Do Jews need to covert to be saved?

[HashemEchad]

Not according to the New Testament.
Luke 21:8 " Take care not to be mislead. Many will come in my name saying, “I am he” and " the time is at hand" Do not follow them.

Matthew 24:24 “False messiahs and false prophets will appear, performing signs and wonders so great as to mislead even the chosen if that were possible”

Jews felt the same way when Jesus arrived on the scene. Most Jews compared his coming, and his doings, with Deut. 13, and acted accordingly.

 

[DustinsDad]

All I can tell you is, for JEWS, keeping Torah is THE TRUTH. It is the only truth God allows for us.

So then you answer is that there is no absolute truth? It is relative to the individual what truth is?

The Rambam says that the reason why God allowed both Islam and Christianity to develop was so as to give Gentiles a way to believe in ethical monotheism without needing to become Jews.

But how can it be ethical to worship Jesus - unless He is who He said He is? He is either a mere man, or God Incarnate. And if He is mere man, than to worship Him is idolatry is it not?

Now earlier you said, for Christians to have a place “in the world to come” they need to keep certain laws, including laws against idolatry. Therefore, in your theology, wouldn’t Christians have to forsake Christianity?

I’m just trying to follow logically all of what you are saying here.

Now, when the true Messiah does come, not only Jews but also Gentiles will be fully prepared for his coming, because NOW, even Gentiles know what the messiah concept is all about, and there will be no surprises!

Unless of course the Messiah already came. And He either did or He didn’t. He couldn’t have come for me and not come for you - this is where we get down to the importance of Truth.

Tell me, what is your understanding of the concept of the Messiah?

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[Valke2]

kesser.org/moshiach/rambam.html#SIE

1. If a king will arise from the House of David who delves deeply into the study of the Torah and, like David his ancestor, observes its mitzvos as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law; if he will compel all of Israel to walk in [the way of the Torah] and repair the breaches [in its observance]; and if he will fight the wars of G-d; - we may, with assurance, consider him Moshiach.

If he succeeds in the above, builds the [Beis Ha]Mikdash on its site, and gathers in the dispersed remnant of Israel, he is definitely the Moshiach.

He will then perfect the entire world, [motivating all the nations] to serve G-d together, as it is written [Zephaniah, 3:9], “I will make the peoples pure of speech so that they will all call upon the Name of G-d and serve Him with one purpose.”

 

[DustinsDad]

kesser.org/moshiach/rambam.html#SIE

1. If a king will arise from the House of David who delves deeply into the study of the Torah and, like David his ancestor, observes its mitzvos as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law; if he will compel all of Israel to walk in [the way of the Torah] and repair the breaches [in its observance]; and if he will fight the wars of G-d; - we may, with assurance, consider him Moshiach.

So what’s stopping you?

If he succeeds in the above, builds the [Beis Ha]Mikdash on its site, and gathers in the dispersed remnant of Israel, he is definitely the Moshiach.

So the animal sacrifices must be restored?

And is this not what I mentioned earlier - that you are seeking an earthly kingdom, a carnal messiah?

Is this “world to come” HashemEchad spoke of actually this world? Is it heaven?

He will then perfect the entire world, [motivating all the nations] to serve G-d together, as it is written [Zephaniah, 3:9], “I will make the peoples pure of speech so that they will all call upon the Name of G-d and serve Him with one purpose.”

Already began with the establishment of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church - it will be perfected eternally at the end of time - Judgement Day.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad