Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

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Allah the god of Islam denies the crucifixion.
Islam may deny Christ’s crucifixion, but history does not!
Muslims apparently consider Jesus to be a prophet.
Jesus prophesied his own death and resurrection.
They do not accept that.
How can they consider him a prophet, but deny his prophecy?
 
How do you know what Allah denies - have you asked him? Again, the word Allah is just the Arabic word for God - accordingly, Allah is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish in Arabia. newadvent.org/cathen/01316a.htm

It is interesting though about the ascension of Jesus - and what was said, and even when it came to Moses and the prophets, in passages of the Night Journey (Isra and Mi’raj - It has been described as both a physical and spiritual journey). In the New Testament, and reading about the transfiguration, Moses appeared with Elijah on the mountain before Jesus and his 3 apostles, James, John and Peter. So the question, did Moses ascend into heaven after his death? It’s not hard to imagine - that they do think that Jesus was raised and ascended into Heaven…
That means nothing. Just because they have the same generic title doesn’t mean it is the same GOD. Just as pagans worshipped gods.

You have to read the Quran and see the characteristics displayed by allah to see that he is not YHWH.

Allah denies the crucifixion in the Quran-supposedly his exact words.

Everyone should read the Quran to see what Muslims believe.
 
Islam may deny Christ’s crucifixion, but history does not!
Muslims apparently consider Jesus to be a prophet.
Jesus prophesied his own death and resurrection.
They do not accept that.
How can they consider him a prophet, but deny his prophecy?
Exactly. Same way Muslims say the Gospel has been corrupted BUT the Quran does not!!!

Pray for Muslims they are caught in a violent cult that can kill them if they leave it.
 
The Church’s catechism states Christians, Muslims and the Jews worship the same God, but like the Jews, the Muslims worship God The Father and thus have an incomplete view. This is not too far off, we have an example of this in scripture where St. Paul identified an unknown Gentile God as Our God as well. That said Muhammad’s revelations could have well been Satanic in origin, but this does not mean they do not worship the same God. The Protestant “Reformers” like Luther, Zwingli, Calvin etc. were not influenced by God but by pride and disobedience to The Church and thus were influenced by Satan in spreading their heresy, this does not mean that Protestants are not Christians and worship the same God as Catholics or that their baptisms are invalid. See what I mean?
Please state where in the Roman Catholic Church’s Catechism is it stated that Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Some of the quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church are given below. The only place Muslims are mentioned is in para 841.

**841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330

330 LG 16; cf. NA 3.**

Lumen Gentium para 16 (LG 16 referred to in the CCC) quoted below:

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20*) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, “Preach the Gospel to every creature”,(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.**

Thus the Catechism para 841 only teaches that the Muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham; it does not make any statement whether that statement is true or not.

and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. - Again here the CCC only says that Christians and Muslims adore the one merciful God … But it does not say that they adore the same God. CCC only means that the God the Christians worship and that the Muslims worship have some common attributes: He is the Creator, He is One, He is merciful, and He is the one judge of mankind on the last day. But CCC nowhere says that they worship the same God. It would have been so much easier to say plainly that they worship the ‘same’ God, if CCC wanted it to mean that way. Sometimes the Church has to be politically shrewd in its teachings so that it does not disturb the peace between various religions. But the Church does not teach anywhere without a shadow of doubt that Christians and Muslims worship the same God
 
Since I don’t believe in more than one God I would say that they worship the same God as us, it could of course be so that what they worship is an evil spirit but I don’t think that is the case. Sure some of their beliefs about God is wrong and therefore it could be said that those beliefs comes from the Devil, but the same thing could be said about everyone who is a Christian but not a Catholic and perhaps also followers of Judaism. By the way, even Catholics have some sort of picture in their head about God, how God is etc. So you could argue that everyone is worshiping their own God in a way, but I think that would be silly.
 
That means nothing. Just because they have the same generic title doesn’t mean it is the same GOD. Just as pagans worshipped gods.

You have to read the Quran and see the characteristics displayed by allah to see that he is not YHWH.

