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Im really desperate for some answers and im asking for your divine advice. Im at wits end and find myself going in circles with the same unanswered question: Do i marry him or not?
Ive already sought priest advice. 1 priest said NO!!! and the other said YES!!!
So as a last resort, i ask you for spiritual guidance. I feel lost in my own mind. Crazy.
Im depressed and miserable right now because last night turned out ugly. Im bruised because of an accident not that he did it intentional. He apologized for it and didnt meant to do it but he says i made him angry, so its my fault.
But in my heart, i know, that its his explosive anger tantrums that are to blame for the mild physical accidental abuse that i continue to suffer and somehow my instincts say i shouldnt marry this guy but when hes not angry, he is “the perfect God sent man that any catholic/christian woman would want as a lifelong companion” just dont **** him off and everything will be fine. Is this what marriage is like or am i confused? Please help. Thank you
My heartfelt advice is to say an emphatic NO. This is not normal within marriage, or before marriage, or at any other time. Being bruised at the end of an argument is a huge red flag, and it doesn’t matter who’s “fault” the argument was. It shouldn’t happen, period. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that any kind of physical injury suffered in an argument is an “accident”. It isn’t.

Getting angry is normal, within bounds. Getting angry at our spouse will happen in almost all marriages at some time or another. Being unable to control that anger… that’s a huge issue and I see danger signs in your post.

Let me first say that I am a married man. Most men who are “normal” and do get angry, find controlled ways to deal with it: they’ll go outside and chop some wood, or go for some vigorous physical exercise to blow off steam (for me, a fast bike ride), or take a walk or a drive to simmer down, or lock themselves in their “man-cave” to try to get their heads back together.

Beyond that we get into verbal and physical abuse. The former can be nearly as bad as the latter, my sister-in-law endured verbal abuse (and also alcohol and drug abuse by her husband) for years until she had the courage to walk out.

A gentleman will never hurt his spouse or future spouse in an argument, not even “accidentally”, not even close. Your man has given you a huge danger sign. He may seem “perfect” in other ways, but no man (or woman) is ever perfect. A huge part of marriage is learning to let go and accept your partner’s foibles. But there are some foibles that are too dangerous to overlook. Physical, verbal and sexual abuse in particular, as well as alcohol and drug abuse. My advice is to stop looking for a prince charming, and instead look toward ordinary, boring blokes who are reliable, kind, courteous, hard-working and even tempered. Don’t fall in love with the feeling of being in love. True love is like watering and weeding a garden, you have to work at it to harvest it. Men who are abusive can be particularly good at romancing and making a woman “feel” in love. However, possession is not love. But from what I see many women (and some men too) get caught into this pattern because the feeling is like being hit with a powerful drug.

Marriage is forever. At some point, we all get physically unattractive and our faculties decline. My wife is a physician and knows couples where either the elderly husband or wife is taking care of their severely infirm or ill spouse, and they do it with true love and often with a great deal of effort because of their own infirmities, even though that spouse is cranky, demanding or demented. That’s the kind of love that’s like tending a garden and it’s the kind of love that’s true and makes marriages last.

Edit: after I wrote the above, I read this:
NO. Arguments in a real marriage do NOT look like that. A REAL husband does NOT beat up his wife. A REAL husband does NOT blame his wife for his own misbehavior.

Hon, you need to run. Run now, run fast. Report every single incident to the police, and find out how to get a protective order. Break off all contact with this guy, change your phone number, change your email, change the locks on your doors.

This man is well on the road to killing you.
Agnes Therese is spot on. Please heed her advice for your own safety. A real husband will never, ever hurt his wife. Never. I wasn’t emphatic enough in what I wrote above. Don’t become a victim. You have an opportunity to get out before marriage. Trust me it will be far, far more difficult afterwards.
 
Of course the OP shouldn’t marry this guy. I really hope she gets the help she needs and gets out. But I’m really getting tired of the victim blaming going on here. I am continually amazed at how people treat battered women as if they’re stupid. The reality is ANYONE can find themselves in an abusive relationship. If you think you’re too smart and perfect to ever be in an abusive relationship, you need to get off your high horse. Abuse is very insidious and can happen to anyone, and sometimes it takes a long time to recognize that your relationship is abusive. Calling the OP a troll and getting mad at her for defending him is not going to help. It is just going to make her defensive and send her back to the abuser.

