Do Jews and Atheists Believe They Will Go To Heaven By Rejecting Jesus?

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What are your opinions here. One of the greatest sin other than Blasphemy, is to deny Jesus Christ. By denying him, will the Jews and Atheists still go to heaven? And don’t say yes because Jews don’t believe He is the Messiah, even tho they are told about him and have read about him.
 
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Righteousone said:
What are your opinions here. One of the greatest sin other than Blasphemy, is to deny Jesus Christ. By denying him, will the Jews and Atheists still go to heaven? And don’t say yes because Jews don’t believe He is the Messiah, even tho they are told about him and have read about him.
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**Being informed about Christ has nothing do with having saving faith in Him. Does knowing about Dubya, mean knowing Dubya in person ? Of course not. Knowing a lot about the USA, does not make anyone a USA citizen; knowing volumes about Christ, is not the same as knowing Him, let alone being “in Him”. **​

**And when Christians give the lie to the faith they profess by - say - persecuting Jews or atheists - their acts speak louder than any of their words, however fine. If there is a yawning chasm between what we say & what we profess to believe - why should anyone take what we say seriously 😦 ? **
**A lot of unbelief is not rejection of God - it’s rejection of the distortions we identify as God. **
 
Righteousone said:
What are your opinions here. One of the greatest sin other than Blasphemy, is to deny Jesus Christ. By denying him, will the Jews and Atheists still go to heaven? And don’t say yes because Jews don’t believe He is the Messiah, even tho they are told about him and have read about him.
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I will only answer on behalf of atheists. Since atheists do not have a belief in a god or gods, and by heaven I assume you mean the place where Jesus resides, then they do not believe in heaven. So if one does not believe such a place exists, he/she cannot believe he/she will go there or not go there.
 
Righteousone said:
What are your opinions here. One of the greatest sin other than Blasphemy, is to deny Jesus Christ. By denying him, will the Jews and Atheists still go to heaven? And don’t say yes because Jews don’t believe He is the Messiah, even tho they are told about him and have read about him.
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Well, I know a lot of Jews and they don’t care what Christians think about heaven. Most don’t believe that Jesus is the messiah and certainly don’t believe He is God. Lots don’t even believe that He ever existed.

So, if Jesus is real and correct then I suppose the unbelievers are doomed. But of course they believe that we are very wrong and we are wasting our time with a false God. The Jews were here before Christians and they are worthy of respect.

A Jewish friend of mine who is quite well read and very smart makes the argument that there would not have been a Passover Seder followed by a crucifixion because Jewish law would not have permitted that timing. He says that the account of the last supper doesn’t make sense because the order of the meal is incorrect and a Jew would not have made that error. He is pretty much convinced that Jesus never existed.

Will he go to heaven? For him the question doesn’t make sense because he doesn’t believe in heaven and he doesn’t care what we Christians think.
 
If I believed Jesus was God and then rejected him, I could see how my soul might be in danger. But if I believed the teachings about Jesus are false and I reject those teachings, I do not reject God. I reject a set of beliefs about God. Just as I do not believe someone is doomed for not following Judaism, I don’t believe I am doomed for not following any of the numerous sects of Christianity.
 
My father is an atheist. He doesn’t believe in heaven or any sort of afterlife, nor does he believe in a “personal God.” He thinks that when he dies, he will just lose consciousness and that will be that. Many atheists become more open to religion as they get older and they realize that their time on earth will soon come to an end. Not so (yet!) with my father – he is going on 88 and is still convinced that this life is all there is. 😦
 
As ahs been pointed out, atheists are betting that they are correct and it doesn’t matter. they still can repent with their dying breath.

Jews are a unique case. As Valke said, if they found the evidence compelling and turned away, there is an issue. If they did not find it compelling, or never saw it, they are left to the mercy of God. Yes, Jesus said that He was the only Way, so does that mean everyone who lived in North and South America prior to European Colonization was damned?
 
I think I’ll go to heaven. If there is one.

Why? Because I think God would like me. 🙂
 
I’m not an atheist so I can’t speak for them…but I am reasonbly sure atheists do not believe IN heaven, so…

Jews believe we go to the Olam Ha’Ba (World to Come, Heaven) by being decent, moral people, by doing mitzvot (good deeds), and by worshipping God. Micah 6:8 is a good summary of what we believe. Jesus is no more a part of the question for us than is Mohammed, Zoroaster, Buddha, Krishna, etc

Note that what I said above applies largely to religious Jews.
 
Righteousone said:
What are your opinions here. One of the greatest sin other than Blasphemy, is to deny Jesus Christ. By denying him, will the Jews and Atheists still go to heaven? And don’t say yes because Jews don’t believe He is the Messiah, even tho they are told about him and have read about him.
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Athiests don’t believe in heaven so they don’t think they’re going there. As much as you might like to disagree with me, the fact is most Jews really know nothing about who Jesus is and what he did for us…therefore they haven’t rejected him. Further, from the Jewish point of view Jesus just didn’t meet the requirements to be called THE Messiah…so it would be hard for most of them to have faith in Christ as Messiah. Lastly, as the Church tells us, Judaism is ALREADY a response to the call of God…and God will save whom he will. All salvation comes from Christ, but your understanding of how you think that works doesn’t bind God. The Jews will, for the most part, remain in disbelief of Christ as Messiah until the “time of the Gentiles” is fulfilled. They will be judged, so Romans tells us, in accordance with the law. You will do better by showing Jews, and all who don’t know Christ, the example of your life. Preach daily…use words when necessary.
 