Allah denies the crucifixion in the Quran-supposedly his exact words.

Everyone should read the Quran to see what Muslims believe.
Oh! You bet it does!

Christian meaning of the word for Messiah:

The Christian concept of the Christ/Messiah as “the Word made Flesh” (see also Logos) is fundamentally different from the Jewish and Islamic. The majority of historical and mainline Christian theologies, as seen within the Nicene Creed, consider Jesus to be God or God the Son.
"Catechism, no. 481 summarizes the fundamental Christian belief that Jesus Christ is true God and true man: “Jesus Christ possesses two natures, one divine and the other human, not confused, but united in the one person of God’s Son.” Therefore, Saint Paul can write that in the fullness of time, “God sent forth his Son, born of woman” (Gal. 4:4).
And so at the appointed time, the eternal, divine Word of God (cf. Jn. 1:1), the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, “became flesh and dwelt among us” (Jn. 1:14). Scripture teaches that Christ is Emmanuel–God is truly with us (cf. Mt. 1:23). blog.mycatholicfaithdelivered.com/post/The-First-Marian-Dogma-Mary-Mother-of-God.aspx
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Jewish meaning of the word for Messiah:**

The literal translation of the word, messiah (moshiach), is “anointed,” which refers to a ritual of consecrating someone or something by putting holy oil upon it.[1 Sam. 10:1-2] It is used throughout the Jewish Bible in reference to a wide variety of individuals and objects; for example, a Jewish king. (see the law of Kings - )

and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism

**Allah **- is the Arabic word for God (with a capital G) while “Ilah” is the term used for a deity or a god in general.

“Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim bismi-llah, and also created their own Trinitized bismi-llah as early as the eight century CE.[34] The Muslim bismi-llah reads: “In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.” The Trinitized bismi-llah reads: “In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God.” The Syriac, Latin and Greek invocations do not have the words “One God” at the end. This addition was made to emphasize the monotheistic aspect of Trinitian belief and also to make it more palatable to Muslims.”

Jesus in Islam:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

In Islam, Jesus (Arabic: عيسى‎ ʿĪsā) is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah) who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā’īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[1] The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Qur’an mentions Jesus twenty-five times, more often, by name, than Muhammad.[2][3] It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God (Arabic: Allah). To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles (such as healing the blind, bringing dead people back to life, etc.), all by the permission of God rather than of his own power. According to the popular opinion and Muslim traditions, Jesus was not crucified but instead, he was raised up by God unto the heavens. This “raising” is understood to mean through bodily ascension.
 
Please state where in the Roman Catholic Church’s Catechism is it stated that Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Pope Benedict: Muslims and Christians must cultivate reason in ‘faith and truth’

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"The challenge for Muslims and Christians, Pope Benedict said, is to cultivate the “vast potential of human reason” in the context of “faith and truth.”

“Christians in fact describe God, among other ways, as creative Reason, which orders and guides the world. And God endows us with the capacity to participate in his reason and thus to act in accordance with what is good,” he explained.

“Muslims worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, who has spoken to humanity. And as believers in the one God, we know that human reason is itself God’s gift and that it soars to its highest plane when suffused with the light of God’s truth,” Pope Benedict continued. “In fact, when human reason humbly allows itself to be purified by faith, it is far from weakened; rather, it is strengthened to resist presumption and to reach beyond its own limitations.”

This practice “emboldens” human reason and extends, rather than confining or manipulating public debate, the Pope commented. Genuine adherence to religion protects civil society from “the excesses of the unbridled ego which tend to absolutize the finite and eclipse the infinite,” it ensures that freedom accompanies truth, and it “adorns culture with insights concerning all that is true, good and beautiful.”

This understanding of reason reminds Christians and Muslims that human rights hold equally for every man and woman “irrespective of his or her religious, social or ethnic group.”

“In this regard, we must note that the right of religious freedom extends beyond the question of worship and includes the right – especially of minorities – to fair access to the employment market and other spheres of civic life.”

