Do Jews Believe In Original Sin?

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If we’re going to look at the cultures around the Israelites then we have to look no further than the Canaanites to see some images of how the surrounding cultures conceived of snakes – because Israel’s neighbors did associate the serpent (snake) with an Earth Mother (and the snake played a beneficial role in fertility cults). In Israel, a bronze snake, dated from the 15th Century BC has been found at Gezer, demonstrating that the ancient Canaanites worshipped snakes. An iron serpent from the Israelite period was found by archaeologists in the Ayalon Valley, suggesting another snake cult.

In ancient Egypt, RE was primary among the god-head and was identified by the snake. The Pharoah are frequently represented with this snake on their crown. For a long time the Egyptian cobra, Naja Haje, has been the stock-and-trade for the conjurer and side-show snake charmers. Cobras are well known for their ability to expand their upper neck into a disc shape by spreading its ribs. The cobra, then, symbolized immortality and was regarded as a protected deity, being frequently illustrated on ancient Egyptian monuments.

In Hindu mythology, the Nagas/Nagis were a race of serpents whose purpose was to populate the underworld, Patalas. They were the 1000 offspring of the sage, Kasyapa, and Kadru, the daughter of Daksha. They are associated with weather (especially rain) & pictures of them are worshipped during times of drought. The Nagas are only malevolent to humans when they have been mistreated, and while their venom is deadly, they also carry the elixir of life and immortality. One story mentions that when the gods were rationing out the elixir of immortality, the Nagas grabbed a cup. The gods were able to retrieve the cup, but in doing so, spilled a few drops on the ground. The Nagas quickly licked up the drops, but in doing so, cut their tongues on the grass, & since then their tongues have been forked. Sesha, whose name meaning “eternal”, is the world serpent who provides the bed for Vishnu as his heads give Vishnu shade.

A well-known Theravada sutra turning around the device of Buddha’s giving advice to Rahula his son, is called the Chapter of the Snake [Uragavagga] It is the first chapter of the Sutta-Nipata [Collection of Discourses]. Its title comes from the name of the first section, Uraga Sutta [On the Snake’s Skin] that is about the monk who discards all human passions and is then compared to a snake that has shed its skin. It is also interesting to note that Nagarjuna, in his teaching on the Prajnaparamita, refers to the dehumanizing effects of poverty. He reminds us of the three friends that lived happily together in a pool – a snake, a turtle and a frog. It is interesting to note that the snake had been Devadatta, the Buddha’s nemesis, in a former lifetime.

Coming back to the Israelites, we see that serpents (or snakes), such as the Egyptian Cobra, were also thought by many people to represent evil or Satan. The basis of the Zoroastrian purity laws, for example, is the battle between good and evil. Among living things of the good creation, it was wrong to kill any immature animal or plant, no sapling, lamb or calf may be killed. Nor might they be maltreated. A dog is clean except, of course, when dead. Any sacrificial animal remains pure once sanctified. But any animal deemed to be of the evil creation had to be killed, and magi carried a stick with a leather loop for catching and killing flies, scorpions and especially snakes.

Vendidad 18.61-62 actually addresses prostitution and declares that, because she grieves Ahuramazda most, the courtesan has less right to live than a snake. More specifically, Azi Dahaka (the ‘fiendish snake’) is conceived of as partly demonic and partly human. He was probably originally the ‘snake’ of the storm-cloud who was a counterpart of the Vedic Ahi or Vrita. In the Yasht, he is described as struggling for the Hvareno, or Kingly Glory, against Atar (Fire). In the Shah Namah, he appears as a man with two snakes springing from his shoulders. These snakes were have said to have grown from a kiss bestowed by Ahriman. At the renovation, Azi Dahaka will be put in chains on Mount Demavand; but in the end, he will break loose from the bonds and return to disturb creation.

