Do Eastern Catholics believe in Mortal/Venial sin?

[chimo]

here is where this distinction occurs between sin

1 Jn 5:16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal ( θάνατον ) sin, he will ask, and God**(“1 Jn 5 RSVCE - Faith Conquers the World - Every one - Bible Gateway”)] will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal ( θάνατον ). There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal (θάνατον ).

As far as determining when / what sin is mortal, look at the consequences scripture uses . If one dies in a sin whose consequence keeps one from inheriting heaven, then it’s a mortal (deadly) sin.

For example

• Titus 3:10-11 Reject a heretical (αἱρετικὸν )man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is )perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
• Ephesians 5:3-5 fornication, covetousness……5 Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
• Hebrews 10:23-27 missing Eucharist deliberately on Sunday, no sacrifice for sin for THEM but a fiery judgement that consumes the adversaries of God.
• Hebrews 12:16-17 immoraliy,(πόρνος ) is selling your inheritance
• Galatians 5: 19 - 21 sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions (διχοστασίαι ), factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, will not inherit heaven
• Romans 16:17… dividers ( διχοστασίαι )don’t serve our Lord but themselves. Stay away from them. Satan will soon be crushed under your feet
• Colossians 3: 5-6 immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry, …rath of God is coming
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 no sexually immoral (πόρνοι ), nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders ( ἀρσενοκοῖται ), 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
• Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
• 2 Peter 2:4-22
• 2 Thes 1: 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power

All sin is wrong, but as John teaches, not all sin is mortal (grave / deadly)

Thank you Steve for the clarification as well as the Scripture verses.

 

[Marty_E]

This is not the official Ukrainian Catholic Catechism. This is a catechism that was written by Fr. Casimir Kucharek, intended for Ukrainian Catholics in Canada and the U.S. It was written more than 30 years ago, and is considered by many to be somewhat Latinized.

The style is a result of the fact that Father Kucharek was a Latin Rite priest when ordained, and he developed a style which was useful among uncatechized Catholics who needed a primer. It bears an imprimatur.

The Eparchy in Philadelphia no longer has a link to the “Catechism of the Ukranian Catholic Church” but maintains a link to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church”:

ukrarcheparchy.us/index.php?categoryid=61

If you have a link to a Catechism you believe to be official and can point out any difference between that and Father Kucharek’s on the topic, that would be useful.

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[RyanBlack]

The style is a result of the fact that Father Kucharek was a Latin Rite priest when ordained, and he developed a style which was useful among uncatechized Catholics who needed a primer. It bears an imprimatur.

The Eparchy in Philadelphia no longer has a link to the “Catechism of the Ukranian Catholic Church” but maintains a link to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church”:

ukrarcheparchy.us/index.php?categoryid=61

If you have a link to a Catechism you believe to be official and can point out any difference between that and Father Kucharek’s on the topic, that would be useful.

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The Ukrainian Catholic Church does have an official catechism that was published in 2011. I cannot find a link to an English translation.

 

[MorEphrem]

Ya can’t say that Ryan. It’s been approved otherwise it would NOT have an imprimatur on it. That makes it an official catechism.

I’m uncertain if you’re trolling. An imprimatur does not make it an official catechism of the Church - there was a similar situation in the western Maronite Eparchy in the US. A priest wrote a book called “Captivated by Your Teachings” and it received an imprimatur from the local bishop - it doesn’t make it an official catechism, as this is not, it just means it’s not heretical.

In theory, an Eastern bishop could put an imprimatur on a book about the theology of devotion of the Sacred Heart (I’m sure many such cases have been done in the Maronite Church). That does not mean because that book has received an imprimatur it has been authenticated in terminology and theology within the tradition of that Church.

 

[Marty_E]

The Ukrainian Catholic Church does have an official catechism that was published in 2011. I cannot find a link to an English translation.

robertaconnor.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-catechism-of-catholic-church-is-for.html

Father Boghossian, a Ruthenian priest, points out that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is as useful to Eastern as Western Catholics.

The content of the Faith is the same. Terminology (mortal/venial, sin/transgression) and emphasis (theosis) differ.

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[steve_b]

An imprimatur on a local catechism doesn’t make it a particular church’s official catechism.

What did that Catechism have written on it?

“This is a Ukrainian Catholic Catechism, bearing the imprimatur of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, one of the Eastern Catholic Churches in union with the Pope of Rome”

It is NOT the catechism, It is** a** Ukrainian Catholic Catechism. And it was approved for printing by an official (a bishop) of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.

