Do Christmas trees have Christian or secular "Roots"

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A Christmas tree is a decorative plant traditionally associated with a holiday.
That holiday is pagan in origin. Not sanctioned by God.
Have you ever given or received roses? Did you worship them?
It is not the physical rose that is being worshiped. It is what it metaphorically represents.
That is, the giving of a rose is an expression of love from one person to another.
I am not worshiping a Christmas Tree. Mine is decorated with symbols of Christ and is, I think, a means to pay Him honor.
But is that type of worship required from a believer?

Lu 4:8
Jesus answered him, "It is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’ "

How do you do that?

Joh 4:23
"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

Joh 4:24
“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Joh 3:21
“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

By doing the truth does one become a worshiper of God.
 
From where did the first tree worship begin? I believe it began in Gen 2:16.

Genesis 2:16 17 – of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it.
where did you get this idea of tree worshipping from? and how this might relate to Christmas tree?

Thanks!
 
where did you get this idea of tree worshipping from? and how this might relate to Christmas tree?

Thanks!
Unfortunately, this is a pet topic of Tabcom’s, first appearing shortly after he joined the forum last year:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=117881 (a locked forum)

Despite the excellent responses to him there, he, like the JW’s with blood transfusions, the LDS with baptism of the dead, etc., etc., got a hold of a specific notion and ran with it ad nauseum.
 
That holiday is pagan in origin. Not sanctioned by God.
Celebrating the birth of Christ is Christian, not pagan, in origin. True, there were pagan celebrations that the Church wished to supplant on the day that the Church chose to celebrate Christ’s birth, but that does not make Christmas pagan. Another example may help.

Let us say, for example, that the mayor of your city has displeased you and many of your fellow citizens with his governmental policies. So you run against him in the next election and win. You have now replaced him as mayor and put your own new policies into effect. Would it be accurate to say that your policies originated with your predecessor simply because he sat behind your desk before you did?
It is not the physical rose that is being worshiped. It is what it metaphorically represents.
That is, the giving of a rose is an expression of love from one person to another.
Ideally that would always be the case, but there are many rocky marriages with very little love where the husband always buys his wife roses, chocolate, greeting cards and other gifts on all the occasions when the National Association of Florists, Candy Makers, Greeting Card Printers, Jewelers, and Related Industries tells him to do so. He does this not so much out of love, but because doing so is easier than dealing with his wife’s responses should he fail to do so. So we see that the rose might also be nothing more than an expression of the holiday without any real love whatsoever. What we probably never see is the rose itself as an object of worship.

In a like manner, the Christmas tree may be an expression of the Christian celebration of Christ’s birth, or it may be an expression of a secularized winter (in the northern hemisphere) holiday season by people who don’t even know who Jesus is. But even among these latter I strongly doubt you wil ever find any who actually worship the tree. Although I will not entirely discount the possibility that a cult of rose and pine tree worshipers may exist out in California somewhere, this is not the norm.
 
where did you get this idea of tree worshipping from? and how this might relate to Christmas tree?
As a former Roman Catholic, I haven’t done Christmas the past six years. Before that time, I was growing more skeptical as to what I had been told regarding the christmas tree. I started researching all aspects of the tree – and that was before the ease of google search was available.

I have already cited Jeremiah 10:2-5. In addition,

I Kings 16:33 – And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the Lord God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him.
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* grove - Hebrew: asherah - Astarte; Phoenician (Sidonian) goddess; upright or straight; a tree
The “Christmas Tree” finds its beginning at Babylon as the Ashteroth (the female moon deity represented as a tree). I don’t mean to be crude, but if you turn the tree upside down – what does it resemble? Upon the expulsion of the sun and moon (Baal and the Groves) worship from Babylon, the “Seat of Satan” relocated at Pergamos (Rev. 2:13). The king of Pergamos (Attalus III) died and left his Chaldean system of magic and superstition to Rome by will and testament. Upon organizing the Romanist Church, Constantine (326 A. D.) not only implemented the Chaldean system of Sun and Moon worship into his church, he adapted their annual 7 day festival of drunken revelry and riotous immorality. The festival, called the Saturnalia, was given the name Christmass within the church. The Astarte (grove - Ashteroth - Venus) or “Christmas Tree” was an integral part of this festival.