He also addressed the views of those who assert that religions fail to build unity and harmony and who see religion as an inherent cause of division whose place in the “public sphere” must be minimized.

“Certainly, the contradiction of tensions and divisions between the followers of different religious traditions, sadly, cannot be denied. However, is it not also the case that often it is the ideological manipulation of religion, sometimes for political ends, that is the real catalyst for tension and division, and at times even violence in society?”

In a situation where opponents of religion seek not only to silence it but to replace its voice with their own,“the need for believers to be true to their principles and beliefs is felt all the more keenly,” he said.

“Muslims and Christians, precisely because of the burden of our common history so often marked by misunderstanding, must today strive to be known and recognized as worshippers of God faithful to prayer, eager to uphold and live by the Almighty’s decrees, merciful and compassionate, consistent in bearing witness to all that is true and good, and ever mindful of the common origin and dignity of all human persons, who remain at the apex of God’s creative design for the world and for history,” Pope Benedict insisted.

He then praised Jordanian leaders’ efforts to ensure the public face of religion reflects its “true nature.”

As examples of this work, he listed his Friday visit to the Our Lady of Peace Center, where Christians and Muslims assist and educate disabled children, and also Madaba University, where Muslim and Christian adults are educated side by side.

These initiatives should prompt Christians and Muslims to probe “even more deeply” the “essential relationship” between God and His world to ensure that society “resonates in harmony with the divine order,” he exhorted.

Pope Benedict also acknowledged “in a special way” the presence of the Patriarch of Baghdad Emmanuel III Delly.

“The international community’s efforts to promote peace and reconciliation, together with those of the local leaders, must continue in order to bear fruit in the lives of Iraqis,” he said, expressing appreciation for those rebuilding Iraq.

“I urge diplomats and the international community they represent, together with local political and religious leaders, to do everything possible to ensure [for] the ancient Christian community of that noble land its fundamental right to peaceful coexistence with their fellow citizens,” he continued."
 
Exactly. Same way Muslims say the Gospel has been corrupted BUT the Quran does not!!!

Pray for Muslims they are caught in a violent cult that can kill them if they leave it.
Schaick;

There are many religions that I can think of at the top of my head and in the U.S that are violent - as a matter of fact, the religion is growing leaps and bounds. Why, I’m not sure? However, for the sake of this discussion, I will tell you a story of a man who had a wife and three kids to feed, a Muslim. I had worked for this particular company, interrupted by our program class by a supervisor (higher in authority) thought it would be a good idea to test our sense of retaining information. So the supervisor asked all of us to leave the room and for one person to stay behind to repeat back the information to the next person who came in the room.The story started off with three middle eastern men who boarded a plane, listing each by nationality. As the story went on in details - the last person who stepped into the room was the man who was a Muslim, as the person prior to him had to repeat back all the information back to the entire class. Each person that walked into the room was given the initial information and then was given addt’l information to repeat back to the next person.

The next day, as this man was suppose to be in our class - quit! He had worked for the company for a year and half and now that could find anybody to replace him on the overnight shift.

The emphasis, “who is my neighbor?” - "The Muslims’ letter, titled “A Common Word Between Us and You,” sought to build on common ground shared between the Muslim and Christian faiths. It compared texts from the Bible and the Koran to argue that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. It said both religions believe in “the primacy of total love and devotion to God,” and both value love of neighbor and a peaceful world.

The bishop asked for clarification about whether the love of God and the love of neighbor have the same meaning in both religions. He linked Christian love of neighbor to the human dignity of each person and his or her right to grow in freedom."

Christianity know this phrase very well, however - on a individual bases this has to be communicated without fail - Also, I know of another story about a child, about 8 years old, I left this child in the care of someone I thought was a good christian and day care giver, as well as an excellent mother of 2 older boys. Come to find out she took off and left my child in a house by himself, alone - until the afternoon, while she took some of the other kids to their swimming lesson. You know, it took my child a long time to feel security about me leaving for work - and he asked me if I was going to leave him by himself, I was angry! My son is Iranian and I raised him to be Catholic. Not all Arab are Muslims and Not all Arab are Christians, actually the phrase should be not all that appear to be Arab are Muslim and not all person who appear to be Arab are Christian.
 
