Do Jewish Peoples Await The Messiah?

[Thing]

…?

 

[Cristian_B]

I think yes. Since they didn’t recognize Jesus as the Messiah and as far as I know, they still don’t have a Messiah (or at least not officially), then they are still waiting for him.

 

[yubasux95901]

Since the Jewish people did not believe that Christ was the Messiah, they are still waiting for signs that someone is the Messiah. Sadly, many (the ones that don’t end up converting to Christianity and believing in Christ) will end up believing that the Anti-Christ is the Messiah instead of Christ himself.

 

[John7]

Check out:

BAR KOCHBA
aish.com/jl/h/48944706.html about a third down the page
"Bar Kosiba’s success caused many to believe – among them Rabbi Akiva, one of the wisest and holiest of Israel’s rabbis – that he could be the Messiah. He was nicknamed “Bar Kochba” or “Son of Star,” an allusion to a verse in the Book of Numbers (24:17): “there shall come a star out of Jacob.” This star is understood to refer to the Messiah.

Bar Kochba did not turn out to be the Messiah, and later the rabbis wrote that his real name was Bar Kosiva meaning “Son of a Lie” – highlighting the fact that he was a false Messiah."

SABBATAI ZEVI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi#Proclaimed_messiah
half-way down the page (#7)
"Samuel Primo, a man who entered Sabbatai’s service as secretary when the latter went to Smyrna, directed in the name of the Messiah the following circular to all of the Jews:

“The first-begotten Son of God, Shabbethai Tebi, Messiah and Redeemer of the people of Israel, to all the sons of Israel, Peace! Since ye have been deemed worthy to behold the great day and the fulfilment of God’s word by the Prophets, your lament and sorrow must be changed into joy, and your fasting into merriment; for ye shall weep no more. Rejoice with song and melody, and change the day formerly spent in sadness and sorrow into a day of jubilee, because I have appeared.”

This message was considered blasphemous…"

RABBI SCHNEERSON
rabbiyess.com/Index2.html
“That Rabbi M.M. Schneerson was and is presently (in spite of his reported “passing” in 1994) Judaism’s and mankind’s one and only King Messiah, Final Redeemer, and the one who will imminently reappear and usher in the End of Days and the Messianic Era forecasted throughout the Jewish Book of Prophets is authoritatively explained in clear and logical language in the many articles that await you here.”
http://www.kingofpeace.org/sermons2005-2006/Lubavitcher.jpg

 

[Splinker]

yes

 

[qwerk]

I wonder if it has occurred to any of them that a lot of time has passed since their last prophet came, and since Jesus came. Or do they believe that there have been some more prophets after Jesus?

 

[jfoges]

I wonder if it has occurred to any of them that a lot of time has passed since their last prophet came, and since Jesus came. Or do they believe that there have been some more prophets after Jesus?

I am a convert to Catholicism but I practiced Judaism for a while as I was exploring religions. I can say from experience that Jews do await the messiah. Some Jewish groups are more focused on the messiah than others. The Chabad-Lubavitch Hassidim are very focused on the Messiah, and some believe that their late Rebbe, Menachem Schneerson, was/is the messiah. There are other groups of Jews such as the Modern Orthodox who do believe in the messiah, but may not focus as heavily on it.

As for why there have been no prophets since the time of the Old Testament, some orthodox Jews believe that it is because the temple was destroyed. They believe that since the destruction of the temple, the shekinah (divine presence) is no longer on the earth and the Jews are in a spiritual and material state of exile. They believe that once the messiah comes he will rebuild the temple and the prophets will be restored.

I could be wrong about some of these points as I am not an expert, but this is what I remember learning.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I am a convert to Catholicism but I practiced Judaism for a while as I was exploring religions. I can say from experience that Jews do await the messiah. Some Jewish groups are more focused on the messiah than others. The Chabad-Lubavitch Hassidim are very focused on the Messiah, and some believe that their late Rebbe, Menachem Schneerson, was/is the messiah. There are other groups of Jews such as the Modern Orthodox who do believe in the messiah, but may not focus as heavily on it. . . …

I wonder if the Reformed Jews do?