If you really want her to get out of the relationship, you don’t say things like “how can you be so stupid to stay with this guy?” Which is essentially what you people are saying.
sdeco: Don’t know how you can read the posts from those of us who survived an abusive and dangerous relationship & tell ME I’m on my “high horse”. Yes, abusive relationships are insidious and can happen to anyone – I lived in one for 24 years and still have many mental scars as well as emotional ones. I was fortunate to remarry later to a wonderful, caring and GENTLE man who helped me heal a lot from a long life of abuse. He died 3 years ago on Easter week, and I still miss him. He certainly never hurt or hit me, although when aggravated he could certainly yell loud enough (he was retired Army Sgt.- used to yelling when aggravated by recruits!! LOL). He would yell, but he never was verbally abusive, never insulted me, and certainly never hit me. But the first marriage was lovely, for about 2 months, then the beatings started – just an “accidental” slap or two, because he “lost it” – which escalated into broken bones and lost pregnancies. DO NOT demean my post or those who have also taken this seriously – she sounds like a classic case of one who is afraid to leave and afraid to stay – been there, felt that, got out finally. Please have a bit of sympathy for those of us who bared our own hurts to try to prevent someone else from such a life! She’s not stupid – she’s brainwashed by this guy into believing it’s all HER fault – I was the same way for years! It takes years of damaging the self-esteem to get a woman to this point of truly believing it’s her fault. It’s sad, but so true. Help is needed, and prayers as well. I am certainly not “victim bashing” – I was also a victim!
 
Read through my story. You will end up like me… If you marry this man right now.

Do your homework. Encourage therapy. Talk it through. THEN decide. I was like you … I wanted to see only the good.

Don’t end up like me 14 years later.
 
Read through my story. You will end up like me… If you marry this man right now.

Do your homework. Encourage therapy. Talk it through. THEN decide. I was like you … I wanted to see only the good.

Don’t end up like me 14 years later.
mega 1 ---- I followed your posts for many weeks. Hope things have resolved and improved for you. Your situation was certainly extremely stressful, and I pray it has improved greatly by now! Has the therapy made a big difference now? God keep you safe!
 
Thanks judy Nurse!

I don’t want to hijack this thread. Please see my latest posts today about my therapy. I would love your insight.

Thanks!
 
Do not marry someone when these kinds of doubts exists. That doesn’t mean you can never marry this person, but now would probably be a bad time. Marriage will not automatically make problems better.

Pay attention to the caveat—“it’s great when he’s not angry”. :rolleyes:

Ohhhh, that’s rich. :rolleyes: It can also be manipulative. No good Catholic marriage can ever have that element in it! :nope:

Maybe you did make him angry. People make other people angry a lot. But how did he handle it? :o

Confused? Maybe. It probably would be the easy thing** in the short run** to just go along with it. I can tell you that abusers, liars and scammers count on that kind of mentality: “it’s too late to turn back now and it would be too much trouble too anyways”. :tsktsk:

Walking around on eggshells is not what a marriage is like. It’s a hazard to your own health and to the marriage. A good marriage depends on communication, and you cannot do that if you’re worried about getting into a war every time or every other time you want to speak out.

So no, this situation is not ripe for marriage.
I agree.

If, and a big if, you manage not to anger him, what if you have kids?

I shudder to think what he might do to them.
 
Im appalled at the fact that no one has had anything good to say about this man, my fiance. No, i dont come from, nor was i raised in an abusive home to see or know that abuse is okay. I know what abuse is, and it is not what he imposes on me. Abuse is intentional. Out of spite. Im not sure that u all are understanding my story. Here is a wonderful, God fearing man, whom has cheated on me in the past, however, he recognized his fault, repented, confessed it, reconciled with God and me, and he converted into a God fearing man. He does have anger problems and his anger is EXPLOSIVE!! However, we all have faults. Are u condemning a man because of his unintentional faults? Or am i BLIND to what is??
As Christian people, i thought accepting his psychotic behavior and forgiving him is “the Godly” thing to do?? He does lose his mind when he explodes and reacts psychotic however, i am at fault. Ive been in this relationship for a decade, but have not married him because often times i feel a tug of doubt in my soul. But then, i see the good in this man, and how Godly he is, that God indeed has created him for me. Lets be real here people. R u being fair to him by saying he is not ripe for marriage when we all have faults?? Please show me to the light of all this. 😔
Yes we all have faults. This should not excuse hurting someone. If I hurt someone and am brought before a court of law, I doubt that the judge will buy the “I’m good most of the time and besides the victim was at fault” excuse.

Why should you?

Making excuses for his behavior is not doing him any favors, just enabling him to persist in destructive patterns of behavior. This is not love. Love wills the well being of a person not make excuses for them.
 