That means nothing. Just because they have the same generic title doesn’t mean it is the same GOD. Just as pagans worshipped gods.

You have to read the Quran and see the characteristics displayed by allah to see that he is not YHWH.

Allah denies the crucifixion in the Quran-supposedly his exact words.

Everyone should read the Quran to see what Muslims believe.
Repeat - Correction: The next day, as this man was suppose to be in our class - he quit! He had worked for the company for a year and half and now the company could not find anybody to replace him for the overnight shift.

I felt, that its not necessary for us to read the Qur’an but to “just” follow what our Lord said - “The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Maybe it needs repeating:

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’**”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”**
 
Exactly. Same way Muslims say the Gospel has been corrupted BUT the Quran does not!!!

Pray for Muslims they are caught in a violent cult that can kill them if they leave it.
Quite right - an act of love - pray for our Muslim brothers!
 
MorningStar51 Yes we understand the word Messiah differently then the Jews and Muslims.

Yes of course we are to treat Muslims with love and kindness-they are in a horrible cult that tells them they have to earn their way to heaven.

The only sure way for them is to kill for allah.

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Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

You also need to remember that the Quran is not written in chronological order. The violent verses were revealed after the nice ones. The Quran even says something about this- verses were given are good, but better ones were revealed later.

It is only through reading the Quran that you see that allah of the Quran swears by his creations. Do you know who or what the GOD of the Bible swears by?
 
MorningStar51 Yes we understand the word Messiah differently then the Jews and Muslims.

Yes of course we are to treat Muslims with love and kindness-they are in a horrible cult that tells them they have to earn their way to heaven.

The only sure way for them is to kill for allah.

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Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

You also need to remember that the Quran is not written in chronological order. The violent verses were revealed after the nice ones. The Quran even says something about this- verses were given are good, but better ones were revealed later.

It is only through reading the Quran that you see that allah of the Quran swears by his creations. Do you know who or what the GOD of the Bible swears by?
Schaick,

Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that addresses questions about morality — that is, concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice and crime, etc.

Major branches of ethics include:

Meta-ethics
, about the theoretical meaning and reference of moral propositions and how their truth values (if any) may be determined;
**
Normative ethics**, about the practical means of determining a moral course of action;

Applied ethics, about how moral outcomes can be achieved in specific situations;
**
Moral psychology**, about how moral capacity or moral agency develops and what its nature is;

Descriptive ethics, about what moral values people actually abide by.

Human ethics is relative to how each people/or peoples relate to one another – so what about common ethics or “shared ethics”? In the Book of Leviticus and even in the Book of Deuteronomy the word “Love” appears four times – You shall love your neighbor as yourself, You shall love the stranger as yourself, You shall love the Lord your God, You shall love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

"The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim,[2] an ethical code, or a morality,[3] that essentially states either of the following:
  1. One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive form)[2]
  2. One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative/prohibitive form, also called the Silver Rule)
The Golden Rule is arguably the most essential basis for the modern concept of human rights, in which each individual has a right to just treatment, and a responsibility to ensure justice for others……and link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule)!"

These sayings are taught in every religion and they are the basic concepts within Common Law. Even another question arises - what about respect for the law? And who are the Common law countries?
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By definition: **

“Common law (also known as case law or precedent) is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals rather than through legislative statutes or executive branch action. A “common law system” is a legal system that gives great precedential weight to common law,[1] on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions.[2] The body of precedent is called “common law” and it binds future decisions. In cases where the parties disagree on what the law is, an idealized common law court looks to past precedential decisions of relevant courts. If a similar dispute has been resolved in the past, the court is bound to follow the reasoning used in the prior decision (this principle is known as stare decisis). If, however, the court finds that the current dispute is fundamentally distinct from all previous cases (called a “matter of first impression”), judges have the authority and duty to make law by creating precedent.[3] Thereafter, the new decision becomes precedent, and will bind future courts.”