Obviously if you don’t want to read it you don’t have to.
R:

Furthermore, the imprimatur for Fr. Casimir’s catechism was granted by the Bishop of Saskatoon. Even if an imprimatur implied an endorsement of the catechism as “official,” then it would make it official only for the eparchy of Saskatoon, not for the entire Ukrainian Catholic Church.

I never said “endorsed”. Imprimatur means approved by a bishop to be printed. That makes it an official catechism…true?
R:

The Ukrainian Catholic Church’s official catechism, written in Ukrainian and not English, was published in 2011.

Do Ukrainian Catholics only speak or write in Ukrainian for liturgy or what have you, no matter where they are in the world?
R:

My own church, the Ruthenian Catholic Church, does not have a catechism.

All Catholics, no matter the rite, have **a **catechism. It’s the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

• written in multiple languages. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc/ as an aside, did you know, the largest English speaking country in the world is China?
• usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-catechism-of-the-catholic-church.cfm

 

[Peter_J]

I never said it was an endorsement.

Imprimatur - Literally, “let it be printed”. The judgment by a bishop that a written work may be published.

IOW it’s approved for publishing by the bishop because he has that authority.

Well said.

 

[Peter_J]

from the Latin teaching and the practice itself:

An imprimatur is not an endorsement by the bishop of the contents of a book, not even of the religious opinions expressed in it, being merely a declaration about what is not in the book.[8] In the published work, the imprimatur is sometimes accompanied by a declaration of the following tenor:

The nihil obstat and imprimatur are declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of doctrinal or moral error. No implication is contained therein that those who have granted the nihil obstat or imprimatur agree with the contents, opinions or statements expressed.[9]

The person empowered to issue the imprimatur is the local ordinary of the author or of the place of publication.

I won’t add anything new to that, but I think it needs to be emphasized: an imprimatur doesn’t give a book authority … but not only that, it doesn’t necessarily even mean that the bishop agrees with it as a personal opinion.

Anyhow, I don’t want to butt-in to the discussion of catechisms, I’ll let that go on as it has been.

 

[steve_b]

I’m uncertain if you’re trolling. An imprimatur does not make it an official catechism of the Church -

Is a bishop an official of the Church? Who is a bishop over?

As I said previously, "Imprimatur - Literally, “let it be printed”. The judgment by a bishop that a written work may be published. "
M:

there was a similar situation in the western Maronite Eparchy in the US. A priest wrote a book called “Captivated by Your Teachings” and it received an imprimatur from the local bishop - it doesn’t make it an official catechism, as this is not, it just means it’s not heretical.

It was the judgement by a bishop that the work could be printed. IOW it was approved for publishing. That’s an official action by an official of the Church. Making that work official.
M:

In theory, an Eastern bishop could put an imprimatur on a book about the theology of devotion of the Sacred Heart (I’m sure many such cases have been done in the Maronite Church). That does not mean because that book has received an imprimatur it has been authenticated in terminology and theology within the tradition of that Church.

In theory?

I would think, a bishop within a particular tradition, would be savy to what’s authentic and what’s proper terminology within their tradition. Am I wrong on that?

 

[RyanBlack]

robertaconnor.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-catechism-of-catholic-church-is-for.html

Father Boghossian, a Ruthenian priest, points out that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is as useful to Eastern as Western Catholics.

The content of the Faith is the same. Terminology (mortal/venial, sin/transgression) and emphasis (theosis) differ.

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I would agree with Fr. Scott that the CCC is useful for Eastern Catholics–I have copies of it, and have read it myself. I disagree that it as useful for us as it is for Western Catholics, because I find it to be much more western than eastern.

As for the content of the faith being the same, while terminology and emphasis differing, that is exactly what I’ve said all along.

 

[AnthonyJ]

The Ukrainian Catholic Church does have an official catechism that was published in 2011. I cannot find a link to an English translation.

Has it been translated into English? I’ve been wanting to get a copy.

 

[Peter_J]

As I said previously, "Imprimatur - Literally, “let it be printed”. The judgment by a bishop that a written work may be published. "

Yes. I guess the question is, does it say more than that (the work may be published)? Not that I’m aware of.

 

[RyanBlack]

Do Ukrainian Catholics only speak or write in Ukrainian for liturgy or what have you, no matter where they are in the world?

No. My point is that the catechism written by Fr. Casimir was intended only for a relatively small group of Ukrainian Catholics–Ukrainian Catholics in Canada and the U.S. whose primary language is English. The official catechism of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, which is based in Ukraine, was written in Ukrainian, which is the primary language of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.

 

[RyanBlack]

Has it been translated into English? I’ve been wanting to get a copy.

I don’t know. I’ve found many reports online that an English translation was to be made available in 2012, however, I’ve been unable to find it.

