from both the Old Testament to the New Testament. In the Trinitarian religions, the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις) — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — distinctly coexisting in unity as co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial (Greek: ὁμοούσιοι), or of one being (Greek: οὐσία). The Trinity itself is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith. However, Trinitarianism contrasts with non-Trinitarian positions - as the differences are wide. So the question remains, do all Christian worship God in the same way? - 12 Apostles, 12 opinions. We all have a common and mutual thread, and that thread is Christ and our love for him, how we demonstrate that love and how we listen to his words and act on them, how we pray and as he responds back to us - we reach out and he takes our hand. Our concerns outside our own tradition of faith and how we unite as brothers/sisters in Christ is our goal, this should be in how we respond to each other and work together in Christ’s name, so we should be seen as “we” and not listed as a “them”, as to separate one from another.

In many movements of non Christian origin, especially Monotheistic religions, there different movements, and within each, that either follow the Mosaic laws of either the Torah (Halakha (Jewish law) and the oral tradition, including the Mishnah, the halakhic Midrash, the Talmud, and a most important code, the Shulchan Aruch, guides the religious practice of most Orthodox and some Conservative Jews. again, a distinction between movement )

In Islamic law (and as noted), the Sharia (“the path way”) and Islamic jurisprudence- Fiqh, from (and from**) the Qur’an, being a secular legal concept that not only implies moral conduct accordingly but also how each religious leader will interpret from either book then transmits to the people - the law and the logic, with wisdom, mercy and good judgment. Within either religions, there are both Orthodox movement and Ultra movement, even Conservative as well as Reform. The question to all of this is, so do they worship the same God - if they don’t all follow the same thought, logic and divinity of the law, in both written and oral - dare we say this? As some believe or interpret worship/laws differently, as one exceeds the other. Which movement determines the true form of worship, which laws do they adhere to and which do we disregard and consider non binding? Each movement, accordingly feels that the another isn’t fulfilling the binding of the law - does that mean they are not worshiping correctly or does that mean they don’t worship the same God? - What’s truth? Absolute Truth?

How can we make that kind of determination - here and now, when even their own movements have questioned it? - We’re in the Christian religion, how can we answer the question from being outside their scope of understanding the laws from within. That wouldn’t make sense, either.
Of course on coming to this conclusion, we cannot say that Muslims are inferior to Christians or Jews. No person in this world is inferior to anyone else, since they were all created by the one God, who is the God of the Jews as well as the Christians. But beliefs can be inferior or superior based on how much those beliefs are based on actual revelation from God, or opinions of God from a human perspective. Once God reveals himself, claiming to be God and proving inconclusively like Jesus did, it does not give much choice to human beings. They have to either accept the true God who revealed himself or reject him and choose to worship a god of their own making.
 
what ? DOnt you put words in my mouth .The CATECHSIM states that they do worship the god of the OT . THey reject the trinity which we accept of course . Walk in m y shoes and debate muslims on a regular basis before critiquing my comments about muslims faith .
They may worship the God of Abraham, but we cannot pray with them because the first words out of their mouths is a denial of the Holy Trinity. The Koran is nothing if not an explicit denial of the divinity of Jesus and of his mission.
 
Some very useful posts, so thank-you. I dabble in a bit of Arabic and so much appreciated your break down of the Arabic ‘Allah’ 👍
if i would have known, at the start, that all I needed to do was list the passage from Deuteronomy - then life could have been a lot sweeter! POC, this was a blessing, you’ve helped me in another way, that being, towards a friend of mine on another board. I took the time to re-read our notes, as it was about the same topic, and I really thought about what he was trying to tell me - about growth. You know, you can’t bring back old friends but you can learn from them and grow with the new ones. The board member, that I once knew, was such a great friend and I enjoyed the conversations with him. I wish, back then, what I learned today - One more note: We don’t want to be identical to someone’s else’s teachings (a wannabee) but we do want to be in line with teaching’s/laws as they are interpreted for us by the leaders of our community, as within our faith and not to deviate from them, that’s when trouble strikes the cord and we see ourselves drifting. And I have drifted too many times, it time to come home.