But don’t take my word for it, do a google search on:

pagan origin christmas tree

Ashteroth tree

grove pagan bible tree
 
Howdy Doody,I was brought up in an Italian home …thus traditon dictated a small cave like building…with Mary,the Babe,Joseph and a handful of curious animals…the tree bit was always considered to be a protestant…ie Luther invention…since no evergreens grew in Southern Italy!..It was clever of the establishment…first that tree,then that poem about good old Santa…then that horrible flick glorifying santa and giving free publicity to a store in NYC…Macys…the real question should be…what does one do with a ‘Christmas’ oops sorry,holiday card that features animals or people not related to the event…!!! Thats why I am against the motto…‘in God we trust’ on our coins…what an outrage…'in corporations we worship"…oh oh…knock at the door…thought police…quick where is that list of no no’s…Nino
 
Celebrating the birth of Christ is Christian, not pagan, in origin.
There are only two birthdays cited in the Bible – Pharaoh’s and Herods – two pagans.
True, there were pagan celebrations that the Church wished to supplant on the day that the Church chose to celebrate Christ’s birth,
When was that? Over 300 years after the birth of Jesus. Why did it take over 300 years to determine not only when Jesus’ birthdays was (by the way, it wasn’t even in December), and why did the church in Rome need to invent a birthday to co-enside with the pagan festivals of the Saturnalia?
 
There are only two birthdays cited in the Bible – Pharaoh’s and Herods – two pagans. When was that? Over 300 years after the birth of Jesus. Why did it take over 300 years to determine not only when Jesus’ birthdays was (by the way, it wasn’t even in December), and why did the church in Rome need to invent a birthday to co-enside with the pagan festivals of the Saturnalia?
Since when the idea of counter-attack of the celebration of the birth of Christ is invented. Did it come from you or you just happen to follow some ideas out there. My friend, you are trying too hard on yourself. 🙂

In the Bible, the 3 Wise men, the shepherds, and the angels of Heaven came to celebrate Our Lord 's birth.
 
There are so many ideas replying - I was surprised. I’d always heard that the Christmas tree was secular - and the greenery had to do with some pagan custom regarding the ancient druids who brought evergreens in someplace…Don’t ask me since this is NOT exact description.

I’ve also heard that the gree tree represents “hope” (life) - and I guess we’ve used it at a time of year when the Light of the world brought us hope. But while I’m totally against it being called a “Holiday” or “Family” tree, it’s still a SECULAR symbol.

I have no problem with it, so long as Holy Mother the Church says it’s okay - but when I decorate - NOTHING comes out before some Nativity scene - be it a wall hanging or one of my Nativity sets. Enjoy some of the fun of the season but -

Always remember Jesus is the Reason for the Season !
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In the Bible, the 3 Wise men, the shepherds, and the angels of Heaven came to celebrate Our Lord 's birth.
It wasn’t Jesus’ birthday they were celebrating . . .He probably was already 2 or 3 years old. They came to anoint Him King.
 
Despite the excellent responses to him there, he, . . . got a hold of a specific notion and ran with it ad nauseum.
I replied in detail to each of the ‘excellent responses’ that you describe. When I came to the realization that everything about the tree – and I do mean everything, is pagan in origin, it really wasn’t that difficult to counter any and all responses that try to defend it as a ‘christianized way of worship’
 
Always remember Jesus is the Reason for the Season !
Wouldn’t it be so much easier if this was cited in Scripture? But its not. What if I said, ‘the *Saturnalia *is the reason for the season’? That would be closer to the truth.

Speaking of Scripture . . . what does it say about gift giving . . .

Ac 2:38 -
Peter {said} to them, "Repent . . . and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

How do you repent?

Luke 9:23 -
And (Jesus) was saying to {them} all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

Jesus is the reason . . . but not just during the cold and dark of winter, but everyday of the lives of the believer.
 