 

[RyanBlack]

All Catholics, no matter the rite, have **a **catechism. It’s the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

I’m sure you know what I meant, since you asked for a link to my Church’s catechism. Unlike the Ukrainian Catholic Church, the Ruthenian Catholic Church does not have its own particular catechism.

 

[SyroMalankara]

In theory?

I would think, a bishop within a particular tradition, would be savy to what’s authentic and what’s proper terminology within their tradition. Am I wrong on that?

You could be wrong on that, unfortunately a bishop within a particular Tradition could be better trained in another Tradition’s seminary and canons and know very little about their own authentic Tradition. For example, how many American bishops are fluent enough in Latin (or even cared) to discern that the 1st Edition of the CCC had some differences from the 2nd Edition? Also, with regard to bishops and Tradition, as we know, some are outright hostile to their own proper Tradition, for some reason that is beyond me - this applies to Bishops for Latins and Easterners.

Going back to imprimatur - didn’t the 1st Edition have this ‘official’ stamp? Why then the need for a 2nd Ed? and does the stamp on the 1st mean it’s as ‘official’ as the 2nd?

 

[Marty_E]

I would agree with Fr. Scott that the CCC is useful for Eastern Catholics–I have copies of it, and have read it myself.

The article is actually by Father Boghossian, a Ruthenian, not Father Scott.

 

[steve_b]

No. My point is that the catechism written by Fr. Casimir was intended only for a relatively small group of Ukrainian Catholics–Ukrainian Catholics in Canada and the U.S. whose primary language is English.

How small? As I understand it, the Ukrainian Catholic Church is ~5 million worldwide. Are we talking 2%, 5%, 10%, 15%, of that number?

Are Ukrainian Catholics in Canada & the U.S, somehow a different species of Ukrainian Catholic than Ukrainian Catholics are in Ukraine?
R:

The official catechism of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, which is based in Ukraine, was written in Ukrainian, which is the primary language of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.

For clarification, are you saying then, the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Ukraine is different from the Ukrainian Catholic Church in say Canada or the U.S? Or are you saying in order for a catechism to be “THE” offical Ukrainian Catholic catechism, it must be printed in Ukraine in the language of the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Ukraine?

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[steve_b]

You could be wrong on that, unfortunately a bishop within a particular Tradition could be better trained in another Tradition’s seminary and canons and know very little about their own authentic Tradition.

I’ve personally not seen that scenerio myself.
syro:

For example, how many American bishops are fluent enough in Latin (or even cared) to discern that the 1st Edition of the CCC had some differences from the 2nd Edition?

Have you ever counted the number of catechisms there are? There are dozens of them. There is no be all to end all catechism.
syro:

Also, with regard to bishops and Tradition, as we know, some are outright hostile to their own proper Tradition, for some reason that is beyond me - this applies to Bishops for Latins and Easterners.

It happens. And the remedy is

• http://ihradio.com/2013/09/pope-fra...est-advocated-womens-ordination-sex-marriage/
• http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/controversial-australian-bishop-sacked-by-pope-benedict-xvi/
• http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/world-news/detail/articolo/harbin-china-16670/

syro:

Going back to imprimatur - didn’t the 1st Edition have this ‘official’ stamp? Why then the need for a 2nd Ed? and does the stamp on the 1st mean it’s as ‘official’ as the 2nd?

imprimatur doesn’t stop future catechisms from being printed.

 

[SyroMalankara]

How small? As I understand it, the Ukrainian Catholic Church is ~5 million worldwide. Are we talking 2%, 5%, 10%, 15%, of that number?

Are Ukrainian Catholics in Canada & the U.S, somehow a different species of Ukrainian Catholic than Ukrainian Catholics are in Ukraine?

Are Latins in the US a different species than Latins in Rome?

Or are you saying in order for a catechism to be “THE” offical Ukrainian Catholic catechism, it must be printed in Ukraine in the language of the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Ukraine?

A major catechism has to be approved by the sui iuris Church’s Holy Synod and it’s head. Minor catechisms, while useful, are not “official” to the same level. It isn’t that difficult.

The 1850s Keenan Catechism, with imprimatur, denied dogma proclaimed in our day:
biblelight.net/keenan.htm

Q: Must not Catholics believe the pope in himself to be infallible?

A: This is a Protestant invention; it is no article of the Catholic faith; no decision of his can oblige, under pain of heresy, unless it be received and enforced by the teaching body; that is, by the bishops of the Church.

It was later edited after the dogma was proclaimed in 1870.

Both are ‘official’ for it’s day. Were Latins in 1869 and 1870 a different species of Latin?