It seems unfair to overlook the context from which Judaism emerged from in order to read the Scriptural accounts of the snake as being only a “talking snake”. In fact, I think it’s basically impossible to divorce the earliest parts of the Genesis account from the cultures that the Israelites emerged from – especially when many religions which pre-dated Judaism either venerated the snake as a sign of divine wisdom or else a source of demonic inspiration (with some religions actually concluding that snakes were demons in disguise well before Judaism emerged from their own culture).
 
Hi all!
Semper Fi:
Orthodox Jews of today may not believe in the Christian concept of Original Sin, but it is surely found throughout the OT.
How’s everything with USMC?

The second clause in your sentence is a matter of opinion. We respectfully beg to disagree,

Christianley, the link you gave is very good. This one outreachjudaism.org/original.htm is also helpful.
Mr. Ex Nihilo:
It seems to me that some Alexandrian Jews did believe in someting very much like original sin.
Not to be flip, but so?

What some Jews may have believed is, in this case, not indicative of what normative Judaism held, and holds. As others have noted, the Catholic notion of original sin is alien to Judaism, whatever
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Ghosty:
Some prominent rabbis taught…
notwithstanding.
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Ghosty:
The aspect of Original Sin that deals with the absence of Grace is not present in Judaism so far as I know, but then the entire Catholic concept of Grace is absent from Judaism to my knowledge. Having a share in the Divine Life was not a teaching that was really possible before Jesus, so it’s not suprising that such a difference exists. Without a concept of the Divine taking on human flesh, there’s no way to really have the Catholic understanding of Grace (though certain Protestant conceptions would be compatible).
Very good!

This jewfaq.org/human.htm#Yetzer is a good short piece on the Jewish concept of the yetzer hara.

Good night!

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
Not to be flip, but so?
Well, it was what was asked by the OP. 🙂
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stillsmallvoice:
What some Jews may have believed is, in this case, not indicative of what normative Judaism held, and holds. As others have noted, the Catholic notion of original sin is alien to Judaism, whatever notwithstanding.
Do you think that Judaism started in a vacuum or in a continuum?
 
the original sin concepts is in the OT…one can quote a hundred verse talking about the sinful nature of human kind, even conceived in sin.

Wis., ii, 24: “But by the envy of the devil death came into the world”.

Ps.58:3: “the wicked go astray from the womb, they err from their birth speaking lies. Ps.51:5 David claimed that he was conceived in iniquity.”

“What is man, that he could be pure? And he who is born of a woman, that he could be righteous?” (Job 15:14) Job 25:4: “How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?”

Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”

Genesis 8:21 declares, "…the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth.

In Psalm 14:2, 3 we read: “The Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Behold, He puts no trust in His holy ones, And the heavens are not pure in His sight; How much less one who is detestable and corrupt, Man, who drinks iniquity like water!" Job 15:16

Jeremiah 17:9 says that “the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it.”

But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He does not hear. (Isaiah 59:2)

There are a hundred other verse talking about the corrupt nature of humans.

Samuel Cohon, former professor of theology and liturgy at Hebrew Union College, explained the changing nature of Jewish views of sin in the early centuries:

About the time of the beginning of Christianity three main conceptions of sin struggled for recognition in Judaism. The first regarded corruption of the race as hereditary. The second vaguely asserted as connection between Adam’s sin and his posterity’s liability to punishment, without defining the exact nature of the connection. The third view considered all sin as the fruit of man’s own action.
None of those quotes are viewed as an indication of original sin. That is, they are not interperted by Jews as saying that we are born into sin. We freely admit that part of human nature is the inclination to do evil. But the creation sotry itself has Adam Sinning.
 