What does OP mean? And what is “trolling”?
I am as real as you are. My story is real. My fear is real. And my doubts are real. A lot of you on here are making it seem like he is a murderer. He (again) does NOT blow a fist to my face. Never has. The small injuries are caused when he is enraged, and wants to forcefully hold me in a room to fight (argue). In my attempt to get out, accidents happen. Please tell me, that this behavior is okay in a marriage. I didnt see this growing up but its become normal to me and so now i think and assume that this is what happens in marital arguments. Am i right or wrong? Please be open, and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to me through you. Dont pass judgment on this man because he gets angry. He is human. Id say that ALL of u here get angry as well and react. Is that not the normal thing to do???
Id appreciate if youd stop ridiculing this man and get straight forward with advice. And stop talking as if he is a bad man because truth is that 90% of the time, he is amazingly wonderful to me and my children. Hes a kind man. He just gets mad when i set him off.
 
OP means original poster - the one who started the thead (or original post - the first post).
Trolling is posting fake or inflammatory things to stir up a reaction or upset people.

His behavior is not normal in a marriage. Normal couples do not grab, bruise, or hurt eachother, even during arguments.

Normal and loving people, if they find themselves hurting they ones they love out of anger, do everything they can to get help with their agner problem and to stop.

Normal people apologize for hurting their loved ones. They don’t blame the one they hurt.
Abusers do that. They blame the person they hurt, try to make them feel bad, ruin their self-esteem, and convince them to stay because they no longer feel like anyone else will want them.

Being nice 90% of the time doesn’t cut it, especially when he is physically harming you and them blaming you for it.

What if a person was a great parent 90% of the time? If a woman told you she was a clam, loving, wonderful patient mother but she got pissed off and broke her child’s arm or finger “by accident” several times, or lose her temper and beat him to the point of physcial injury 3 times a month, would you still consider her a good parent, or be worried about abuse?

That is the scenario you or presenting here, and very likely the one you will be placing your children in because men who have anger issues with their wives tend to have them even worse with children.
 
What does OP mean? And what is “trolling”?
I am as real as you are. My story is real. My fear is real. And my doubts are real. A lot of you on here are making it seem like he is a murderer. He (again) does NOT blow a fist to my face. Never has. The small injuries are caused when he is enraged, and wants to forcefully hold me in a room to fight (argue). In my attempt to get out, accidents happen. Please tell me, that this behavior is okay in a marriage. I didnt see this growing up but its become normal to me and so now i think and assume that this is what happens in marital arguments. Am i right or wrong? Please be open, and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to me through you. Dont pass judgment on this man because he gets angry. He is human. Id say that ALL of u here get angry as well and react. Is that not the normal thing to do???
Id appreciate if youd stop ridiculing this man and get straight forward with advice. And stop talking as if he is a bad man because truth is that 90% of the time, he is amazingly wonderful to me and my children. Hes a kind man. He just gets mad when i set him off.
OP = original post or original poster. “trolling” is either a forum member ‘in disguise’ to start a contentious thread or a new member contriving a scenario with the intention to stir up emotions and agitate for the fun of it.

Really, you have your answer from members already. If you don’t believe that it is abusive and unacceptable to hold onto someone against their will, for the purpose of raging at them. Causing them injury by it and blaming you… you aren’t ready for the truth. Nigella Lawson thought Charles Saatchi was a nice guy too and perhaps wouldn’t have had the courage to kick him to the curb had he not been brazen enough to grab her face an twitch her nose in public ‘to get her attention’. Do you think he feels any remorse. No siree. He feels persecuted and misrepresented. He only grabbed at her neck to ‘make her focus’.

You need to have courage and do what you have to do to get away from this toxic relationship. Others have given you stellar advice from direct experience. What you’ve told us about him is atrocious. I think about my Dad and brothers in their marriages and cannot in a million years envisage the holding my Mum or their wives and raging in the way you describe.
 
OP means original poster - the one who started the thead (or original post - the first post).
Trolling is posting fake or inflammatory things to stir up a reaction or upset people.

His behavior is not normal in a marriage. Normal couples do not grab, bruise, or hurt eachother, even during arguments.

Normal and loving people, if they find themselves hurting they ones they love out of anger, do everything they can to get help with their agner problem and to stop.

Normal people apologize for hurting their loved ones. They don’t blame the one they hurt.
Abusers do that. They blame the person they hurt, try to make them feel bad, ruin their self-esteem, and convince them to stay because they no longer feel like anyone else will want them.

Being nice 90% of the time doesn’t cut it, especially when he is physically harming you and them blaming you for it.

What if a person was a great parent 90% of the time? If a woman told you she was a clam, loving, wonderful patient mother but she got pissed off and broke her child’s arm or finger “by accident” several times, or lose her temper and beat him to the point of physcial injury 3 times a month, would you still consider her a good parent, or be worried about abuse?