Thanks
Mary
 
Thanks
Mary
Most people here want short quick fix answers it seems. Problem is, is that most things can’t be answered in this way.
On the stoning. We all know John 8.7. I always saw this as a criticism for the judgemental behaviour of the Scribes and Pharasees. Looked it up in Catena Aurea. Some interesting stuff there. Augustine says:
He did not say, Stone her not, lest He should seem to speak contrary to the law. But God forbid that He should say, Stone her; for He came not to destroy that which He found, but to seek that which was lost. What then did He answer? He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. This is the voice of justice. Let the sinner be punished, but not by sinners; the law carried into effect, but not by transgressors of the law
Obviously the law holds no intrinsic value, but it does embody right action. The Church at first in keeping with it’s withdrawn community style implemented a type of anathema then public penance. As she moved into state control the imperium Christiana Followed the Roman Lex Julia on top of the anathema. Lex Julia being banishment of both parties to separate islands, although if caught inflagrante the husband or father could kill them with immunity. This seems to haven the trend through medieval Christendom. Thereafter as the Church lost it’s place of absolute monarchy went back to anathema and penance, which is basically what we have now ie major sin and can’t have Eucharist until confess and repent. The Church seeing the marriage union as a sacrament does at all cost try not to break that which God has joined.
Anyway, I don’t think it’s fair for some to say Christ totally forbid it etc but the fact the Church didn’t go with it suggests she disapproves. Just some thoughts…
 
Why wouldn’t an atheist love his enemies?! I don’t even like the word ’ enemies’… If some Christians did bad things, that doesn’t mean all of them are bad, and it doesn’t mean that they were following the rule of loving the enemy. This is a forum and people give replies.
Very well,give replies I have no problem. But you wrote “we” and that’s why I said so.You are an atheist so if I wrote anything to Christians, you can reply but if you use “we” then is it not a bit contradictory?Should I assume that you are a Christian too? Well if you used “WE” for human race then I am also one of them. BTW, I like the word enemy,because it does exist.If any robber will come to your house,will your protest him or will ask him to rob you and you will offer him dinner before he leaves? Anyway everyone can question about the flaws of all religions, but it does not mean that anyone is attacking any religious group,when did I say that Christians are bad? Christians are much better than any Muslim,because Christians have religious tolerance and Muslims don’t have it.Most of Muslims have no religious tolerance and that’s why some Muslims betray and become non religious but most of them even can’t convert to other religion openly because of fear.In Muslim countries we do not live free as you. So we who live in restricted Muslim countries, know the stuffs much better than the peoples who live in free and democratic countries,because we are victims. Thank You.
 
The Catholic Church only teaches that those who acknowledge the one creator of the universe are included in God’s plan of salvation. The church speaks favorably only of Muslims themselves, not Mohammed or Islam, which is why that part of the catechism is not titled “Islam” but “the church’s relationship with Muslims”. The Church also acknowledges that Muslims profess to follow Abraham’s faith without itself acknowledging that this is true.

Whether or not the Church is wrong for claiming that Muslims, together with us worship the one God can be deduced easily from reason. Muslims don’t just claim to worship God, but a God whom they identify as one creator of everything and ultimate judge of everyone, they give him the attributes of oneness of being, omnipresence, omniscience, omnipotence, transcendence, infinite- These are attributes of the only true God and him alone, not a creature/demon or anything else other than God. Clearly what they mean to worship is the one true God, whom they call Allah. This is not just true for Muslims but anyone who means to worship a being with these attributes, including the ancient Greeks who proved the existence of one God, and other groups with such beliefs- These are universal truths common to everyone by the application of reason, w/out any special revelation from God.

But the Church clearly rejects in no uncertain terms Muhammad’s “revelation” as seen in the quotations of the catechism no. 65 to 73 cited earlier, which “revelation” denies entirely all the fundamental Christian truths- The Trinity of persons in the one nature/being of God, the Divinity of Christ, Incarnation, Crucifixion, Death, Resurrection of Christ, The Divinity of the Holy Spirit of God. The only aspects of the Religion itself that the Church acknowledges positively are those that are found/can be found with reason, available to everyone, and just happen to also be in Islam. Otherwise, all the writings of the Church should always be taken to refer to the Muslims who innocently believe in Mohammed and his religion, not to Islam or Mohammed. So don’t criticize the Church unjustly.
Good post. Actually if Church teaches that Non Christians also have the chance of salvation then it is clear that Church is much liberal and softer than other religious organizations. I appreciate it. :).Because actually Muslims are just brain washed peoples by Islam. I feel sorry for them.
 
i asked a priest in one of the catholic churches in the city of bellingham, washington (usa) whether god and allah were the same personage, and he told me that he did not know.

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Good post. Actually if Church teaches that Non Christians also have the chance of salvation then it is clear that Church is much liberal and softer than other religious organizations. I appreciate it. :).Because actually Muslims are just brain washed peoples by Islam. I feel sorry for them.
Hi there Rain_Bow - welcome to CAF ~

If you don’t mind, can you explain your view regarding the topic…

Do Christians & Muslims worship the same God…??

Thanks
 
Hi there Rain_Bow - welcome to CAF ~

If you don’t mind, can you explain your view regarding the topic…

Do Christians & Muslims worship the same God…??