 

[jfoges]

I wonder if the Reformed Jews do?

My guess is that Reformed Jews would vary in their beliefs. Some Reformed Jews are more traditional and others are more liberal. In my opinion, Orthodox Judaism is the real Judaism. Reformed, to the best of my knowledge, only really exists in North America. In Israel there is only orthodox.

 

[qwerk]

I am a convert to Catholicism but I practiced Judaism for a while as I was exploring religions. I can say from experience that Jews do await the messiah. Some Jewish groups are more focused on the messiah than others. The Chabad-Lubavitch Hassidim are very focused on the Messiah, and some believe that their late Rebbe, Menachem Schneerson, was/is the messiah. There are other groups of Jews such as the Modern Orthodox who do believe in the messiah, but may not focus as heavily on it.

As for why there have been no prophets since the time of the Old Testament, some orthodox Jews believe that it is because the temple was destroyed. They believe that since the destruction of the temple, the shekinah (divine presence) is no longer on the earth and the Jews are in a spiritual and material state of exile. They believe that once the messiah comes he will rebuild the temple and the prophets will be restored.

I could be wrong about some of these points as I am not an expert, but this is what I remember learning.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[StrawberryJam]

yes

Splinker,

I noticed your post did not seem to count here. I also noticed your belief is Jewish.

Does this mean that non Jewish theists know more about your beliefs than you do?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[jfoges]

Since the Jewish people did not believe that Christ was the Messiah, they are still waiting for signs that someone is the Messiah. Sadly, many (the ones that don’t end up converting to Christianity and believing in Christ) will end up believing that the Anti-Christ is the Messiah instead of Christ himself.

How do you know what they will end up doing when Christ returns? I thought the bible taught that the Jews would accept Jesus in the end.

 

[qwerk]

How do you know what they will end up doing when Christ returns? I thought the bible taught that the Jews would accept Jesus in the end.

I think it will be like most people - the good ones with good hearts will ‘see’ and the bad ones won’t.

I read where (I think) it was Our Lady of Fatima said to the children that each person will be given the chance to chose right from wrong and it is up to them to chose. I guess, to me, it is the same sort of thing that I am trying to say for the Jews - or anyone. We know that many Christians are not very good people and in the end, they will be judged by God too.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

My guess is that Reformed Jews would vary in their beliefs. Some Reformed Jews are more traditional and others are more liberal. In my opinion, Orthodox Judaism is the real Judaism. Reformed, to the best of my knowledge, only really exists in North America. In Israel there is only orthodox.

Thanks - Joe K.

 

[mandateman]

The covenant with Abraham was two sided. The people of God had responsibilities and God made promises. The moment that God fulfilled all his promises in Jesus who is both the only Messiah and God the covenant of Abraham was ended.

Whatever Hebrew people are waiting for it is not the Messiah for the Messiah is not an Ideal but a person, who is Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the covenant and it ended, God having completed it personally. Those Jewish persons who followed the true messiah became Catholic and were offered a completely new covenant not a continuation of the first.

In the old covenant Abraham’s decendants were recognized as the people of God. In the New Covenant through Baptism the people of God are raised to become the adopted children of God.

It is a mistake to think that the Jewish people refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah for in the first century the majority of Jewish persons became Christian the minority that refused to accept the Messiah God sent, HIMSELF, are the ancestors of the Jewish people of today.

We ourselves are awaiting the return of the Messiah Our Lord and Our God, Jesus Christ.

Peter the first pope and himself a convert from Judaism called the Jewish people, “the faithless people.” He was not commenting on their convictions but upon their covenant. They had become a people without a covenant awaiting someone who has already been. Sad really. In the estimation of St Peter a former Jew and first pope there is no such thing as an actual Jewish religion recognized by God.

When at the time of St Cyril of Jerusalem the followers of modern covenantless Judaism tried to rebuild the temple St Cyril the Bishop of Jerusalem warned them that God will not ever permit the temple to be rebuilt because the faith and covenant on which the temple had is glory was dead. They tried three times to start construction and fire came up out of the earth and killed all the workman each time. There is no actual Jewish religion with any form of divine covenant today.