That is the scenario you or presenting here, and very likely the one you will be placing your children in because men who have anger issues with their wives tend to have them even worse with children.
And your children, like many children from abusive homes, grow up to be either abusers or victims of abuse themselves.
 
A lot of you on here are making it seem like he is a murderer.
We don’t know what the future holds. However, the fact that he can’t control himself when he gets enraged is a VERY BAD sign.

I was at a seminar the other day with some well respected martial arts masters. One whom I know very well told us about a story such as yours that occurred in past year. He had to tell it to us, because the person that was involved can’t. That’s because her throat was slit after she was beaten and raped by her “significant other.”
He (again) does NOT blow a fist to my face. Never has. The small injuries are caused when he is enraged, and wants to forcefully hold me in a room to fight (argue). In my attempt to get out, accidents happen. Please tell me, that this behavior is okay in a marriage.
It’s not okay. Period.

BTW, if you think this is what your marriage will be like, you’re entirely wrong. It will be far, far worse.
Dont pass judgment on this man because he gets angry. He is human. Id say that ALL of u here get angry as well and react. Is that not the normal thing to do???
Do we all get angry? Sure. Even Christ got angry at the merchants in the Temple.

But it’s how we deal with the anger that matters. His way of dealing with anger is to verbal and physically take it out on you. Your way of dealing with it is to be submissive and accept the abuse as normal.

FWIW, the appropriate way of dealing with such a situation is simply to remove yourself from such a situation as quickly as possible and don’t look back. The other option is using the appropriate self-defense. You are doing neither, but rather encouraging his bad behavior.

You need help. Get it now, before you become the next statistic.
 
No this is not normal or acceptable behavior in or out of a marriage. Any arguments between a husband and wife can be verbal disagreements, but there should be no: grabbing of someone, holding someone in a room who is attempting to leave the argument, no “accidental injuries”. This is not acceptable behavior between a boyfriend and girlfriend, or between those planning to marry.

No I will not tell you this is acceptable or normal behavior in a marriage, because it is not. It is abnormal, and dangerous behavior and indicates a person unable to control their feelings of anger. It is also the symptoms of someone with a serious emotional problem to do so and then blame the one trying to get away from the argument. It isn’t your fault, and there is absolutely no blame to you for wanting to get out of a room where someone is “losing it” that completely. It is abnormal for him to restrain you from leaving. Obviously his anger frightens you, or you wouldn’t be trying so hard to leave that his grip hurts you. If you continue with him, he will eventually hit you and knock you down as a means of forcing you to remain.

A friend of mine had a daughter of 20, with a young 3 year old child and a 3 month old infant. Her fiancée was the father of both. He held onto her when he yelled and screamed at her. One evening when she tried to get away, he grabbed a mirror, smashed it and sawed her throat with it – in front of the 3 year old boy. She is dead, he is in jail for murder, and the two children are now with her mother, who is partially disabled, unable to work and a widow. Our Church is assisting her with funds and food /clothing for the kids. But the lovely young woman (an only child) is now dead, the children have no mother now, and the father is in prison for life. This occurred 15 months ago and I know the Grandmother, and knew the daughter when she was in high school and sang in the Parish Choir. He also had not hit her previously, but he totally lost control one night and this is the result. By the way, the father/fiancée was also a wonderful young man, had dated the girl through high school, and loved the kids as well. He was wonderful 90% of the time. One of those “10%” times ended in her death. Because he was trying to restrain her and make her listen to his yelling. Sound like it could happen to others as well. He also went to Mass with her and the kids every single week. Being in control 90% of the time, being “wonderful” 90% of the time is not enough. Having self-control, consideration and respect for your partner is a 100% deal. If a man were to grab me now, (and I’m 72 now) and yell at me, he’d be minus a kneecap or in jail. Period.
 
I suggest we stop posting. If this is a troll, it won’t do any good to feed him or her.

If the OP is real, then she won’t listen to what we say.
Its a troll.

I’m surprised so many fell for it.

Don’t be surprised when we get another “unreal” one soon. Of course, it’ll be a new name and a trial membership. Another giveaway is the cell-phone style text spelling.
 
Its a troll.

I’m surprised so many fell for it.

