Do Evangelicals reject Mary?

[Michael68]

Like the title says do they reject her immaculate conception, her virginity, her assumption and our other Marian dogmas.

Yes, they do

 

[dronald]

I hope dronald will correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there are even some Evangelicals who deny the Resurrection.

No that’s not true, that’s not true at all.

 

[dronald]

Do Evangelicals accept that the unnamed “woman” in Rev. 12:1 is Mary? Maybe some do, but I don’t think they all do.

Usually Evangelicals will say the woman is the Church. What do Catholics believe that the crown of 12 stars represents?

 

[dronald]

I think this is one of the problems of Sola Scriptura. The Acts of the Apostles is the acts of the Apostles. Mary is mentioned in this book but the book is about the early days of the Church. The Epistles are written to existing churches, church leaders or individual Christians. Each Epistle has a specific purpose. None of them is written to convey the entirety of the Christian Faith or all facts related in any way to the Faith. Joseph just disappears from Scripture. Most of the Apostles get very little said of them and yet they were Apostles. Scripture is missing a lot of information that would be at least interesting if not edifying to your faith.

I’m just considering how much emphasis and importance is put on her right now, and every Sunday for Catholics; and yet widely ignored by Paul.

The closest he comes is when he says Jesus was “Born of a woman”. I’m just baffled he never, ever expanded on one of the most important dogmas of all of Christianity.

 

[dronald]

Have you considered this problem if Mary wasn’t immaculately conceived?

1. Did Jesus need saving? I would assume you would say “no”, since God doesn’t need saving.
2. If Jesus needed “protection” or saving from Original Sin from Mary, then was He really God?
3. Rejection of the IC undermines the claim of Jesus’ divinity, because salvation must be applied to Jesus to keep Him free from Original Sin.

I sincerely apologize, but I’m misunderstanding where your conclusion logically follows.

If God can protect a woman born of two sinful parents from original sin, then surely Jesus was protected as He was born from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Starwarsfan2]

Do we reject Mary , no , and we believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I would say they reject Mary’s importance for the Christian in modern times, believing her not able to pray for those who ask her to pray for them. Not just her mind you but all the saints are rejected in this manner.

Most evangelicals would probably deny Mary being the Theotokos as well, at least the majority I have seen online would.

 

[zz912]

Usually Evangelicals will say the woman is the Church. What do Catholics believe that the crown of 12 stars represents?

The woman gave birth to Jesus. The Church didn’t give birth to Jesus.

The 12 stars are usually understood as the 12 patriarchs, or the 12 apostles, or 12 being the number of completion.

 

[zz912]

I sincerely apologize, but I’m misunderstanding where your conclusion logically follows.

If God can protect a woman born of two sinful parents from original sin, then surely Jesus was protected as He was born from the Holy Spirit.

The point being is it allows for an attack on His divinity, since Jesus would need God to protect/sanctify Him from Original Sin. Non-Christians will point to this as evidence that He could not be divine (or at least not consubstantial with the Father) since He needed sanctification.

 

[Seekerjn316]

There’s the problem. The Holy Spirit has to apply some sanctification to Jesus to keep Him free of sin. So it undermines the claim that Jesus is divine, because He needed sanctification/preservation from the Holy Spirit.

That doesn’t fly. The angel says she “will” become pregnant, not that she is pregnant. A married woman about to enter her husband’s home wouldn’t be confused about how she will get pregnant. There is nothing in Scripture that says Mary became pregnant right then. Only Catholic tradition holds that, do you ascribe to Catholic tradition?

Actually it does. It’s just not blatantly evident, but it does. All Marian doctrines are actually about Jesus. They declare His divinity.

Jesus, as divine, preserves Mary from sin, so that He is born in a pure Ark and tabernacle. Mary, as ever-Virgin, declares the truth that Jesus is God because His conception was divine and that no one has entered the gate that God has entered. Jesus saves His mother from decay and raises her into Heaven, which shows He will do the same for us. Jesus, as divine God and Davidic King, makes His mother the Queen Mother of heaven as we see foreshadowed in the OT.

He needed sanctification applied to Him if He needed to be preserved from Original Sin from Mary.

Since we are discussing the mystery of the Incarnatiin, and the Infinite and Eternal God, “He needed” to follow none of your " the Holy Sirit (Himself God),needed" , the Holy God who became incarnate COULD enter our humanity as He decided…your propositions of what had to have taken place make no sense to me, no most Evangelicals, I would dare say.

 

[cmodrmac]

“Rejecting the dogmas of Mary doesn’t equal rejecting Mary.”

She is honored as the “Theotokos” the God Bearer -many Anglican believe in the Assumption but more of the 'dormition" like the Orthodox-

we honor the saints in heaven-we are skeptical about the appearances of Mary

 

[dronald]

The woman gave birth to Jesus. The Church didn’t give birth to Jesus.

The 12 stars are usually understood as the 12 patriarchs, or the 12 apostles, or 12 being the number of completion.

I don’t understand, which is it? You mentioned three different things the 12 could mean.

 

[HelenRose]

Like the title says do they reject her immaculate conception, her virginity, her assumption and our other Marian dogmas.