 

[jfoges]

The covenant with Abraham was two sided. The people of God had responsibilities and God made promises. The moment that God fulfilled all his promises in Jesus who is both the only Messiah and God the covenant of Abraham was ended.

Whatever Hebrew people are waiting for it is not the Messiah for the Messiah is not an Ideal but a person, who is Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the covenant and it ended, God having completed it personally. Those Jewish persons who followed the true messiah became Catholic and were offered a completely new covenant not a continuation of the first.

In the old covenant Abraham’s decendants were recognized as the people of God. In the New Covenant through Baptism the people of God are raised to become the adopted children of God.

It is a mistake to think that the Jewish people refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah for in the first century the majority of Jewish persons became Christian the minority that refused to accept the Messiah God sent, HIMSELF, are the ancestors of the Jewish people of today.

We ourselves are awaiting the return of the Messiah Our Lord and Our God, Jesus Christ.

Peter the first pope and himself a convert from Judaism called the Jewish people, “the faithless people.” He was not commenting on their convictions but upon their covenant. They had become a people without a covenant awaiting someone who has already been. Sad really. In the estimation of St Peter a former Jew and first pope there is no such thing as an actual Jewish religion recognized by God.

When at the time of St Cyril of Jerusalem the followers of modern covenantless Judaism tried to rebuild the temple St Cyril the Bishop of Jerusalem warned them that God will not ever permit the temple to be rebuilt because the faith and covenant on which the temple had is glory was dead. They tried three times to start construction and fire came up out of the earth and killed all the workman each time. There is no actual Jewish religion with any form of divine covenant today.

I would like to quote Nostra Aetate, the Vatican 2 document on non-Christian religions, because it does seem to imply that Israel continues to exist as a people and do have some form of a covenant or promise.

"
The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: “theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh” (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church’s main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ’s Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and “serve him shoulder to shoulder” (Soph. 3:9).(12)"

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

 

[benidict]

I would like to quote Nostra Aetate, the Vatican 2 document on non-Christian religions, because it does seem to imply that Israel continues to exist as a people and do have some form of a covenant or promise.

"
The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: “theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh” (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church’s main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ’s Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and “serve him shoulder to shoulder” (Soph. 3:9).(12)"

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

yes and this also fits in with what our sunday missal teaches us. i will have to get back to you on the exact sunday. but it is the reading on Gods gifts and calling are irrevokable. and that he is not done with his chosen. the physical Jews. i also look forward to the time when we will be one people with the Childern Of Israel. Peace

 

[benidict]

yes and this also fits in with what our sunday missal teaches us. i will have to get back to you on the exact sunday. but it is the reading on Gods gifts and calling are irrevokable. and that he is not done with his chosen. the physical Jews. i also look forward to the time when we will be one people with the Childern Of Israel. Peace

in the roman missal thirtieth week saturday in ordinary time is one. it is based on romans 11:1-2 vs 11-12 and vs 25-29. there is another passage with commentary on one of the sundays in ordinary time, if im not mistaken. will look for this one also. maybe someone can help us out. it is more emphatic than this reading, in reguards to the commentary, that God has not abandoned his people the Jews. Peace

 

[mandateman]

I agree that the Hebrew people hold some signifigance as the origin and people of God because they are the blood kin to Our Blessed Mother who is the only means by which God could become a man.

The honor paid to their forefathers by us who do recognize Abraham, Isacc and Jacob, Moses etc as our forefathers in faith are true. But nothing in what is said about the people of God the Hebrews means that their covenantless religion is of any significance to God. Their covenant is ended not their royal race. My own great grandfather was Jewish and so I hold this blood connection to Jesus and Mary with honor but I do not speculate as to whether it is a good idea to reject God to be Jewish.

The Church is both diplomatic and kind their statement praises the history of the people when their covenant was real and those members who are now saints who were faithful to that covenant. The apostles for example baptized one day 3000 men and their wives and children on another 5000 men their wives and children and servants just those two days accounts for about 20,000 jewish people. The entire population of Jerusalem at that time was about 40,000 inhabitants. It was the leaders primarily who refused to follow the Messiah.