Do Jews worship the Devil?

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GerardPaul:
A devout Catholic friend at work said that because the Jewish authorities and for the most part all Jews reject Jesus as the Christ they worship a different god. Jesus told the Jews of his day when you reject me “you are sons of your father the devil”. He said now that Jesus tells the world that He is God if you don’t believe in Him you worship another god. He also said Protestants also worship another god because Jesus said “He is the Bread of Life eat this bread and you will have life in you”, and this is another way He has told us who He is and if you don’t believe you worship another god.

Jeffrey
I can see somebody needs to read his catechism and scripture with a little more intent on gaining some insight.

Hum, Jesus was a Jew!
The Jews were Gods chosen people!
Jesus adored the same God the Jews did (God the Father)!
There is only one God and the Jews have, do, and will continue to adore Him!
If I believe in the United States but fail to know the name of every state does that mean I believe in a different USA then what somebody who knows the name of all 50 states believes in? Same with God?

Send somebody back to CCD, he needs it. Oh yeah, and a good apologetics class too.😉
 
The only thing close to what the OP said that is true is that all through the OT the Jews had many Idols.

Why they kept going back to Idols in the OT has always bothered me.
 
Louis Mazar:
Yes the Jews worship the Devil. Anybody who is not a Christian is in reality worshipping the Devil because Christianity is the only True Religion around.
Sadly, I am going to guess that you have never been to a synagouge and orthodox Shabbat. If you ever did and concluded that the Shabbat was a satanic ritual, I would be very concerned to hear your appraisal of the Mass. :nope: Thanks and God Bless.
 
Catholic Dude:
The only thing close to what the OP said that is true is that all through the OT the Jews had many Idols.

Why they kept going back to Idols in the OT has always bothered me.
Just like so many today go back to idols and abandoned the Faith. Money, sex, work, and pride are just a few examples. Many progressed from worshipping physical idol statues to themself on the dias of Pride. May God grant us the Grace to Love through Mercy and Justice the true Faith.
 
Catholic Dude:
The only thing close to what the OP said that is true is that all through the OT the Jews had many Idols.

Why they kept going back to Idols in the OT has always bothered me.

Why do people rely on lucky rabbit’s feet or on other “lucky” objects ?​

After the preservation of Jerusalem from Sennacherib, there came to be a popular “dogma” that Zion was inviolable: JHWH had chosen Zion for His house to be built there, He “owed it to” Himself not to let His House be sacked, He had made an unbreakable covenant with David. So, no matter what happened, Jerusalem would never be sacked, there would always be a king of David’s line to reign in Jerusalem, Judah would always be safe.

This is what Jeremiah was up against, especially in the last years of the kingdom. He did not agree with this easy optimism, because it ignored the righteousness of God, and the moral duties which flowed from this. It was, in fact, superstitious. He had a very difficult time, because he also had to answer to those who worshipped the “queen of heaven” (possibly a goddess thought of as a consort of JHWH ?) - why she was worshipped, can be found from Jer. 7 & 44.

In Israel & Judah’s own setting, there are several reasons for “idolatry”:

Judah before the Exile - in about 650 or so - was under Assyrian overlordship: this seems to be why Manasseh of Judah introduced a new altar into the Temple: that was one example of alien religion.

Again, marriages with foreign princesses meant that their gods were imported - they had chapels of their own (the Solomonic Temple was essentially a royal chapel): Solomon & Ahab both did this.

The idol Nehushtan burnt by Hezekiah was probably worshipped as in some sense a representative of JHWH: it had not begun as an idol.

The Baalim were difficult to get the better of, because they could easily be regarded as manifestations of JHWH, who was in many respects the same sort of god as “Baal” (which is a title, not a proper name - it probably refers to the Canaanite god of fertility & rain, who is well-known from extra-Biblical texts)

Ethical monotheism (the adjective is of great importance) is clearly witnessed to by Second Isaiah after 538 or so - the earlier texts point to various stages in Israel’s notion of God: and these are important both for their own sake and because they give us a setting for the various reactions to those worships of gods which were regarded as defective by the Biblical writers. The problem with the OT texts is that they are one-sided: which is fine for the moralist and preacher, but not quite so helpful for the student of ancient religions - so we have only one set of impressions about non-Israelite worships: if there were redeeming features in them, we don’t find them in the Bible, but have to use evidence from outside it.

If we want more information about Baal - about what worship of him involved, or what gods were honoured with him, say - then the extra-Biblical evidence will give some of the answers that the OT, which is after all not intended to be an impartial survey of religion in the Ancient Near East, does not attempt or profess to give. The OT authors were not interested in (say) Canaanite or Assyrian religion - except in so far as these affected their own loyalty to Israel’s God. Just as Christian writers don’t tell us that various Baals came to be worshipped in Imperial Rome - that is discovered from other sorts of evidence: Christian writers of the two hundreds were not historians of Imperial or Roman religion, any more than their Jewish forebears were historians of ANE religion ##
 
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GerardPaul:
My friend said that Church teaching befor Vatican II and John Paul II say otherwise.

Jeffrey
That doesn’t make sense it was either before Pope John Paul II or it was before Vatican II. It would have to be before one or the other. In any event, both ideas are wrong. The God that Jewish people worship is the same God who sent us Jesus. The Catholic Church has never promoted this devil-worshipping nonsense*.*
 
Your “devout” Catholic friend is going astray from Catholic teaching. I would refer him to the necessary official information, and tell him that if he continues this mindset he is going against Catholic teaching.

I would be watchful for signs of mental illness. I’m serious. If he seems to be obsessive about these ideas and it is causing a bad affect on his life, or if there are other signs, he might need a little help.
 