Thanks
Thank You Jakasaki.Well If you ask my point of view then I would like to say that there is huge difference between the God of OT and NT though Christians claim that they are same. Anyway I read OT, Many of it’s verses are as cruel as Koran.So I supposed that Mohammad Copied those verses and altered and created his own New Book Koran.So if anyone say that The God of OT and Islamic Deity Allah is same ,I will agree. But later in NT Jesus Christ became Much softer than The God of OT and NT is beautiful book.I admire it but some verses are not clear like ,“Love your enemy” and few others. So if you Consider the God of NT as the real Christian God, then Indeed I can say that Allah and the God of NT are not the same God,because the God of NT if a very soft and Kind God,not Cruel Like Allah or The God of OT Jehova or whatever you call it.So since Christians say that OT is abolished by NT, **so I do not think that A kind God( of NT) is same as a Cruel God (Allah) who always plan to burn peoples in Hell for eternity **:). Thanks.
 
My 2 cents regarding this interesting topic:
Islam teaches that God is the Creator and Sustain-er of the Universe and everything that exists within it and He is the ONLY Deity who is worthy of worship.

If Christians agree with this definition of who God is and subsequently worship Him, then this means that they are worshiping the same God as Muslims do.
No.

Christians know a further quality of God. The quality is that humans are created to his image. We have something maybe not understandable us, which puts us however remotely in the samecategory as God. Therefore each and every individual human,whatever his deeds, is in a sense “holy”, though the word we actually use is human dignity.
This has among other effects, the consequence that humans possess inalienable rights and that while God might be a mystery he is not completly alien. The first has profound political consequences - a mistreatment of a human is not only breaking Gods law but a mistreatment of God - and the latter profound philosophical consequences - human reason can and should be used in respect to God and if that reason tells us, that something supposedly from God is not from God in a literal way (e.g. the creation story cannot according to human reason be a explicit verbatim account of Gods acts during creation), we know that we misunderstand God somehow.

I do not know, that Allah has such qualities. Reason is of limited use if one has the dictated word of Allah (the koran). And in that koran among other things, it is claimed, that the bible of christians is a corrupted version, with numerous lies. And it charges christians to upholding the supposedly false belief that Allahs hand is fettered, meaning that his might is somehow limited, which would make Thomas a heretic,because he claimed, that God cannot create a circle with some points closer and some points further from the center.
 
Islam teaches that God is the Creator and Sustain-er of the Universe and everything that exists within it and He is the ONLY Deity who is worthy of worship.

If Christians agree with this definition of who God is and subsequently worship Him, then this means that they are worshiping the same God as Muslims do.
Well Christians believe in trinity and claim that they are one. Father, son and holy spirit.though I have no idea how this 3 are actually one God! But it doesn’t matter that if they are 3 or one. But it does matter that the God of NT is not cruel,Like the Allah of Koran and the God of OT. Since you are a Muslim so you must read the Koran,have you read Surah 9? It hurts me a lot when I see that Allah ordered to kill non Muslims where ever you find them. Sounds Like the Old testament! Specially Judges 21 irritates me a lot. here peoples kidnap women and made them pregnant while God actually encouraged them to Do so. Did you read this?However Christians claim that OT is abolished by NT. But What will abolish the Surah 9 of Koran? Muslims believe that Koran can not be changed even a single word!
 
Thank You Jakasaki.Well If you ask my point of view then I would like to say that there is huge difference between the God of OT and NT though Christians claim that they are same. Anyway I read OT, Many of it’s verses are as cruel as Koran.So I supposed that Mohammad Copied those verses and altered and created his own New Book Koran.So if anyone say that The God of OT and Islamic Deity Allah is same ,I will agree. But later in NT Jesus Christ became Much softer than The God of OT and NT is beautiful book.I admire it but some verses are not clear like ,“Love your enemy” and few others. So if you Consider the God of NT as the real Christian God, then Indeed I can say that Allah and the God of NT are not the same God,because the God of NT if a very soft and Kind God,not Cruel Like Allah or The God of OT Jehova or whatever you call it.So since Christians say that OT is abolished by NT, **so I do not think that A kind God( of NT) is same as a Cruel God (Allah) who always plan to burn peoples in Hell for eternity **:). Thanks.
I used to have a problem with the OT too. Once, I saw a depiction of stoning (entirely fictional) which made me wonder how a God who commands this could possibly be loving and merciful as I had been taught as a Christian. I once asked the Priest how a loving God could send fire to Sodom & Gom, killing everyone, water to destroy people, command the entire massacre of a people (what we would call Genocide today) etc. The only thing I can answer, and what the priest told me, is that no matter how completely screwed up it may seem to us, everything, absolutely everythingLOVE. I know, sounds completely messed up, but that is ALL God ever does- Love, Love & nothing but it in the midst of the free will of his creatures with all its implications. God is not just all powerful but all knowing as well, and he knows all the possible outcomes of every single choice, action etc. Everything he does is aimed at bringing us the highest good without undermining our free will. I know God in the OT does not look like the God of Jesus, but he is the same God, and his overarching, (even all consuming) purpose in everything is Love of every last one of us, even those he commanded to be destroyed with their families, even the Sod & Gomorrah bunch.