HashemEchad said:
I’m not an atheist so I can’t speak for them…but I am reasonbly sure atheists do not believe IN heaven, so…

Jews believe we go to the Olam Ha’Ba (World to Come, Heaven) by being decent, moral people, by doing mitzvot (good deeds), and by worshipping God. Micah 6:8 is a good summary of what we believe. Jesus is no more a part of the question for us than is Mohammed, Zoroaster, Buddha, Krishna, etc

Note that what I said above applies largely to religious Jews.
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As someone who is skeptical of the existence of G-d and an afterlife (a de facto atheist) I think you’ve put it well.

If there is a G-d, I’m comfortable with the fact that he probably doesn’t mind me not believing in him. He created me (and millions like me) to be skeptical and to demand evidence for unproven theories.

The great Muslim philosopher Ibn-Rushd said that people like us (atheists) were arriving at a real knowledge of Allah (G-d) through our devotion to reason. He urged people like me not to fight with people like you (HashemEchad) but for us to respect one another, because G-d sent prophets to each of us, and we both serve him in our own ways. You have Moses and Abraham. I have Epicurus, Isaac Newton and Karl Marx.

I am completely at peace with the fact that I might be wrong. I might find myself judged for my unbelief, and the (Mormon) Heavenly Father might send me to outer darkness. If that’s the case then it indicates that he created millions of people like me simply to fight with people like you, and after this life, simply to torture me with eternal punishment. That would make G-d petty, stupid and sadistic, and I would reject Him on principle even if I did believe in Him literally.

I perform what you call mitzvot simply for my own amusement, and because I know (with my own senses) that serving civilization is necessary for the continuity of civilization. If there is a G-d I trust he’ll weigh my good deeds with my bad ones justly. If not, charity and service still benefits humanity, in this world, which is the only world I trust I’ll ever know.
 
Hey Lamar,
I am confused. Are you atheist, agnostic, Mormon, or just Lamar?
 
Valke2 said:
If I believed Jesus was God and then rejected him, I could see how my soul might be in danger. But if I believed the teachings about Jesus are false and I reject those teachings, I do not reject God. I reject a set of beliefs about God. Just as I do not believe someone is doomed for not following Judaism, I don’t believe I am doomed for not following any of the numerous sects of Christianity.
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Exactly. When the Church speaks of “rejecting Christ” it means “knowingly reject Christ”. That is, a person who has come to understand that Jesus is in fact God incarnate and that he is the messiah and then rejects him, is in sin. A person who has never come to that realization has not sinned. The bible (and the Catechism) says that these people will be judged according to their deeds, the same as Christians will be.

Paul
 
ralphinal said:
Hey Lamar,
I am confused. Are you atheist, agnostic, Mormon, or just Lamar?
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I’m not an agnostic, in that I’m more or less convinced that there is not a G-d or an afterlife. I am perfectly open to the possibility that I might be wrong.

I have a tradition that I was raised in. At this point I simply use it as a framework for community, charity and ethics. I don’t have time for any spook stories or temple ceremonies.

And of course, I speak only for myself.

“Do you consider yourself militant?” asks the reporter… “I consider myself Malcom”, replies Malcom X…

😃
 
LaMar said:
I’m not an agnostic, in that I’m more or less convinced that there is not a G-d or an afterlife. I am perfectly open to the possibility that I might be wrong.

I have a tradition that I was raised in. At this point I simply use it as a framework for community, charity and ethics. I don’t have time for any spook stories or temple ceremonies.

And of course, I speak only for myself.

“Do you consider yourself militant?” asks the reporter… “I consider myself Malcom”, replies Malcom X…

😃
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Ok. Now I understand
 
Yerusalyim said:
Athiests don’t believe in heaven so they don’t think they’re going there. As much as you might like to disagree with me, the fact is most Jews really know nothing about who Jesus is and what he did for us…therefore they haven’t rejected him. Further, from the Jewish point of view Jesus just didn’t meet the requirements to be called THE Messiah…so it would be hard for most of them to have faith in Christ as Messiah. Lastly, as the Church tells us, Judaism is ALREADY a response to the call of God…and God will save whom he will. All salvation comes from Christ, but your understanding of how you think that works doesn’t bind God. The Jews will, for the most part, remain in disbelief of Christ as Messiah until the “time of the Gentiles” is fulfilled. They will be judged, so Romans tells us, in accordance with the law. You will do better by showing Jews, and all who don’t know Christ, the example of your life. Preach daily…use words when necessary.
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I didn’t know God needed ‘requirements’ for Jesus to be the Messiah…:hmmm:
 
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