This was a question on another thread - like I said, in some case the higher ruling on a law will or can take precedents in matters of war - as well as religious issues between groups. There can be a mutual reciprocation’s between religions as well as countries - binding laws that whole all three together.

Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement; that is, rights are the fundamental normative rules:

Study or look up: Normative ethical relativism, which is a theory, which claims that there are no universally valid moral principles. Normative ethical relativism theory says that the moral rightness and wrongness of actions varies from society to society and that there are no absolute universal moral standards binding on all men at all times.
 
MorningStar51 Yes we understand the word Messiah differently then the Jews and Muslims.

Yes of course we are to treat Muslims with love and kindness-they are in a horrible cult that tells them they have to earn their way to heaven.

The only sure way for them is to kill for allah.

009.111
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

You also need to remember that the Quran is not written in chronological order. The violent verses were revealed after the nice ones. The Quran even says something about this- verses were given are good, but better ones were revealed later.

It is only through reading the Quran that you see that allah of the Quran swears by his creations. Do you know who or what the GOD of the Bible swears by?
A person is created in the image of God and has a holy soul that is fully integrated with his own body. The understanding to this, is that we take in spiritually the Word of God and then from our understanding we acknowledge the truth verbally, out of our mouths – it is the Nicene creed “We Believe”. This is an expression of our faith that affirms verbally what we express physically in our daily lives in the way we live - as a testimony to how we act towards one another - as the two can not contradict themselves.

As the Apostle Paul said, “1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.”

This is the Golden Rule, “Love your neighbor as yourself” it is a universal law/and a common law shared between countries and religions - and yet, so many seem to misconstrue it by asking the question, like the teacher of law in Luke 10 “Who then is my neighbor?”. We have the ability to judge within ourselves what seems to be the right and wrong in our own lives and even the wisdom to ask God to change it - as we can repent and be forgiven. That ability is part of the image and likeness of God. What we chose to believe about God is from our own understanding from the people that we have in our lives and it is in the asking - as in Psalms 119, “33 Teach me, LORD, the way of your decrees” and “34 Give me understanding,” and also “35 Direct me in the path”.

I’m reflecting back on the word “Ta’am” which means to taste in the normal sense but also to taste in the sense of test, discern, or judge, as in - we “ourselves”, have to discern between good and evil and judge for ourselves, even to say a choice, of returning back to God, “O Taste And See The Goodness Of The Lord” (Ps 34:8). If a person has lost that image (or likeness) of God – then how can one judge for himself?or as Jesus puts it, “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.” If we don’t ask than we don’t receive. God judges mankind and all the earth, both as a whole as well as even in the case of a city (Sodom and Gomorrah) and as individuals. The question is; can God change in His way from judging one situation over another, with the thought, of His promise for redemption was forthcoming? All three religions - believe in this!~ We are all awaiting for the Messiah to come - Apostle Paul quotes,"Hebrews 10:37 For in just a very little while, “He who is coming will come and will not delay.” - see Habakkuk 2:3 “For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.” -
 
Well the modern church, Vatican 2 states, that we do worship the God of Abraham… But before that, they taught us, that we dont worship the same God as the infidels 🙂
 
Well the modern church, Vatican 2 states, that we do worship the God of Abraham… But before that, they taught us, that we don’t worship the same God as the infidels 🙂
and if you define the word Infidels its meaning goes something like this:

An infidel (literally “one without faith”) is one who has no religious beliefs, or who doubts or rejects the central tenets of a particular religion - especially in reference to Christianity or Islam.
 
MorningSong51;8422844:
Pope Benedict nowhere says that Christians and Muslims worship the **same **
God.

Point to where it says that they don’t? If you had read the article, I think that the message was asking for a redefining of the phrase “Love thy neighbor as yourself” which needs a wider interpretation, ethically - and I agree! However, on the next post, as I had listed another article reads that each nations has tenets and/or articles of morals - that is, concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice and crime, etc. Each culture establishes the basic values and principles that serve as the foundation for morality. " The theory claims that this is the case now, has always been the case and will always be the case. The theory claims not only that different cultures have different views but that it is impossible for there ever to be a single set of ethical principles for the entire world because there are no universal principles that could apply to all peoples of the earth."

