Do Eastern Catholics Believe in Mortal and Venial Sin?

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I was in no way meaning to be sarcastic …and I have no problem with non Easterners posting here…I only mention that usually when non Easterners post here they have a desire to learn more about the Eastern churches…therefore I directed you to a few things to read…that’s all. 🙂

Most RCs I encounter here would like us Easterners to just be RCs with a different mass…and the Eastern Catholic Churches are more then that. We have our own Theologies, Liturgies, Spiritualities and Traditions…we are not Latin Catholics with a different mass. If Rome has no problem with tis It always makes me wonder why so many lay Catholics do.
TrueLight said:
ciero;8329678:
Being you are so active on the Eastern forum…

I don’t know if that was meant to be sarcastic, because I am not so active in the Eastern forum. I am active mostly in the Traditional Catholic and L&S forum. I also don’t know if you are implying that I should stick to those forums, but that couldn’t be the case since Eastern Catholics respond in those forums as well.
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If I may Truelight, to place the enyclicals Ciero recommends you read in context you should probably also read:
  1. The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches -just use the find function to see the relevant canons on papal supremacy
  2. Vatican I
    3)The section of Lumen Gentium regarding Papal Supremacy and the document ‘Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite’
  3. Earlier Papal encyclicals on the matter in particular Christi Nomen by Pope Leo XIII, Orientalium Dignitas by the same Pope, Orientales Omnes Ecclesias by Pope Pius XII and Amantissimus by Pope Pius IX.
Of course you don’t have to read in depth, a simple cursory read would suffice to give the correct view of the church.

As for eastern tradition, I am firmly convinced that the genuine tradition of the Eastern Church accepts papal supremacy and other such contentious issues and that traditions which do not are in fact not genuine eastern traditions.
 
TrueLight said:
If I, as a Latin Catholic to be, do not have the option of having a low petrine view of the Pope, then no Catholic should have it either.
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Why do you think Latin Catholics do not have that option? Plenty of Western Catholics think the scope of the papacy should be limited. Including some of the recent Popes. :cool:
 
TrueLight said:
Tell me more. 🙂
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:confused: Are you familiar with Vatican II? Not saying that changed the actual teaching but there were certainly, and still are, attempts to redefine and describe the papacy as part of a more collegial atmosphere along with the Bishops.
 
jmj1984 said:
If I may Truelight, to place the enyclicals Ciero recommends you read in context you should probably also read:
  1. The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches -just use the find function to see the relevant canons on papal supremacy
  2. Vatican I
    3)The section of Lumen Gentium regarding Papal Supremacy and the document ‘Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite’
  3. Earlier Papal encyclicals on the matter in particular Christi Nomen by Pope Leo XIII, Orientalium Dignitas by the same Pope, Orientales Omnes Ecclesias by Pope Pius XII and Amantissimus by Pope Pius IX.
Of course you don’t have to read in depth, a simple cursory read would suffice to give the correct view of the church.

As for eastern tradition, I am firmly convinced that the genuine tradition of the Eastern Church accepts papal supremacy and other such contentious issues and that traditions which do not are in fact not genuine eastern traditions.
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Thank you. I will look over those documents as well as what ciero posted.

Question: From Orientalium Dignitas:
  1. If any separated Eastern Christian should, under the guidance of the grace of the Holy Spirit, join himself to the unity of Catholics, no more should be required of him than what a bare profession of the Catholic faith demands.
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Can anyone point me to what is considered “a bare profession?”.
 
TrueLight said:
No, I don’t know what that is. 😃

Seriously, though if one asks a question, then it is for enlightenment.
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Well, I’m basically saying that you have free will and you are free to subscribe to the “low petrine” view of the Papacy if you want to. Just because you’re Latin and not Eastern Rite doesn’t mean you’re a robot or a slave. Why do you think you don’t have that option? :confused:
 
TrueLight said:
Thank you. I will look over those documents as well as what ciero posted.

