Do Jews still claim descent from the tweleve tribes of Israel?

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In the Bible,Moses organizes everyone according to the twelve tribes there descended from on there journey to the Promised land and in the book of Revealations it explains how everyone of the tribes will like get there Mansion and it describes the decorations such as precious stones on the mansions.I’m really curious but do Jews of any “groups” (I’m saying this because I’m not sure if I should say sect or denomination) weather Conservative,Reform,Hasidic or another claim descent from the twelve tribes of Israel?.Thank you very much so for your time.
 
Short Answer: YES

Medium range answer: There is acceptance that Levi (and the priestly class of Cohanim that descended from Aaron) survive to this day. If one is not a priest/cohen, or a Levi , than it is assumed that one comes from Israel. Because the last tribe that held its land was Judah, and King David was from Judah, it’s also assumed that in order for King David’s descendent (the messiah) to arrive, there must be descendents from the tribe of Judah.

Long range theory: In the book of Joshua, God ordered the establishment of the cities of refuge (Quiriat Arba, Shechem, Ramot, Bezer and I forgot the others). These cities allowed individuals to seek refuge from a “blood avenger” (a relative seeking to avenge the death of a family member) if guilty of an unintientional or non-premeditated killing. I’ve heard more than one Rabbi theorize that one way all 12 tribes could have survived was through the individuals in the cities of refuge.

I think its a matter of faith, and I would have to say that most Jews claim descent from the 12 tribes.
 
In Genesis, Jacob, also known as Israel, gathered his twelve sons on his deathbed to let them know what was to happen to them. Here the tribes of Israel were born.

However all tribes disappeared except for the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Jews believe they are descendant from these 3 tribes located in the kingdom of Judah.

Hope this helps.
 
Generally speaking they claim descent from Judah (where the word “Jew” comes from) Benjamin, and Levi. Although there have been a number of notable large scale conversions to Judaism (Kazars and Idumea).
 
Modern Jews who are not converts claim descent from their Jewish mother.
 
“Khazars, Edomites and Esau.”

Favourite themes of the ‘Christian Identity’ guys.
 
Kaninchen said:
“Khazars, Edomites and Esau.”

Favourite themes of the ‘Christian Identity’ guys.
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I assume this is directed at me, I also assume you somehow missed the part where I said Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Of course I know you have the habit of trying to paint anyone who doesn’t say “Judaism is the bestest!” as a racist, so I shouldn’t expect much else.
 
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I assume this is directed at me, I also assume you somehow missed the part where I said Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Of course I know you have the habit of trying to paint anyone who doesn’t say “Judaism is the bestest!” as a racist, so I shouldn’t expect much else.
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Really? Perhaps you’ll point out when I’ve done so?

Here, I’ve merely pointed out that your usage had a certain familiarity.
 
Are all 12 tribes reunited now? I just read something about this about one just returning after 2700 years? From Ethiopia I believe?
 
according to traditional sects,Jewish identity comes from the mother (outside of conversion) . Tribal membership comes from the father. There are occasions when a family tradition holds membership in a particular tribe… I knew of a few families who claimed membership in Judah. However , for the majority who fo not know exactly which tribe, there is no assumption beyond Israel. This is only relavant during certain ritual (prayer or during the reading of the Torah ) honors.
 
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Are all 12 tribes reunited now? I just read something about this about one just returning after 2700 years? From Ethiopia I believe?
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Yeah, An Ethiopian tribe claiming to be Dan that practiced what was essentially Judaism was brought to Israel under the law of return.

So that no one takes offense, I say “claiming” simply because I haven’t bothered to do the research into it, although as I recall DNA did show a probability of a shared ancestry with the Jews, although I imagine it would be impossible to prove specifically that they are from Dan.
 
Kaninchen said:
Really? Perhaps you’ll point out when I’ve done so?