Wouldn’t it be so much easier if this was cited in Scripture? But its not. What if I said, ‘the *Saturnalia *is the reason for the season’? That would be closer to the truth…
Most things aren’t cited in the Scriptures in nice neat verses. If you were an adherent of a religion that observed saturnalia, you could, perhaps, make that assertion in truth, at least as it pertains to you. But we Christians can and do say in full truth that Jesus is the reason for the Christmas season.
 
There are only two birthdays cited in the Bible – Pharaoh’s and Herods – two pagans…
This is quite possibly the biggest red herring regarding Christmas that I have ever heard. I have not attempted to count the numbers of births mentioned in the Scriptures, but I am sure the number is in the hundreds, if not the thousands. Whether or not the word “birthday” is used is irrelevant. But let us accept for the sake of the argument, until shown otherwise, that those are the only times the word “birthday” is used. So what?
 
This fear of Christmas trees is a manifestation of the fear in some that they can by accident or through some kind of trickery end up worshiping the wrong God or Satan or whatever. This is a feature of certain Protestants, mostly fundamentalists in my experience, that I have never understood. You can not accidently worship a pagan God (which don’t even exist) or accidently turn yourself pagan. It just doesn’t work like that. If a pagan were to wear a cross as jewelry with no idea what it stood for, is he suddenly Christian? Who would say that? Why should it work the other way?

It makes no difference if the Christmas tree has pagan origins or not. Most Christians have pagan roots, but today they belong to Christ. So does the tree.
 
Think about this.

We all know that “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. . .”

Right? Christ was ‘present’ in the world FROM THE BEGINNING.

Therefore, everything on this earth, from its beginning, has been ‘rooted’ in that Word.

Until the incarnation of that Word, people lived lives that either recognized some kind of ‘higher power’ or (very rarely) had no type of thinking that could be characterized as ‘religious’.

But at a given point in history, God made a covenant with His chosen people (the Jews). At that point, with Abraham, we then have a situation where there are people who are part of the covenant (whether they are actually ‘following the covenant’ in their practices or not) who are monotheistic --and then there are still those other groups which recognize a (or some) higher power of some sort (Buddhists, Hindu, Shinto, Zoroastrian) or who have no ‘religious’ thinking. All of the people not ‘monotheistic’ (at that point really only Jews) and members of the covenant are then classified as ‘pagan’.

Then with the birth of Jesus, His life, death, and resurrection, something happened. Now many Jews embraced Jesus as Messiah and became Christian --and also, many ‘pagans’ or Gentiles likewise became Christian.

Point is:
  1. Before Abraham, by strict definition, all people were ‘pagan’. Therefore, even the Jewish people have ‘pagan’ roots.
  2. But even those ‘pagans’ have ‘Christian’ roots which PREDATE their pagan practices and lives, because:
In the beginning was the Word.

Therefore, that ‘tree’ was made in a world where Jesus was, ‘in the beginning’. But from that beginning, trees were cut, trees were decorated, trees were utilized. . .and while the first practices were made because of a dim recognition of a ‘higher power’, and then later some particular, isolated groups of people may have ‘decorated’ a tree for a particular, isolated "idol’, that practice neither ‘retros’ back to make the people who decorated trees BEFORE a Biblically mentioned parenthetical notice of a particular isolated group’s not-even-fully-delineated-or described- practice ‘idol worship’, nor does it make the people who decorate trees AFTER practice ‘idol worship’.

IF people were specifically taking the Christmas tree and in their hearts, souls and minds equating it with God, were decorating it because they felt it was a god, it would be wrong.

But they are not.

Those Jews who built the ark of the covenant ‘felled trees’, ‘carved trees’, and then DECORATED those trees with gold, silver, and bronze. They made GRAVEN IMAGES of cherubim. They dressed THEMSELVES in beautifully woven garments.

The ark was wood. Why are the Jews not condemned for ‘worshipping and decorating wood’? Because, of course, the REASON for the decoration and the images was the worship and glory offered to GOD.
 
But let us accept for the sake of the argument, until shown otherwise, that those are the only times the word “birthday” is used. So what?
The point is, there is no Scriptural precedent to celebrate anyone’s birthday.
 
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