Do conservative Christian teachings on homosexuality cause hatred and violence against the LGBT community?

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o_mlly said:
Exactly. The promiscuous, the pathological liar, the kleptomaniac, the proud, etc. are, as we all are, disordered.

I hastened to add that the view is not one I want but the truth taught by the Church.
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Note that the language of “disorder” is not applied by the Church to the person. Doing so is your “take” on what is taught.
 
Rau said:
Note that the language of “disorder” is not applied by the Church to the person. Doing so is your “take” on what is taught.
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Are you merely mincing the use of the word “disordered”? Or are you arguing that man after the fall remained ordered to God? If the former then use words like “corrupt” or “reprobate” because the meaning is identical. If the latter then you are not thinking Catholic.
 
o_mlly said:
Are you merely mincing the use of the word “disordered”? Or are you arguing that man after the fall remained ordered to God? If the former then use words like “corrupt” or “reprobate” because the meaning is identical. If the latter then you are not thinking Catholic.
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Were man himself disordered his fate would be sealed. And not for the better.
 
Rau said:
Were man himself disordered his fate would be sealed. And not for the better.
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Also, the above is not Catholic teaching. Disordered man’s fate was not sealed for the worse after the fall. Fortunately, God has other plans for reordering man.

His plan is encapsulated in our Creed:
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,

and, of course, fully explained in our Catechism:
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER TWO
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD

ARTICLE 4
“JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND WAS BURIED”

Paragraph 2. Jesus Died Crucified

And in our Memorial Acclamation at Mass:
Lord, by your cross and resurrection, you have set us free. You are the Savior of the World.
 
o_mlly said:
Also, the above is not Catholic teaching. Disordered man’s fate was not sealed for the worse after the fall. Fortunately, God has other plans for reordering man.

His plan is encapsulated in our Creed:
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,

and, of course, fully explained in our Catechism:
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER TWO
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD

ARTICLE 4
“JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND WAS BURIED”

Paragraph 2. Jesus Died Crucified

And in our Memorial Acclamation at Mass:
Lord, by your cross and resurrection, you have set us free. You are the Savior of the World.
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And from this you conclude that man is (remains) disordered?
 
o_mlly said:
What do you conclude – that man w/o sanctifying grace is “ordered”? I think not.
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Perhaps reading what St. Thomas concludes will be helpful.

In this way, then, the disorder which is in this man born of Adam, is voluntary, not by his will, but by the will of his first parent, who, by the movement of generation, moves all who originate from him, even as the soul’s will moves all the members to their actions. …]

This gift the first man lost by his first sin. Wherefore as that original justice together with the nature was to have been transmitted to his posterity, so also was its disorder.
Summa IaIIae.81
newadvent.org/summa/2081.htm
 
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