Question: From Orientalium Dignitas:

Can anyone point me to what is considered “a bare profession?”.
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🤷 I would guess it means that don’t have to believe in Marian apparitions, they are free to believe in the Dormition and generally keep all views that don’t conflict with Catholic Doctrine.
 
theistgal said:
:confused: Are you familiar with Vatican II? Not saying that changed the actual teaching but there were certainly, and still are, attempts to redefine and describe the papacy as part of a more collegial atmosphere along with the Bishops.
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Et Unum Sint goes into his in quite a bit of detail…that’s why I recommended it. 🙂
 
TrueLight said:
I didn’t know you Eastern Catholics were so pro Vatican II, honestly.🤷
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Eastern Catholics, in general, love Vatican II. Why? Because it is when the Pope and many documents came forth and said":

“Hey! Back off! These are our brothers and sisters in Christ. They come from a venerable and ancient Tradition that goes back to the Apostles, and they share in the same Gospel as we. Do they perhaps describe things differently? Yes. Do they have a different spirituality? Yes. Do they have a different Liturgy? Yes. Does this make them wrong? NO. Let them fully practice the Faith as has been handed down to them, and let us rejoice that they are our brethren in Christ. Let us stop attempting to make them something they are not, and let us live with them in the Bond of Peace. Brethren, forgive us for our wrongs against you; return to your authentic traditions. Let no one but God Himself impede you from this task.”
 
TrueLight said:
I didn’t know you Eastern Catholics were so pro Vatican II, honestly.🤷
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Et Unum Sint was an encyclical written by JPII in the 1990’s (maybe the 80’s). Vatican II was great for us Easterners! It made it clear we were to be ourselves and do away with Latinizations. 😃
 
Of course we should view Ut Unum Sint in Context and not act as if
a)Its an infallible document (its not) or
b) That it musn’t be read in the light of previous enyclicals, the teachings of ecumenical councils and clarifications from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
 
I think the confusion stems from the Church herself using the same term for different levels. For example, Rite is used to refer to the wider Liturgical traditions like the Latin Rite and the Byzantine Rite. Then Rite is also used to refer to “sub”-rites, or Rites that fall under another Rite. Like the different Rites of religious communities under the Latin Rite, and you can also include the Mozarabic and Ambrosian Rites. Also the Roman Rite is under the Latin Rite. Then there are the Rites of the celebration of the Sacraments, like the Rite of Baptism. Of course the Rite of Baptism is not equal to the Byzantine Rite.

Now we are One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. But underneath this one Church is 23 Churches. Also another mistake is that most Roman Catholics think this way:

Roman Catholic Church = Catholic Church

Now go further down another level, each archdiocese or metropolita is another distinct particular Church. Every Local Ordinary in reality is the head of their own local Church. So from this view, there are actually thousands of Catholic Churches worldwide.
 
ciero said:
Et Unum Sint was an encyclical written by JPII in the 1990’s (maybe the 80’s). Vatican II was great for us Easterners! It made it clear we were to be ourselves and do away with Latinizations. 😃
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So much so that the Latins did away with Latinizations as well :D:D:D
 
jmj1984 said:
🤷 I would guess it means that don’t have to believe in Marian apparitions, they are free to believe in the Dormition and generally keep all views that don’t conflict with Catholic Doctrine.
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Roman Catholics do not have to believe in Marian apparitions. Private Revelations are not required belief.
 
ringil said:
Well, how could this be? If Eastern Catholics don’t believe in the Primacy of the Pope they aren’t ascribing to Catholic faith, right? I thought that all Eastern Catholics would have a similiar understanding as Roman Catholic, else they would choose to be Orthodox.

Am I missing something? I’m pretty ignorant of this matter however it is very interesting to me as I have begun to attend a Maronite Church.
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Primacy is different from Supreme. We 100% accept the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. What is in question is his Supreme authority.
 
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