Orthodox Jews of today may not believe in the Christian concept of Original Sin, but it is surely found throughout the OT. If there was no Original Sin in the OT, God wouldn’t have had to destroy the whole world except for Noah and his family during the Great Flood. The Great Flood of the OT is sort of an analogy of the Christian baptism.
that may be your interpertation of the flood story. But it is an interpertation taken from theh perspective of an existing christian theology – a theology that did not exist at the time the story was recroded. The story of Noah does not have aything to do with original sin. If it did, what would be the purpose of saving Noah? Would he also not be born into sin?. WIcked nature and the concept of original sin do not seem to be the same things.
 
that may be your interpertation of the flood story. But it is an interpertation taken from theh perspective of an existing christian theology – a theology that did not exist at the time the story was recroded. The story of Noah does not have aything to do with original sin. If it did, what would be the purpose of saving Noah? Would he also not be born into sin?. WIcked nature and the concept of original sin do not seem to be the same things.
Well yes, the old testament foretold the new.
 
Question: If we have no sin of our own (like an infant) are we held responsible for the sin of Adam?

My understanding is that Baptism washes away guilt of original sin, so that we are only juddged of our own sin.
 
Valke2;1553966]None of those quotes are viewed as an indication of original sin. That is, they are not interperted by Jews as saying that we are born into sin. We freely admit that part of human nature is the inclination to do evil./
that’s exatly what Original Sin concept means.
But the creation sotry itself has Adam Sinning.
i didn’t understand this sentence sorry. Can you explain further?
 
Santaro, the question rather must be : if we are not born in original sin, why are we on earth instead of enjoying God’s presence like Adam before the fall?
 
that may be your interpertation of the flood story. But it is an interpertation taken from theh perspective of an existing christian theology – a theology that did not exist at the time the story was recroded. The story of Noah does not have aything to do with original sin. If it did, what would be the purpose of saving Noah? Would he also not be born into sin?. WIcked nature and the concept of original sin do not seem to be the same things.
i as well did not understand the link between Noah and Original sin concept :confused: Can you please clarify Semper Fi? thx.
 
But the creation sotry itself has Adam Sinning.
oh i got it : the creation story has Adam sinning. Yes but the creation story says as well about a consequence. You and I are living this consequence.

It’s like when you send a man into exile (Adam). When this man got children, he got them while still in exile. You and I are still in exile until we return back home into God’s presence.
 
No. we do not believe in original sin.
A question to our Jewish brethren:

I didnt think so. I also was wondering that given the time from Adams disobedience and the Commnon Era why wasnt this concept of “original sin” never come to the fore in judiasm?/???

Was it ever discussed or brought up in discussions?
 
The concept is in Judaism, it’s just not present under the title “Original Sin”, nor does it necessarily carry the same implications.
And yet, in another thread where I was talking with stillsmallvoice, he said the following…
Our Sages say that we’re still paying for the Golden Calf (& the sin of the spies) and that every ill that happens to every Jew everywhere is, in part, an installment payment for these two whopper national sins.
This may not be focussed on Adam nor Eve. But this most certainly does sound awefully familiar to me in the sense that future generations may bear the consequences of their past ancestors.

Indeed, if modern day Judaism still believes they are paying for the golden calf & the sin of the spies incident, and that every ill that happens to every Jew everywhere is, in part, an installment payment for these two whopper national sins, then what is one to think when confronted with the idea that our original parents sinned against God to his face?

In addition to this, it doesn’t appear as if the repurcussions of the golden calf & the sin of the spies incidents are only handed out to those who ‘deserve’ it-- because the innocent along with the guilty both seem to suffer the same consequences regardless of their status before God.

Furthermore, there most certainly are Jewish writings which do seem to think in terms of Adam and Eve’s sins dealing a terrible blow to their later ancestors.

These writings may not be considered authentic Jewish writings by the the standards of modern-day Rabbinical Judaism. But they are Jewish writings nonetheless.

In fact, both the Catholic and the Orthodox churches acknowledge some of these writings as being inspired by the Holy Spirit and considered Scriptural in nature.