How many people will we find in heaven who sought mercy during the flood and thereby saved their souls? Perhaps most of the Sod & Gom bunch are in heaven right now, as the people who were executed, perhaps numerous others who witnessed these things and turned from sin…God, who knows all things and desires only the highest happiness for us would do anything, (even the unthinkable- like join us!) to give it to us. Perhaps they lost their lives but gained their souls and if they did, believe me they rejoiced when they found themselves in Abraham’s bosom awaiting Jesus Christ- celebrating God’s “punishment” which was actually salvation. I know it’s not a good explanation, but whenever I found myself perplexed by God, I remind myself that God never has two or more motives for anything- everything he does, he does for Love alone.
 
Most people here want short quick fix answers it seems. Problem is, is that most things can’t be answered in this way.
On the stoning. We all know John 8.7. I always saw this as a criticism for the judgemental behaviour of the Scribes and Pharasees. Looked it up in Catena Aurea. Some interesting stuff there. Augustine says:
He did not say, Stone her not, lest He should seem to speak contrary to the law. But God forbid that He should say, Stone her; for He came not to destroy that which He found, but to seek that which was lost. What then did He answer? He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. This is the voice of justice. Let the sinner be punished, but not by sinners; the law carried into effect, but not by transgressors of the law
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He did not say, Stone her not, lest He should seem to speak contrary to the law. But God forbid that He should say, Stone her; for He came not to destroy that which He found, but to seek that which was lost. What then did He answer? He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. This is the voice of justice. Let the sinner be punished, but not by sinners; the law carried into effect, but not by transgressors of the law
There is a continual motion or flow with this verse on the woman:

9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

11“No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

All verses are very important to the reader, however, it is in the last verse, “Go and sin no more” - that Jesus tells the woman that the scribes and the Pharisees can not condemn her any longer - her guilt is cleared/clean/written off. This verse should be based on the word - teshuvah (repentance) and read further, as leaving one’s sin behind (Genesis 19:26 - as Lot’s wife turned to look back, and she became a pillar of salt. (it is a metaphor to the description of sin) - if we look back or return back, something worse will happen because God had redeemed that person, and if the sin returns “how” many other sins will return with it! ),

“the Go and Sin no more!” verse - should (also) be based upon the word Kapparah, which means: “forgiveness or withdrawal of claim. This is a legal concept, borrowed from the laws of property. Just as one may release his fellow man of a debt owed to him, so may God absolve one of penalty to which he is liable due to sin. Kapparah removes the need for punishment.”

teshuvah (repentance) and kapparah (acquittal) man puts a protective covering between himself and the punishment for his sin. According to Rashi, the words “kapparah” (acquittal) and “kofer” (indemnity payment) are derived from the same Hebrew root "kfr”] and have a common signification. Punishment is not a self‑negating phenomenon–an indemnity must be offered and paid in order to withdraw the liability claim. That indemnity payment is made through teshuvah (repentance) itself. Kapparah (acquittal) is the result of the payment of this “ransom” which releases and redeems man from punishment. All this concerns the liability incurred by the sinner. The moment acquittal is granted and punishment wiped from the books, man’s liability is terminated.

So Christ, who offers prayers and supplication on our behalf before the Father, acquits us and we are pardon, with the thought of Him strengthening us to not sin, the same sin twice!

Remember Nehemiah prays and recalls the sins and how many times God forgave them - "And I said, "I beseech You, O Lord God of heaven, the great and awesome God, Who keeps the Covenant and loving-kindness to those who love Him and to those who keep His commandments. ( In all that we do, how many times must we forgive our brother)
  1. Let Your ear now be attentive and Your eyes open to listen to the prayer of Your servant, which I pray before You today, day and night, concerning the Children of Israel, Your servants, and I confess the sins of the Children of Israel, which we sinned against You; and I and my father’s house have sinned."
These prayers from the prophets are very strong because of their plea to God, comes from the faith deep inside: “Moses was beseeching the Jewish people to reciprocate in kind, by rededicating themselves to God for all times as His chosen people—even when it becomes increasingly difficult to do so. Even in circumstances when it is not rationally beneficial…”
Remember Christ wept over the Jerusalem and the people, …as well as Jesus wept for Lazarus - in the same breath. He then came to the tomb and told the people to remove the stone covering the tomb, prayed aloud to his Father, and ordered Lazarus to come out, resurrecting him before the mourners. - it is with this loud cry that we are heard and God responds, Christ is our benefactor in heaven.

It is with this thought, in prayer, that the soul and spirit brings us back to God - with tears and sorrow, but as they say, you have clear out all the stones and debris in the field before laying the seed for the harvest, out of pain comes the joy!

Blessing
Mary
 
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