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slinky1882:
Just like so many today go back to idols and abandoned the Faith. Money, sex, work, and pride are just a few examples. Many progressed from worshipping physical idol statues to themself on the dias of Pride. May God grant us the Grace to Love through Mercy and Justice the true Faith.
I as about to write this but read your post first, you beat me to it. I agree.
 
Louis Mazar:
Yes the Jews worship the Devil. Anybody who is not a Christian is in reality worshipping the Devil because Christianity is the only True Religion around.
Where do think us Christians got the old testament from? I mean who lived there in those days? The JEWS! Not Christians! The ten commandments and all are still in effect today even though they were fully explained by Jesus Christ in the commandments 1.Love The Lord your God with all your mind,body soul, heart etc and 2. Love one another as I have loved you…
So technically , How could Jews worship the devil when part of our religion(christian) is from them? That would make us devil worshippers! :eek:
Podo
 
Podo2004,

But the Jews deny the Deity of Christ and so if they are not worshipping Christ then they are in reality worshipping the devil.
 
First off, there is no way that Jews worship the Devil (Satan). Our entire faith stems from Judaism, and Orthodox Judaism today is quite simply the Rabbinical (read: non-Temple) aspect of Judaism preserved since before the time of Christ.

In fact, I think it could be argued that not only are Jews of the same basic faith, but that they are more properly understood as Schismatic rather than Heretical. This might be a leap of logic for some, but hear me out. Jesus was what we would call an Orthodox Jew, and so were the Apostles. Jesus, being the Messiah, brought Orthodox Judaism into the Messianic Age, and those Jews who did not recognize this development continued as they always had (and continue to do so today). They did not develop any novel doctrines, or any views of God that were incorrect, they merely held to an older, incomplete understanding of the Faith. Since the Church IS the continuation of that same Faith into the Messianic Age, the Orthodox Jews today simply represent a “split”, a schism, and rightly held to what they understood before the split. How is this very different from the Orthodox Christians?

If you were to trace your Catholic faith back, you’d find that it pre-dates Jesus by quite a lot. This is why we have the Tanahk as our holy books. The Orthodox Jews today worship in complete accord with the Tanahk, our holy books as well, with no deviation or twisting and no heretical doctrines. They worship as Jesus and the Apostles did, albeit with the understood absence of the Temple element; they practice the SAME faith as God did when He walked on Earth!

Are they missing crucial elements? Absolutely, and I believe that it is the complete Covenant found within the Catholic Church that saves. Orthodox Jews are not properly heretics, however, because they do not introduce novel and contrary ideas into the Faith. Any thoughts on this matter?
 
****Historically Christianity both Roman Catholic and Protestant as well as other Catholic traditions all stem from Juedism. Were it not for Paul Christianity today would most likely be quite Jewish. Jesus was born a Jew he was raised a Jew and he died on the cross a Jew. Our Hebrew brothers and sisters worship the God of Abraham, we Christians worship the God of Abraham and in fact our Moslem brothers and sisters worship the God of Abraham. We all worship the same God we just have some differences in some case serious differences about the nature of God and who Jesus the Christ is. I am a member of the Episcopal Church . . . well for the time being I am. Now when I am asked what my faith is I generally answer Christian, Orthodox Anglican Catholic. In my tradition we believe in the Virgin birth, the divinity of Christ, The Sacrifice of Jesus the Christ on the Cross for the sins of the world, the Resurrection and the Ascension. We believe that will come again in glory to judge the quick and dead. We belive that in the celebration of the Eucharist the bread and wine are the actual factual body and blood of Christ and that we make actual and factual physical contact with the Risen Lord. In fact generally speaking what we believe about the nature of Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit is about as Catholic as you can get. We differ from Roman Catholicism on some issues I personally consider to be really fairly small. I support female ordination because I think Christ ordained Mary in the Garden that first Easter Morning. I pray the Pope is infalliable but I also know that no matter how good a man he is he is a man and as a man is prone to at least occasionally error. That said I believe that God speaks through the Pope and that the only potential for error is in the conveyance of what God said and our understanding of God’s intent. Pope John Paul II for instance corrected the errors made by his predicessor with regard to Galileo. I pray the Lord will not permit the Pope to make serious errors but I also trust God to turn any errors made to good such as the crucifixion of his son our Lord Jesus Christ. What a horrible way to die and what a glorious resurrection and ascension. God regularly takes our mistakes and turns them around to His Glory. Do Jews worsh the devil? No they don’t. They don’t worship God in the fullness of God revealed in Christ but one day I pray that short comming will be cured. Do Protestants worship the devil no they don’t they worship the same God as all Christians worship.

Peace be with you,

of Christ
 
I wanted to add that persecution of the Jewish is persecution of Christians. Juedism is the Mother religon of Christianity and also of Islam. Our Jewish and Moslem brothers and sisters only missed out on the full understanding of who Jesus Christ was and is. The Moslems also had a problem understanding how we could worship God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost to them that seemed like we believe in three Gods not one. The unity of the Holy Trinity three in one one in three seems counter intuitive. I have difficulty explaining it and I believe it. In fact I think we frequently get into trouble when we insist on explaining some things like how the wine and bread are actually factually the body and blood of Christ. Its possible I suppose that transmutation is the right explaination of how that is done but I really don’t think its that important to explain it I just have to accept it and I will let God solve that problem. IF God thinks its that important for me to know how its done I figure He’ll let me in on how it works.

On transfiguration day I suspect that we may be more than a little surprised and maybe dismayed at who does and who does not make the cut. Christ said, “My fathers mansion has many rooms”. I wonder what that means for real but I hope it means that just as our political parties like to describe themselves as being big tents with room for if not all then room for most anyway; God’s mansion may have rooms for all flavors of believers . . . Maybe, maybe not. Again that’s Gods problem and we should let Him work it out. It will be interesting to see how it it works out . . . I think.
 
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