Do fundamentalists possess the theological virtues?

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Given that we believe that the theological virtues are infused in us by virtue of Baptism, and that many fundamentalists don’t believe that Baptism is necessary, wouldn’t that mean those of them—who seem otherwise quite pious—don’t possess faith, hope, and charity?
 
The Theological Virtues are infused at Baptism. That occurs regardless of any beliefs to the contrary.

So yes, they do have them, all those who have been Baptized do.
 
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The Theological Virtues are infused at Baptism. That occurs regardless of any beliefs to the contrary.

So yes, they do have them, all those who have been Baptized do.
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In that case what of those who have never been baptized? Do you believe they lack these virtues?
 
Yes, exactly. Are the unbaptized fundamentalists incapable of loving God? Of having hope? Of having genuine faith in God?
 
Virtues are not given in sacraments, grace is; virtues are exercised or they are not, by free will.
 
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So consequently, according to you, unbaptized fundamentalists incapable of loving God? Of having hope? Of having genuine faith in God? Is this what you are maintaining? Or is this not a yes/no kind of question? If a more nuanced answer is called for, please help me to clarify this.
 
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So consequently, according to you, unbaptized fundamentalists incapable of loving God? Of having hope? Of having genuine faith in God? Is this what you are maintaining? Or is this not a yes/no kind of question? If a more nuanced answer is called for, please help me to clarify this.
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In a manner of speaking yes. The unbaptized are incapable of loving God. As are the baptized in mortal sin.

Of course, it’s a bit more involved than that. The theological virtue of charity is inextricably tied to sanctifying grace, which is given in Baptism and restored in Confession. One can even say they’re one and the same. Without charity, one cannot love God and neighbour with the supernatural love that is necessary for salvation. One can still love God and neighbour with his natural powers, and God uses this to provide actual grace that disposes the person to justification.

The unbaptized and the person in mortal sin lack the virtue of charity, which renders them incapable of loving God with the love that’s due him, until the virtue of charity is infused or restored.
 
My experience has been that as a group they do lack Faith, and charity… they may, and it would seem logical, that they cling to hope [alone]

We should pray for them
 
Interesting .what catholics will believe. And say.

the fundamental domination

Word of faith. Demonstrate the virtues of

Faith hope and charity

As does the baptists. Pentecostal and sda. Even the mormans .

This was a devisive question by the op.

Or just just deceived.
 
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Pjm. Well you are mistaken . but it just the first time in your religious life.

A 1st time for everything.

Faith hope and charity virtues many times come with signs following . not just an opinion
 
I can assure you that at age 73, I have missed the mark a few times; BUT very few.

In this instance I was sharing my personal experience, which IS MY personal experience and therefore not wrong.

Protestant ATTACKS on Catholicism are well known.

GBY
Patrick
 
Interesting description of supernatural love. Which some people call agape love.

And that supernatural love is necessary for salvation.

And natural love which people referred to as aries romantic love

And brothery love .
Many people teach that unforgiveness blocks the love of God . which would fall in to the mortal sin aspect.

But your explanation is interesting
 
My experience is that many are rich in the three virtues. It is not just for kicks that the First Corinthians 13 is one of the most preached chapters. These three remain. The existed before Christianity, and exist outside of the visible Catholic Church. To answer the OP, of course Protestants can be rich in the theological virtues. Catholic may have the inside track by virtue of the Sacraments, but that doesn’t always translate to living a virtuous life. Such comparisons are pointless as it engenders meaningless generalizations.
Protestant ATTACKS on Catholicism are well known.
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Which is why we mustn’t return the favor.
 
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No, I personally don’t think so.

A “better” question might be are they doing so as GOD would have then do and behave?

God Bless you
Partick
 
baptized or unbaptized, it’s very important to remember that …

God gives sufficient graces to ALL (baptized and unbaptized) to get to know Him and follow until the last day in heaven.
 
Thanks I was able to ck out the link on infused virtues.
Faith hope and charity is applied to all the non catholics bible schools I attended.

People who think it is lacking is in non Catholic denominations is and are deceived by their training and education.

The “word of faith” is just one of the fellowships that apply this .
 
My DEAR friend in Christ,

To be clear:

I fail to see how my POST can be seen as “Protestant bashing”

I simply replied top the OP Question.

Secondly: this is a CATHOLIC FORUM, and I AM a Practicing Catholic obligated to share God’s Truths. of competiting faits

Third I went out of my way to point out that what I shared was based on MY ACTUAL LIFE experiences. {John McArthur] who I HEARD teach “its OK to HATE Catholics”, some years ago

Forth: I was being specific to Fundamentalist Christians, NOT ALL Protestants

While I respect the fervor of competing faiths; I have a Moral Obligation to share God’s TRUTHS which can ONLY BE, singular per defined issue.

I AM truly sorry if I offended you; that was not my intent.

God Bless you, Sahlom!

Patrick
 
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