I would say mostly yes. It isn’t so much that they don’t love her, especially on Christmas, but they dismiss her importance.

I think that this is a mistake. To say of any woman, “Oh, she is just the mother” demeans motherhood.

The message given is, “She was just a girl. She was just a mother. She was not all that important, She was just a vessel.”

All this is dismissive of the love, the pain, the suffering of every mother.

Catholics can go to Mary, knowing that she understands our concerns and our love.
As a Catholic, I do not worship Mary. I am eternally grateful to Christ for giving her love to me. For giving me the gift of her motherhood. Christ knows we need her as our heavenly Mother. She is our Queen in Heaven.

 

[Michael68]

The woman gave birth to Jesus. The Church didn’t give birth to Jesus.

The 12 stars are usually understood as the 12 patriarchs, or the 12 apostles, or 12 being the number of completion.

I am also confused by this teaching. Which is it?

 

[Seekerjn316]

I am also confused by this teaching. Which is it?

Just curious? Why must it be narrowed to one, this is a vision/,its not actual events, it could get mean something more meaninful, our own limits perhaps blinds us to deeper insight.
I’m not sure one can ascribe one understanding to a book of visions, visions of deep symbolic meaning.
It could all three, it could be only one or none, how one gives meaning is where we should look, for you, the.Marian dogmas fit, for me/they do not…why must there be an ly one meaning?

 

[AbideWithMe]

I would say mostly yes. It isn’t so much that they don’t love her, especially on Christmas, but they dismiss her importance.

I think that this is a mistake. To say of any woman, “Oh, she is just the mother” demeans motherhood.

The message given is, “She was just a girl. She was just a mother. She was not all that important, She was just a vessel.”

All this is dismissive of the love, the pain, the suffering of every mother.

Being an Evangelical myself, I wouldn’t consider this an accurate picture of how most Evangelicals think of Mary.

 

[commenter]

Being an Evangelical myself, I wouldn’t consider this an accurate picture of how most Evangelicals think of Mary.

I hope you will elaborate on this, as to how Evangelicals do think of her. We know she is considered as a role model for faithfulness and trust in God. What other ways have Evangelicals been blessed?

 

[HelenRose]

Just curious? Why must it be narrowed to one, this is a vision/,its not actual events, it could get mean something more meaninful, our own limits perhaps blinds us to deeper insight.
I’m not sure one can ascribe one understanding to a book of visions, visions of deep symbolic meaning.
It could all three, it could be only one or none, how one gives meaning is where we should look, for you, the.Marian dogmas fit, for me/they do not…why must there be an ly one meaning?

I can only write about my own thoughts of Mary.
For instance, when I pray the Rosary:

I look at the Angel Gabriel through the eyes of Mary and wonder at the Angel’s words.
I look at Elizabeth through the eyes of Mary and think about the love she had for Elizabeth
I look at Baby Jesus through the eyes of Mary in the manger.
I look at Baby Jesus through the happy eyes of Mary when she and Joseph presented Him in the Temple.
I feel the fear that Mary felt when she thought of her boy being lost in Jerusalem.

I worry with her the night before Christ was arrested. She was helpless, she knew what was in store for her child and could not stop the inevitable.
I feel her despair knowing that He was being mercilessly whipped and spat upon.
I walk with her as she walk the road while Jesus carried the Cross.
I stand beside her at the Cross and see Jesus’ suffering through her eyes.
I hold vigil with her as they brought His body down from the cross.

And I know that she stands by me when my children suffer. When I am helpless, I can lay my head on her lap and I know that the beautiful Mother cares. What a wonderful gift Christ has given us. She is my friend.

I look at her through the eyes of her Son. She is His Mother. She loved Him more than any other human being could possibly imagine. He loved her as well. He crowned Her Queen of Heaven.

For me all the dogmas make sense when seen through the eyes of the Son and His Mother.

 

[Seekerjn316]

I hope you will elaborate on this, as to how Evangelicals do think of her. We know she is considered as a role model for faithfulness and trust in God. What other ways have Evangelicals been blessed?

I am not speaking for Abide With Me, just my thoughts.

Mary isn’t the center of our faith. Christ Jesus is. Our thoughts and devotion are directed solely at Him. He Alone is suffucient…as the Revelation so beautifully states about who was worthy to open the book…no one was worthy, then a Lamb that appeared to have been slaughtered stepped forward…worthy is the Lamb…He Alone is worthy of my devotion , and since the Marion dogmas are outside the realm of scripture, I have no need to embrace them.
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Points us to Him, “do what he tells you”…and because He Alone is wothy, she recedes into the background for us, Jesus Alone is worthy of our devotion, our prayers, our requests she may have know her Son better than any, but we have unedited access to her Son.

 

[Starwarsfan2]

I hope you will elaborate on this, as to how Evangelicals do think of her. We know she is considered as a role model for faithfulness and trust in God. What other ways have Evangelicals been blessed?

I can’t speak for abide , but I will try to elaborate ,
We believe Mary is the mother of God ( Theotokos) , the perpetual virgin , a role model for Christians , Mary is a sinner , and we don’t support the assumption of Mary .

Keep the faith, commenter , Starwars