Some are even in the Talmud.
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Ghosty:
In traditional Judaism, what Catholics call Original Sin is dealt with by the Yetzer hara (bad inclination) and the Yetzer hatov (good inclination). Some prominent rabbis taught that in Adam the two were balanced, allowing us to choose good or evil without internal interference, but after Adam’s sin the Yetzer hara came to have pre-eminence in Adam and his descendents.
Yes, exactly. Except for the death due to sin consequence, you almost can’t get a better definition of original sin for a Catholic.
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Ghosty:
This parallels the Latin Catholic teaching on Original Sin, that in Adam there were two appetites, the intellectual and the concupisciple, with the intellectual drawn to “higher” things such as God and ideas, and the lower drawn to the animal needs like hunger and also governing lower impulses. In sinning, in putting his lesser impulse over his higher, he became disordered and so did his descendents.
Bingo!
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Ghosty:
The aspect of Original Sin that deals with the absence of Grace is not present in Judaism so far as I know…
Except in the case of the golden calf & the sin of the spies incidents…apparently. :confused:
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Ghosty:
…but then the entire Catholic concept of Grace is absent from Judaism to my knowledge. Having a share in the Divine Life was not a teaching that was really possible before Jesus, so it’s not suprising that such a difference exists.
Then how were Enoch and Elijah translated?

Admittedly, I haven’t read anything about there encounters with God from a strictly Jewish perspective-- but they seem to have had some kind of share in the divine life even if they themselves were not divine.
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Ghosty:
Without a concept of the Divine taking on human flesh, there’s no way to really have the Catholic understanding of Grace (though certain Protestant conceptions would be compatible).
At this point here, I tend to agree with you in regards to the Incarnation of Christ.

However, there does appear to be some kinds of theophanies occuring in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Since the time of Rambam, these have traditionally shifted from the idea of a direct encounter with God to kind of revelation of God-- but there are Jewish Talmudic writing prior to Rambam which seemed to disagree sharply with this view.
Peace and God bless!
And Mary’s love, like the morning dew, be graciously lavished upon you through her Divine Son from On High. 🙂
 
Hi all!

How’s everything with USMC?

The second clause in your sentence is a matter of opinion. We respectfully beg to disagree,

Christianley, the link you gave is very good. This one outreachjudaism.org/original.htm is also helpful.

Not to be flip, but so?

What some Jews may have believed is, in this case, not indicative of what normative Judaism held, and holds. As others have noted, the Catholic notion of original sin is alien to Judaism, whatever notwithstanding.

Very good!

This jewfaq.org/human.htm#Yetzer is a good short piece on the Jewish concept of the yetzer hara.

Good night!

Be well!

ssv 👋
Always good to hear from you, brother 🙂

Interestingly enough, the concept of Yetzer Hara and Yetzer Hatov are integral to the New Testament, though many Christians don’t realize it because they aren’t familiar with Jewish concepts. Paul, however, was deeply steeped in Jewish concepts, and tried to impart them to his Gentile audience. He didn’t use the Hebrew terms, but he did relate the Hebrew concepts which have been handed down in Apostolic Christian teaching. The best example of this in terms of the “Two Yetzers” is Romans 8. Replace “flesh” with “Yetzer hara” and “spirit” with “Yetzer hatov”, and you have a very clear and simple explaination of the concept put into a Christian dynamic.

Peace and God bless!
 
Mr. Ex Nihilo: If there is a concept of Divine Grace in Judaism, as understood in Apostolic Christianity (Catholic and Orthodox) I’ve not encountered it in my studies. Doesn’t mean it’s not there, at least historically, just that most references I’ve come across have tended to focus on being in the “favor” of God in a more distant sense, for lack of a better word.

