Do LDS openly acknowledge that their religion teaches the belief of multiple gods?

[joann1957]

**They use Christian terms like born again, saved, trinity, Father God, etc., however, the meanings they put on these Christian terms are entirely different

. The Mormon message supposedly was given to them by the angel Moroni. The apostle Paul warned about angels with false doctrine in Galatians 1:8, 9, “If an angel from heaven proclaims any other gospel than the one you received let him be cursed by God”.

Mormons have said that Jesus married both Mary and Martha and had children
LDS teaches a limited atonement; Brigham Young said “the blood of Jesus was ineffective for the cleansing of some sins. Those that believe it will lose their salvation”

The Latter Day Saints idea of needing God’s grace is that grace is needed so we may have power to progress and become like God. All Mormons must strive for perfection, sanctification and god hood
Mormons believe that the family unit will endure unto eternity and some go through baptism rituals in the temple to save unbaptised dead.

They say when Jesus returns that the Mormons will be gathered together in new Jerusalem in Missouri before the judgment
The Latter Day Saints have three heavens - one for the heathen, one for the Christians and one for good Mormons. When Mormons progress enough to be gods they will get a planet of their own to rule

The Mormons have added to the word of God by adding to the canon their Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon. The books have contradictions with each other and with the Bible
There is no archeological evidence to support the claims of the book of Mormon and there is much to refute it
The book of Mormon shows lack of knowledge about world history
The book of Mormon contains words that were not in existence at the time it was said to have been written (500 - 600 BC) - words such as Church, Christ, BIBLE etc.

Is this all false about the Mormons,if it is then enlighten me.

Jo ann**

 

[Stephen168]

Mormonism isnt traditional Christianity as we all can agree to. So its comes off as very odd to those who use the traditional prism of Christianity. For them Mormonism makes no sense.

Mormons see their faith thru the prism of non-traditional Christianity so it’s not odd to them at all. For them it makes complete sense.

I understand we all have our prism but it seems to me Catholics try much, much harder to help others understand us. Sometimes, it has takes pages of a thread to get a simple yes or no answer from a Mormon about what they believe. Maybe you can help with my understanding and problem with Mormon baptism?

Mormon baptism is for the forgiveness of sin and entrance into the covenant.
They reject infant baptism because the person being baptized must be willing.
They baptize for the dead, so people can enter the covenant.
BUT
Just like an infant, the dead person is baptized against their will. The human soul is being baptized without permission of that soul. The infant soul and the dead person’s soul have to later accept the covenant of Christ. How is that different from infant baptism? Where in the after life would a person’s soul be to not know God, and it still be possible to reject him?

 

[Marie5890]

I understand we all have our prism but it seems to me Catholics try much, much harder to help others understand us. Sometimes, it has takes pages of a thread to get a simple yes or no answer from a Mormon about what they believe. Maybe you can help with my understanding and problem with Mormon baptism?

Mormon baptism is for the forgiveness of sin and entrance into the covenant.
They reject infant baptism because the person being baptized must be willing.
They baptize for the dead, so people can enter the covenant.
BUT
Just like an infant, the dead person is baptized against their will. The human soul is being baptized without permission of that soul. The infant soul and the dead person’s soul have to later accept the covenant of Christ. How is that different from infant baptism? Where in the after life would a person’s soul be to not know God, and it still be possible to reject him?

Stephen…What an insightful question you ask !!!

And I admit it’s something I never considered when I was LDS…

When you think about it they are indeed very similar…

In LDS dogma the dead are baptised by proxy and they then can accept or reject that baptism as they so chose…

Infant baptism…Babies are baptized and can reject that baptism as they grow older…

I have no real answer other than to say you have an insighfful comparison that I never considered when I was LDS…

BRAVO for your critical thinking skills!!!

Looks like there really isnt any difference…Both “baptism of the dead” and infant baptism have the element of not having the will of the individual as part of the process…

(by way of info…I was 15 when I joined the LDS church…I do come from a Catholic background and was baptized Catholic as an infant)

Keep up those critical thinking skills!!

 

[Marie5890]

They reject infant baptism because the person being baptized must be willing.

I must add…what I was taught when LDS it was more about being at the age of “accountablity”. IE being able to understand right from wrong.

Little children dont have the abililty to understand right from wrong and Mormons believe that is necessary to be baptised.

There really are different prisms that people look thru…

Mormons, thru their prism, find the idea of baptism of infants, the Trinity, the idea of eternal life being about praising God, etc etc…very odd…

Trust me…I have looked thru BOTH prisms…and they are different…Dont let anyone tell you any different…They ARE very different ways of considering the nature of God and our place very very different…

Mormonism is a very different way of looking at things…spiritually speaking…

No getting around that reality

 

[why_me]

Mormon baptism is for the forgiveness of sin and entrance into the covenant.
They reject infant baptism because the person being baptized must be willing.
They baptize for the dead, so people can enter the covenant.
BUT

Mormons reject infant baptism because infants have not reached the age of accountability. For mormons, the age of 8 is the age for accountability. It has nothing to do with being willing since at the age of eight most kids would not challenge their parents.