Here, I’ve merely pointed out that your usage had a certain familiarity.
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By merely pointed out you mean you tried to not so subtly suggest I was a neo-nazi because when someone asked about Jewish decent I listed the two well known major national conversions as well as the three traditional tribes? You know Esau was a son of Abraham too, right?

Unfortunetly I haven’t kept track of all your posts, I just know that when there are accusations of anti-semitism, you’re usually the one posting it.
 
Nine_Two said:
By merely pointed out you mean you tried to not so subtly suggest I was a neo-nazi because when someone asked about Jewish decent I listed the two well known major national conversions as well as the three traditional tribes? You know Esau was a son of Abraham too, right?

Unfortunetly I haven’t kept track of all your posts, I just know that when there are accusations of anti-semitism, you’re usually the one posting it.
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Then your reading skills need a great deal of work indeed.
 
Nine_Two said:
Yeah, An Ethiopian tribe claiming to be Dan that practiced what was essentially Judaism was brought to Israel under the law of return.

So that no one takes offense, I say “claiming” simply because I haven’t bothered to do the research into it, although as I recall DNA did show a probability of a shared ancestry with the Jews, although I imagine it would be impossible to prove specifically that they are from Dan.
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Thanks, yes, thats what I remember reading. No I haven’t looked deeply into into it either. An article in referrence to your post did catch my attention awhile back though. 🙂
 
sidetrack said:
In the Bible,Moses organizes everyone according to the twelve tribes there descended from on there journey to the Promised land and in the book of Revealations it explains how everyone of the tribes will like get there Mansion and it describes the decorations such as precious stones on the mansions.I’m really curious but do Jews of any “groups” (I’m saying this because I’m not sure if I should say sect or denomination) weather Conservative,Reform,Hasidic or another claim descent from the twelve tribes of Israel?.Thank you very much so for your time.
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I think you are missing the point with this question. While the twelve tribes of Israel are descended from the twelve sons of Jacob (Israel). It was never meant by God that it should stay an exclusive ethnic club. The Jews were God’s chosen people, but the real question is “What were they chosen for?” And the answer is quite simply to bring the good news of the gospel to the world. This they failed to do. They got caught up in this idea of the exclusivity of their chosenness. This was never God’s intention, as brought out in Rom.9
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The children of the promise are counted for the seed. Abraham and Sarah were able to bear a son past the age of childbearing because they had faith in God’s promise. We become children of God (are reborn) through our faith in Jesus Christ. The promised redeemer Gen3:15. So being “of Israel” has nothing to do with ethnicity and everything to do with faith in Jesus Christ.
 
Kaninchen said:
Then your reading skills need a great deal of work indeed.
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Why is that? So I can remember when you’ve used the anti-semite argument before? Because that’s memory, not reading skills.

There was a thread recently about an Austrian politician a few months ago, you were throwing around the nazi accusation there, but refused to qualify how it worked. Instead you hijacked the strand into a discussion on the proper use of the genitive form of “Bavaria” in English (note: You were wrong on that too.)
 
Since according to the Jews the messiah has not yet come, is there an identifable group from the line of David from which the messiah should come?
 
Nine_Two said:
Why is that? So I can remember when you’ve used the anti-semite argument before? Because that’s memory, not reading skills.

There was a thread recently about an Austrian politician a few months ago, you were throwing around the nazi accusation there, but refused to qualify how it worked. Instead you hijacked the strand into a discussion on the proper use of the genitive form of “Bavaria” in English (note: You were wrong on that too.)
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Nope.

As I remember my comment was something to the effect of ‘Europeans being wary of Austrian politicians’ - which is something that a whole range of Europeans of various religions and national backgrounds might have said. It was a joke but I forgot to expect that certain posters are always on the look out for such things when said by a Jew.

Actually, I think most posters would find that I’m rather more careful about what I say and when I say it than a few posters would wish me to be.

Unless you can come up with a more sensible example to talk about, I think we probably both aware that it’s unlikely that conversations between us are going to be productive and I might suggest that ignoring one another might be a good idea.
 
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