By this I mean that most Jewish writings, at least from the Rabbinical period on, deal with the favor of God as being a kind of patrimony and guidance from an external source (most especially in the form of the Torah), as opposed to the Apostolic understanding of it being both external and internal, both a Law and a sharing in the Divine Life. The Sacramental theology, which is based (in Apostolic Christianity) largely on the notion that God can truly assume Humanity, and that direct participation between God and humanity is very true and possible, allows for an understanding of Original Sin that goes beyond the purely “creaturely” deformity of good and bad inclinations; it opens up the idea that a person truly gains a “new life” in Baptism, for example, by having the Spirit of God living within them. This is quite different from the typical Orthodox Jewish understanding of overcoming our creaturely deformities by adhering to a Law given by God, a Law designed to curtail our more base desires and to encourage the higher impulses.

This, incidently, is precisely the idea that Paul rails against in his writings, the idea that humans can be ultimately perfected by the Law alone. He states, for example, that the Law encourages a stronger power of the flesh, which mirrors the famous account of some Jewish students telling a rabbi that they wished they had his Yetzer Hara, and him replying “G-d forbid!” because his Yetzer Hara was truly strong. The argument of the Apostles was that the real reason for our “disorder” is two-fold: first it’s part of our inherent nature of having two impulses, the flesh and the spirit, and secondly because after the Sin of Adam our human ancestors lost the Divine Life which provided the “extra oomph” of ordering our inherent nature, and after this state of loss they began procreating and thus passed on this “emptiness” to their descendents. With Christ the Divine Life re-enters the human sphere again, and is bestowed via the Sacraments, and ultimately after death and the Resurrection of the Dead.

In the Apostolic teaching, the Law can serve to tame the flesh, but it will also inflame it. Also, even if the flesh (Yetzer hara) is tamed, we are not truly at our final end, the Tree of Life, without Grace. We can be the best post-Adam human possible in strictly creaturely terms, but that doesn’t mean we’ve re-entered the Garden and eaten the Fruit of Life which only God can provide. Since the Apostolic idea of Grace is not simply about perfectly upholding the external Law, but includes the idea of literally living with a new kind of Life within, coming to Grace is beyond the purview of any list of precepts, even those of Divine origin. That is why I say that without the concept of Jesus as the Son of God, there isn’t really room in Judaism for the full Catholic understanding of Original Sin; in a sense (said without any insulting air) the Jewish view of “Original Sin” is less complete, or at least less complex.

If the Apostolic view has any parallels in Jewish thought, I honestly don’t know. I don’t rule it out, but I can easily see why it would not be the case without the revelation of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. If the focus is primarily on the Law and how it builds up humanity (as seems to be the case in the tradition of the Pharisees, from which Paul originated, and the case with much of Orthodox Judaism today which also originated with them) then the Catholic idea of Original Sin simply isn’t compatible, not for reasons of contradiction, but for the fact that the Jewish concept wouldn’t be so wide as to include such a nuanced view of Divine Grace. It wouldn’t suprise me to find out that this idea of Grace was present in Judaism, I don’t believe that Jesus and the Apostles came up with it out of nowhere (and even if it was a new revelation, I as a Catholic believe it to be Divine Revelation and not a human invention), but I’m unaware of the connections, and I’m not sure if they can be found given the relative dearth of records about non-Rabbinical Jewish history.

Just my thoughts!

May God’s Grace shine on you and in you, and may the prayers of the Saints help to guide you!
 
Just my thoughts!

May God’s Grace shine on you and in you, and may the prayers of the Saints help to guide you!
Thank you. 🙂

Excellent thoughts by the way.

But…what about the Holy Spirit?

Admittedly, as the article notes, Judaism as a whole does not have a developed pneumatology. In addition to this, most Jews consider the Holy Spirit to be a thoroughly Christian concept.
“The designation of the third person of the Trinity, the Holy Ghost, stems from a Hebrew figure of speech, the ruah hakodesh (“holy spirit”). In Jewish usage, however, this concept was never identified with a separate person, but with a Divine power which could fill men, as, for instance, the prophets.”
  • The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1943, 1969, see: “Trinity”, pp. 308. See also: Shekhinah
But, again, if most Jewish writings, at least from the Rabbinical period on, deal with the favor of God as being a kind of patrimony and guidance from an external source (most especially in the form of the Torah), as opposed to the Apostolic understanding of it being both external and internal, both a Law and a sharing in the Divine Life, then what of the Rabbinical thoughts on the Holy Spirit?