People are baptized for the dead so that those dead can reject or accept the true gospel of christ.

 

[why_me]

I must add…what I was taught when LDS it was more about being at the age of “accountablity”. IE being able to understand right from wrong.

Little children dont have the abililty to understand right from wrong and Mormons believe that is necessary to be baptised.

No getting around that reality

Eight years old the children are still little but they now possess a reasoning capibility. Also, mormons bless infants and this is usually done by the father during sacrament meeting where the child receives his or her name.

 

[Marie5890]

Mormons reject infant baptism because infants have not reached the age of accountability. For mormons, the age of 8 is the age for accountability. It has nothing to do with being willing since at the age of eight most kids would not challenge their parents.

People are baptized for the dead so that those dead can reject or accept the true gospel of christ.

Agreed. For Mormons being baptized at the age of 8 is about accountability.

For other Christians it has to do with becoming a member of the family of God and the wiping out of original sin (again another thing Mormons find odd about traditional Christianity…they reject the idea of original sin) and having His grace poured out on the baby

 

[why_me]

Agreed. For Mormons being baptized at the age of 8 is about accountability.

For other Christians it has to do with becoming a member of the family of God and the wiping out of original sin (again another thing Mormons find odd about traditional Christianity…they reject the idea of original sin) and having His grace poured out on the baby

And of course, I remember as a young boy, many catholic mothers who just gave birth were encouraged to baptize their babies as soon as possible and those with sick babies werre encouraged to do so at the hospital chapel. An unbaptized infant had an uncertain fate in eternity. Mormons would find that very odd indeed since it is their belief that infants or babies who die before the age of accountability get a first class ticket to heavenly faither.

The concept of infant death is quite different between mormon and catholic.

 

[Jay53]

Stephen…What an insightful question you ask !!!

And I admit it’s something I never considered when I was LDS…

When you think about it they are indeed very similar…

In LDS dogma the dead are baptised by proxy and they then can accept or reject that baptism as they so chose…

Infant baptism…Babies are baptized and can reject that baptism as they grow older…

I have no real answer other than to say you have an insighfful comparison that I never considered when I was LDS…

BRAVO for your critical thinking skills!!!

Looks like there really isnt any difference…Both “baptism of the dead” and infant baptism have the element of not having the will of the individual as part of the process…

(by way of info…I was 15 when I joined the LDS church…I do come from a Catholic background and was baptized Catholic as an infant)

Keep up those critical thinking skills!!

Off Topic,

Marie,
Just curious, what led you to Mormonism at 15? Were you raised Catholic or just baptized and never catechized?

Sorry if I’m being too nosy! If so, just ignore this.

 

[Marie5890]

And of course, I remember as a young boy, many catholic mothers who just gave birth were encouraged to baptize their babies as soon as possible and those with sick babies werre encouraged to do so at the hospital chapel. An unbaptized infant had an uncertain fate in eternity. Mormons would find that very odd indeed since it is their belief that infants or babies who die before the age of accountability get a first class ticket to heavenly faither.

The concept of infant death is quite different between mormon and catholic.

Agreed. The prism of Mormonism finds traditional Christianity very odd.

and the prism of traditional Christianity finds Mormonism very odd.

I’ve said it before. Very different prisms that dont understand, and dont normally try to understand, the prisms of the other.

Again the basic question comes down to, “was there a great apostasy”.

People have to decide for themselves.

I’ve been on both sides.

At first I thought “Yes”

When I actually DID sincere and intellectual research, my answer was “No”

I claim that as my experience and my experience only.

But it is very fair …VERY FAIR to say…most Mormons dont do sincere and extensive research into both their early church and the Early Church fathers.

Please keep that in mind: What kind of research, into both areas, have been done, when you evaluate responses by either Christians or Mormons.

Don’t assume ANYTHING

 

[heathernoel]

And of course, I remember as a young boy, many catholic mothers who just gave birth were encouraged to baptize their babies as soon as possible and those with sick babies werre encouraged to do so at the hospital chapel. An unbaptized infant had an uncertain fate in eternity. Mormons would find that very odd indeed since it is their belief that infants or babies who die before the age of accountability get a first class ticket to heavenly faither.

The concept of infant death is quite different between mormon and catholic.

I will admit that as the mother of two little boys who didn’t make it through pregnancy, this bothers me. I wish the Church would have an official statement, but neither do I want a feel good answer to my question of my children’s salvation. I do have faith in His mercy and grace, so I know I will be seeing my children again. But…yes…it’s be so much easier to have someone say to me “Yes, your children have a first class ticket to His arms”.

 

[Marie5890]

I will admit that as the mother of two little boys who didn’t make it through pregnancy, this bothers me. I wish the Church would have an official statement, but neither do I want a feel good answer to my question of my children’s salvation. I do have faith in His mercy and grace, so I know I will be seeing my children again. But…yes…it’s be so much easier to have someone say to me “Yes, your children have a first class ticket to His arms”.