Let’s say that the entire Muslim nations converts over to Christianity, the next question should be - to what denomination of faith? Trinitarian or Non Trinitarian? Which religion would take precedence? Some religions don’t all have the same articles of faith, some (as you know) consider that our faith teaching that God is three distinct hypostases, is incorrect. Does that mean that we are not in union with other congregations of faith? When you say or others say that they don’t believe in the same God - should it be that Christians don’t worship the same way as the Muslims do? in the same breath?

Reference:
Normative Ethical Relativism
qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/intro_text/Chapter%208%20Ethics/Normative_Ethical_Relativism.htm

Meta-ethics:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-ethics
While normative ethics addresses such questions as “What should one do?”, thus endorsing some ethical evaluations and rejecting others, meta-ethics addresses questions such as “What is goodness?” and “How can we tell what is good from what is bad?”, seeking to understand the nature of ethical properties and evaluations.
 
Schaick,

Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that addresses questions about morality — that is, concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice and crime, etc.

Major branches of ethics include:

Meta-ethics, about the theoretical meaning and reference of moral propositions and how their truth values (if any) may be determined;
**
Normative ethics**, about the practical means of determining a moral course of action;

Applied ethics, about how moral outcomes can be achieved in specific situations;
**
Moral psychology**, about how moral capacity or moral agency develops and what its nature is;

Descriptive ethics, about what moral values people actually abide by.

Human ethics is …
This indeed is the problem - people not needing God’s judgement on an issue but rather ***reasoning for themselves ***how He should be dealing with the matter about who is on His side and who is not? Crazy.

By His grace He gave us the answer a long time ago: "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters." (Luke 11:23). Note, Jesus includes no caveats, no disclaimers, no pardons. Black and white - yes, there are absolute truths in life - no inbetween 'maybe He did not mean it quite so harshly’ or ‘perhaps He wasn’t quite thinking about this or that’?

No, Jesus knew exactly how the future would pan out and He knew perfectly well that this question would come up and confuse many, many people. What’s more is that **He knew **what the right answer would be, and He gave it to us in advance: "He who is not with Me is against Me". No high-level interpretation about morals or human preferences is needed. It is a black and white truth. Believe it or reject it - the choice is our own. There is no excuse for not understanding this truth. Even a child can understand it. Yet, because Jesus’ words do not quite fit in with people’s doctrine they think it is the Bible that is in error. Or they delegate their own responsibility to find the truth (remember, “YOU will know the truth and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32) and “Your word is truth” (John 17:17))? What ridiculous pride! Sad.

***“I and My Father are one” ***(John 10:30). Reject Jesus as the Son and you reject God the Father too. Whomever rejects Jesus has rejected the Father. He who has rejected the Father does not serve the Father and **does not **serve God but serves another god.

Then the argument goes. ‘Oh, but they just don’t know any better’. Perhaps. But that is for Him to decide what His eternal will will be on the judgement day. For now we have His word - the Bible - to know what His position on any matter is. Yet, people are not satisfied with it because it is not how they would have done it. How shall we - mortal, fragile, simple human beings - advise God how He should change His judgement on a matter. How He should change His word: *"He who is not with Me is against Me.

Believe it or believe it not. The choice is yours. The consequence is yours too. This has absolutely nothing to do with loving your neighbour as yourself. Who said anything about not loving Muslims? Of course they are loved! But loving someone and suggesting that Jesus was not serious when He made it clear that those who are not with Him are against Him, is not the same thing.

**“He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” **(1 John 5:12). If a Muslim does not have the Son (meaning, if they do not believe in Jesus as the Son), then they do not have life. This is not my judgement, it is God’s. Who are you to challenge it?

Do you want to say you need it even clearer than that? Why the willed ignorance?*
 
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