Don’t be surprised when we get another “unreal” one soon. Of course, it’ll be a new name and a trial membership. Another giveaway is the cell-phone style text spelling.
I think you’re right. I think the reason so many of us became involved is because there are a number of us who have been in similar situations and gotten out. What bothers me is when she keeps coming back saying “tell me this is o.k.” after 10 or 20 people have already said it’s absolutely NOT O.K. She keeps trying to find someone to agree. Fine. If she’s for real, and thinks abuse is an “o.k.” thing, then she’s got just as much of a problem as her boyfriend. If it’s a troll, it sure did get a reaction, as we were all concerned for someone in a dangerous situation. End of this post for me. We can say “no” until we’re exhausted, but she wants a “yes”, and she won’t find it here.
 
Im really desperate for some answers and im asking for your divine advice. Im at wits end and find myself going in circles with the same unanswered question: Do i marry him or not?
Ive already sought priest advice. 1 priest said NO!!! and the other said YES!!!
So as a last resort, i ask you for spiritual guidance. I feel lost in my own mind. Crazy.
Im depressed and miserable right now because last night turned out ugly. Im bruised because of an accident not that he did it intentional. He apologized for it and didnt meant to do it but he says i made him angry, so its my fault.
But in my heart, i know, that its his explosive anger tantrums that are to blame for the mild physical accidental abuse that i continue to suffer and somehow my instincts say i shouldnt marry this guy but when hes not angry, he is “the perfect God sent man that any catholic/christian woman would want as a lifelong companion” just dont **** him off and everything will be fine. Is this what marriage is like or am i confused? Please help. Thank you
As Dr Phil say’s, “Physical violence is a deal breaker.” It doesn’t matter whether he was pissed off or angry at the time, it is an absolute deal breaker.

Please visit these links.

Quiz: Is Your Daughter in an Abusive Relationship?
Quiz: Are You in an Abusive Relationship?
Warning Signs of an Abusive Relationship
Are You In an Emotionally Abusive Relationship?
Abusive Love
End the Silence on Domestic Violence

An Exit Action Plan: Guidelines for Leaving an Abusive Relationship

I hope I have helped

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Its a troll.

I’m surprised so many fell for it.

Don’t be surprised when we get another “unreal” one soon. Of course, it’ll be a new name and a trial membership. Another giveaway is the cell-phone style text spelling.
It is uncharitable to call anyone a troll. If you think so report it to a moderator but do not accuse a poster in a manner that only causes hurt and alienation to a genuine person.

There is no proof, just supposition on the part of someone who has said this. Nor does the poster use a lot of texting spelling.

The situation the OP speaks of is credible. Women do make excuses for their partner or spouses abuse, and abusers can be lovely at the times when their anger isn’t aroused.
I apologize to the OP on behalf of anyone who has unjustly offended.

Why did my sister stay so long with her abuser husband? I asked her. She replied, “there were good times too.” Basically, the OP is saying what she said and can’t understand why we can’t see the positive side. Of course that also exists.

Her view of the abuse side of her boyfriend is typical of many women who are abused. She defends, makes excuses for, and blames herself.

Josh I just saw your posts. Great posts! God bless!
 
To the OP…at the least, can you encourage your boyfriend to seriously work at anger management, and to get help in anger management. Can you encourage him to recognize the problem. You love him but you shouldn’t have to be scared of him.

And you don’t want him to model abusive anger treatment of a woman to your sons, nor the tendency to accept abusive behaviour in your daughters. If you allow them to grow up seeing this sort of behaviour, the cycle will most likely continue in your children’s lives.

God bless and guide you, and God bless and protect your children. God bless your boyfriend with a gentle response in challenging situations
 
At all of you that have taken sincere, compassionate time, thank you for listening and not doubting my situation. I have been dealing with this for years and it seems that every time i cause him to get angry, i come out physically hurt. Each time leaving me with more emotional, mental and physical pain. The physical accidental hurts are becoming more evident on my body. People ask why a stint on my finger. Or why a wrist wrap. Or why the bruising on my body.
Judynurse, i got chills and fear ran through me in your story. I am deeply sorry to hear that this happened to such a dear friend of yours. You see, every time im caught up in one of his anger blowups, i fear for my life. It is my son, 10, that saves me every time. Hes an angel that shows up at the scenes every time to stand guard for my life. In those moments, my fiance starts to blame me to him and makes me at fault for his reaction. There have been many times, where i have felt that in his anger, he is capable of taking my neck and wringing it because he loses control and looks like a demon in such situations. Im afraid that i’ll do anything to ever anger him again. I keep thinking that it is my fault and that I am the problem. It is I who stirs him up and then he reacts. Am i still wrong? He says i rattle his cage.
Im going to visit with my priest today. Thank you all again and Blessings to all. Id say im praying for you all, but at this point i feel like i cant even pray because theres a hinderance to my fellowship with God. I cant focus but on the fear that consumes me. Thank you all again and much love to you.
 
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