For example, Rabbinical thought starts with the Spirit as Spirit of Prophecy which ceases as such with Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi (Yoma 9b) and it is then recognized as charismatic inspiration and is promised to scholars. The Mishnah speaks of the spirit as something, which can be attained by man though different spiritual stages. Never in rabbinical texts is the Spirit considered as an entity separate from God, even though at times it is used as synonymous with God and inter-changeable with Shekinah (majesty of God present among men and in nature; immanence).
-*Mishnah, Sota *9,15

R. Pinehas ben Jair said: Diligence leads to innocence; innocence leads to chastity; chastity leads to abstinence; abstinence leads to purity; purity leads to humility; humility leads to fear of sin; fear of sin leads to piety; piety leads to the holy spirit (ruah haquadesh) and the Holy Spirit renders us worthy of the resurrection of the dead, which will come about by means of Eliah
Hebrew philosophy likens the Spirit to the rabbinical Shekinah (Filone), to the Glory of God (Jehudah HaLevi); while Maimonide describes it as the inspiration of the divine Intellect (emanated by God upon prophets) and Nahmanide, regarding Gn 2,7 stresses “It is the spirit of the great name from whose mouth comes knowledge and intelligence”. (Perushe hatorah 1,33).
  • Talmud, Pesahim 117a
The title For David a Psalm teaches us that David began to recite the psalm and immediately the divine Presence was laid upon him. This proves that the divine Presence does not manifest itself when we indulge in sadness or frivolity or useless words, but only thanks to joy experienced when we fulfil a commandment as it is said in 2 Kings 3,15 “And as the musician played, the hand of the Lord (that is the prophetic spirit) was laid upon him”.
Admittedly, these all seem to be external motions of the Spirit-- the Spirit seems to rest upon them rather than fill them. But, nonethless, it doesn’t seem impossible to envision one being filled with the Holy Spirit to do God’s will even if Judaism doesn’t observe the Holy Spirit as God within a Christian sense. 🙂
 
The concept is in Judaism, it’s just not present under the title “Original Sin”, nor does it necessarily carry the same implications.

In traditional Judaism, what Catholics call Original Sin is dealt with by the Yetzer hara (bad inclination) and the Yetzer hatov (good inclination). Some prominent rabbis taught that in Adam the two were balanced, allowing us to choose good or evil without internal interference, but after Adam’s sin the Yetzer hara came to have pre-eminence in Adam and his descendents.

This parallels the Latin Catholic teaching on Original Sin, that in Adam there were two appetites, the intellectual and the concupisciple, with the intellectual drawn to “higher” things such as God and ideas, and the lower drawn to the animal needs like hunger and also governing lower impulses. In sinning, in putting his lesser impulse over his higher, he became disordered and so did his descendents.

The aspect of Original Sin that deals with the absence of Grace is not present in Judaism so far as I know, but then the entire Catholic concept of Grace is absent from Judaism to my knowledge. Having a share in the Divine Life was not a teaching that was really possible before Jesus, so it’s not suprising that such a difference exists. Without a concept of the Divine taking on human flesh, there’s no way to really have the Catholic understanding of Grace (though certain Protestant conceptions would be compatible).

Peace and God bless!
Jews believe that we are not born naturally good or naturally bad. They have both a good and a bad inclination in them, but they have the free moral will to choose the good and this free moral will can be more powerful than the evil inclination. Indeed, Jewish ethics requires the idea that humans decide for themselves how to act. This is so because temptation, and with it the possibility of sin, allows people to choose good and thus have moral merit. The Jewish view is not that humans are helpless in the face of moral error.

We do not believe that an act of God’s grace is necessary. However, we certainly do have a concept of Grace embedded in our religion.
 
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