Do Eastern Catholics Believe in Mortal and Venial Sin?

[Alexander_Roman]

And now venial sin

That I believe clearly outlines the reasonableness of the division into mortal and venial sin.

This is all very neat from a rationalistic perspective but has no place anywhere in the Christian East.

No insult, since Latin Catholics spare no effort to try and tell Easterners what we are lacking by not accepting western scholastic formulations.

I understand, sir, the difference between mortal and venial sin and grew up under that “system.”

I rejected it in university for the way of the Eastern Fathers and Eastern spirituality.

Rome is all that you say, although, historically, not always, as with popes such as Alexander VI et al.

Alex

 

[Alexander_Roman]

Standards other than Rome’s? Why would I want them? Rome is after all the see of purity, the fountainhead of the church, the head of the church on earth.

As for your examples you clearly don’t understand the western concept of venial and mortal sin at all, your calling them ridicalous is a gross insult easterners would never tolerate prone as they are to go on about western triumphalism, latinizations etc…

Catholic encyclopedia

This is really over the top legalism. You clearly don’t understand what “Romanized” means, sir. It refers to that particular Latin theological expression that is reflected in your encyclopedic quote above. It has nothing to do with the Pope of Rome’s position in the Church.

And I’m sorry to have to use, once again, your own terminology, especially re: “you don’t understand.”

To call someTHING ridiculous is fair ball in any discussion. That could be discussed.

To say someone just doesn’t understand something is an ad hominem attack that shows you to be quite incapable of discussion.

You don’t know me, sir, or my academic credentials or work experience to say I don’t understand this or that.

I will refrain from the pleasure of your emails to me in future.

Alex

 

[GaryTaylor]

Fr. Kimel’s article on Original Sin is very good. He is a a former Anglican minister who became a Roman Catholic but has since found his spiritual home in Orthodoxy.

As for the Pope being the head of the Church on earth - perhaps some of that language could be tempered since Christ still IS with His Church on earth.

He is the “Invisible Head” of the Church, but the Head nonetheless.

The language in which papal primacy is being expressed here sounds too much like trying to put the Pope on a kind of 'even keel" with our Lord or else suggesting that our Lord’s invisibility somehow impedes Him being fully the Head of His Church.

The Pope is called, it is true, to be an “Alter Christus” and to be the Servant of the Servants of God. And so are all the bishops and priests. And so are we, in our different roles.

But Christ is the Head of His Church, which is His Body, and He has not abandoned His Church on earth. Is not the reserved Blessed Sacrament intended to demonstrate visibly that this is so?

Alex

Amen,

Seems to be the largest misconception in Christianity today. And very crippling. I believe the Pope and Patriarchs would find the conversation disheartening.

The “we” aspect to this equation would go a long way to helping them.

Peace

 

[ConstantineTG]

Steve and JMJ are turning me totally off all things “west” right now . . .

Kidding . . .

Alex

And I might have to take back what I said
Archbishop Miller is great. But he may need to check up on his people, they’re not representing him very well I’m afraid.

 

[steve_b]

What point does that prove? The East hasn’t had the need for a council because there is no wrong teaching or heresy to correct. The West in the mean time have been fertile ground for Reformation, return of Arianism (LDS, SDA, INC) and today’s ever growing Evangelical and Pentecostal movements.

The point Alex made, that I was responding to was

Originally Posted by Alexander Roman forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
Steve,

Orthodoxy has a unified set of teachings contained in the canons and pronouncements of the Ecumenical Councils, her own Local Councils etc. Just because Orthodoxy has a Eucharistic model of Particular Church government, and is not a bureaucratic monolith like the Roman Catholic Vatican, does not mean it does not bear canonical unity and the same kind of ecclesial unity that existed in the early Church and the first millennium of Christianity. If a Patriarch breaks a canon, he will be, and has been (Patriarch of Jerusalem some years ago) censured and excommunicated.

My question to Alex was, pertaining to ecclesial unity. Therefore, I asked about the date of the last pan-orthodox council.
C:

Sometimes we need to be treated like children.

sometimes yes, but not ALL the time
C:

Honestly, I do appreciate Western legalism in some cases. In others, it confuses people more than it teaches. How many Eastern Catholic threads do we have here were people have concerns on scrupulosity?

If anything, It seems to me, the predominent problem today, is people ignoring what is taught, NOT scrupulodity.
C:

This is a weekly occurrence in the Philippines. Surprisingly, from a Catholic Charismatic group

I know, and NOT just charismatics

 

[steve_b]

I’ve checked several other catechisms we have and they too all have the mortal/venial distinction.

And, so what? That only proves that there are catechisms that are Latinized. And Rome told us to get rid of the Latinizations.

You’ll have to do better than that sir!

Alex

Alex,

Before I drew your attention to it, it appears you didn’t know there was a Ukranian Catechism that identified sin as mortal and venial.

• Now you’ve found other catechisms of yours with those same distinctions.
• Are they in English also? How many other languages does your catechism get translated into?

I’m curious, do those other catechisms also quote the scripture passages that support the teaching, as is the case with the one I quoted?

 

[jmj1984]

This is really over the top legalism. You clearly don’t understand what “Romanized” means, sir. It refers to that particular Latin theological expression that is reflected in your encyclopedic quote above. It has nothing to do with the Pope of Rome’s position in the Church.

And I’m sorry to have to use, once again, your own terminology, especially re: “you don’t understand.”

To call someTHING ridiculous is fair ball in any discussion. That could be discussed.

To say someone just doesn’t understand something is an ad hominem attack that shows you to be quite incapable of discussion.

You don’t know me, sir, or my academic credentials or work experience to say I don’t understand this or that.

I will refrain from the pleasure of your emails to me in future.

Alex

Really? We both know western Catholics often hold their peace from saying much lessee things because otherwise eastern Catholics complain of being easternised, told they trying to enforce themselves on the east and all such manner of things so its not fair game.

As regards your credentials, I couldn’t care less, your description of mortal and genial sins bore little or no relation to what the terms actually meant hence I assumed you simply didnt understand it.

I can’t see how its legalism, its very easy to use such terms but much harder to prove them, something you’ve made no attempt to do.

 

[jmj1984]

And I might have to take back what I said
Archbishop Miller is great. But he may need to check up on his people, they’re not representing him very well I’m afraid.

neither are the east most people here appear to have an apparent automatic reflex of revulsion for anything western and are more triumphalist than the Catholics they criticise.

 

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