Do Jews Believe In Original Sin?

[christianley]

Do Jews believe in original sin?

Even Eastern Othodoxy doesn’t accept the teaching of original sin as taught by Augustine. Here is a good article on that:

stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/2004-hughes-sin.php

I lean towards the Eastern Orthodox view on this matter.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

What are all the aspects or pentalities of orginal sin?

off the top of my head,

seperation from God

Physical Death

Subject to prince of this world, devil

Any others? anyone?

 

[StMarkEofE]

Even Eastern Othodoxy doesn’t accept the teaching of original sin as taught by Augustine. Here is a good article on that:

stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/2004-hughes-sin.php

I lean towards the Eastern Orthodox view on this matter.

Using common logic here in that the theological scholarship of the rabbis and priests of the OT was at such a point that if Original Sin, as Blessed Augustine believed in, if it did exist would have been at least discussed and argued within the context of Jewish thought and been a subject at Synogogue. So if Original Sin was always there why didnt the Jewish scholars even note it lest debate it in the times prior to the Incarnation?

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Interestingly enough, the concept of Yetzer Hara and Yetzer Hatov are integral to the New Testament, though many Christians don’t realize it because they aren’t familiar with Jewish concepts. Paul, however, was deeply steeped in Jewish concepts, and tried to impart them to his Gentile audience. He didn’t use the Hebrew terms, but he did relate the Hebrew concepts which have been handed down in Apostolic Christian teaching. The best example of this in terms of the “Two Yetzers” is Romans 8. Replace “flesh” with “Yetzer hara” and “spirit” with “Yetzer hatov”, and you have a very clear and simple explaination of the concept put into a Christian dynamic.

Thank you for that insight. I never noticed that before.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Yetzer hatov of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.

For God has done what the law, weakened by the Yetzer hara, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful Yetzer hara and for sin, he condemned sin in the Yetzer hara, in order that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the Yetzer hara but according to the Yetzer hatov.

For those who live according to the Yetzer hara set their minds on the things of the Yetzer hara, but those who live according to the Yetzer hatov set their minds on the things of the Yetzer hatov. To set the mind on the Yetzer hara is death, but to set the mind on the Yetzer hatov is life and peace.

For the mind that is set on the Yetzer hara is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, indeed it cannot; and those who are in the Yetzer hara cannot please God.

But you are not in the Yetzer hara, you are in the Yetzer hatov, if in fact the Yetzer hatov of God dwells in you. Any one who does not have the Yetzer hatov of Christ does not belong to him.

But if Christ is in you, although your bodies are dead because of sin, your Yetzer hatov are alive because of righteousness.

If the Yetzer hatov of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his Yetzer hatov which dwells in you

So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the Yetzer hara, to live according to the flesh – for if you live according to the Yetzer hara you will die, but if by the Yetzer hatov you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.

For all who are led by the Yetzer hatov of God are sons of God.

For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Yetzer hatov of sonship. When we cry, “Abba! Father!” : it is the Yetzer hatov himself bearing witness with our Yetzer hatov that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him…

Provided I’ve placed the phrases in correctly (I think I’ve accidentally placed Yetzer hatov in place of the Holy Spirit by accident a few times), I’ve nonetheless found this passage to be very insightful on new level. A kind of renewal has occured to me when re-reading this passage using this terminology.

Peace and God bless!

Thank you again.

 

[nathann]

nop.Islam as well, Check the sound Ahadith if you don’t believe it , i can figure out why, but it\s there in Ahadith .

 

[THEKING]

THEKING;1551769:

In Islam there is no such “Original Sin” concept of Paul’s Christianity.

You seem a most ignorant person about Islam.

In Islam there is no room for such nonsensical idea of Original sin when Prophet Adam -pbuh- was already forgiven by God Almighty when he (Prophet Adam-pbuh) repented sincerely.

you can say this to those who wrote the ahadith, not to me am afraid.if Uthman Bin Affan’s followers don’t believe in it, it doesn’t mean it’s not there is ahadith.

 

[christianley]

Using common logic here in that the theological scholarship of the rabbis and priests of the OT was at such a point that if Original Sin, as Blessed Augustine believed in, if it did exist would have been at least discussed and argued within the context of Jewish thought and been a subject at Synogogue. So if Original Sin was always there why didnt the Jewish scholars even note it lest debate it in the times prior to the Incarnation?

I thought this quote from the article was especially important:

“As we have seen, for the early Church Fathers and the Orthodox Church the Atonement is much more than a divine exercise in jurisprudence; it is the event of the life, death and resurrection of the Son of God that sets us free from the Ancestral Sin and its effects. Our slavery to death, sin, corruption and the devil are destroyed through the Cross and Resurrection and our hopeless adventure in autonomy is revealed to be what it is: a dead end. Salvation is much more than a verdict from above; it is an endless process of transformation from autonomy to communion, a gradual ascent from glory to glory as we take up once again our original vocation now fulfilled in Christ. The way to the Tree of Life at long last revealed to be the Cross is reopened and its fruit, the Body and Blood of God, offered to all. The goal is far greater than a change in behavior; we are meant to become divine.”

I am more and more convinced that Augustine blew it in his interpretation of original sin.

 

[Valke2]

Just letting you know I wrote a nice long reply that for some reason is not posted. Maybe I violated one of the rules. ANyway, it was very interesting and well thought out. I think it would have settled everything.