My understanding is that the Catholic church has taken no official stand AFA dogma goes (ie limbo)…but has re-interated the belief in the mercy of God.

 

[why_me]

I will admit that as the mother of two little boys who didn’t make it through pregnancy, this bothers me. I wish the Church would have an official statement, but neither do I want a feel good answer to my question of my children’s salvation. I do have faith in His mercy and grace, so I know I will be seeing my children again. But…yes…it’s be so much easier to have someone say to me “Yes, your children have a first class ticket to His arms”.

I think that your sons are with heavenly father right now. And yes, they did get a first class ticket to His arms. I can not see a loving god doing otherwise. God has power over life and death and I can not see Him punishing an infant for dying before baptism.

I have my own theory about this catholic doctrine of fear that many mothers experienced. But I will not state it here.

 

[Marie5890]

I have my own theory about this catholic doctrine of fear that many mothers experienced. But I will not state it here.

First of all…I need you to state what the Catholic doctrine of fear actually is when it comes to infant death…

Then I can make my reply…I need your facts that you have come across…

THANKS!!!

I have been exposed to both Catholic MYTHS!!!..as well as Mormon MYTHS!!!

Please engage my intellect on this topic…

Sincerely In Christ
Marie

 

[Stephen168]

I must add…what I was taught when LDS it was more about being at the age of “accountablity”. IE being able to understand right from wrong.

Little children dont have the abililty to understand right from wrong and Mormons believe that is necessary to be baptised.

The thing I find interesting is Catholics and Mormons seem to have the same beliefs surrounding baptism and sin (joining the covenant, forgiveness of sin at baptism, forgiveness of sin after baptism) but come to difference conclusion. As Catholics we wait until age seven for the Sacrament of Reconciliation for ‘accountability’ reasons. Catholics and Mormons both believe in the forgiveness of sin after baptism, yet Catholics still don’t see ‘accountability’ as something which would stop us from baptizing an infant. And a Mormon hasn’t been able to explain why it should stop them, either. Claiming the person had to be willing was a new requirement that we don’t have, but when thinking about baptism for the dead, it just didn’t make sense again. My prism is of course Catholic which is based on faith and reason. I’m just more heavy on the reason part, I guess

 

[Marie5890]

The thing I find interesting is Catholics and Mormons seem to have the same beliefs surrounding baptism and sin (joining the covenant, forgiveness of sin at baptism, forgiveness of sin after baptism) but come to difference conclusion. As Catholics we wait until age seven for the Sacrament of Reconciliation for ‘accountability’ reasons. Catholics and Mormons both believe in the forgiveness of sin after baptism, yet Catholics still don’t see ‘accountability’ as something which would stop us from baptizing an infant. And a Mormon hasn’t been able to explain why it should stop them, either. Claiming the person had to be willing was a new requirement that we don’t have, but when thinking about baptism for the dead, it just didn’t make sense again. My prism is of course Catholic which is based on faith and reason. I’m just more heavy on the reason part, I guess

Stephen, Mormonism completely reject the idea of original sin. They simply dont believe in it so, for them, there is no reason for infant baptism.

For them baptism only comes into play when a child can distinguish between right an wrong (accountability)

Other Christians believe in original sin, hense the need for infant baptism. The wiping out of original sin committed by Adam and Eve.

Mormons REJECT original sin completely (IE no need for infant baptism)
Most traditional Christian believe in it. (hence the need for infant baptism)

Again…radically different prism of spiritual reality…

 

[why_me]

My understanding is that the Catholic church has taken no official stand AFA dogma goes (ie limbo)…but has re-interated the belief in the mercy of God.

Back in the day, it was a little different and more severe. Many mothers and fathers suffered if their babies died before baptism because of the fate of their babies soul. I remember hearing about no merciful god when I was a boy.

Of course, now it is different and right it should be different. The mormon concept of infant death is much more uplifting. Those who die before the age of accountability were choice spirits in the preexistence and as such they did not have to go through the temptations that life has to offer. Rather, they were brought right to the arms of the father and are now doing marvelous work for Him in eternity.

 

[why_me]

Claiming the person had to be willing was a new requirement that we don’t have, but when thinking about baptism for the dead, it just didn’t make sense again. My prism is of course Catholic which is based on faith and reason. I’m just more heavy on the reason part, I guess

Again, it has nothing to do with ‘willingness’ since an eight year old is usually baptised without choice. He or she is too young to make that kind of choice. It has to do with accountability.

What does ‘reason’ have to do with infant baptism?

 

[Marie5890]

Back in the day, it was a little different and more severe. Many mothers and fathers suffered if their babies died before baptism because of the fate of their babies soul. I remember hearing about no merciful god when I was a boy.

.

I need documentation of the dogmas…not the myths.

Thank you !!!

I am so sure you understand so clearly the difference of the myths as oppose to official doctrines…

I have zero tolerance of myths…

I have respect for official doctrines…

I do believe people should be held in accountability of research!!!

Thank you in advance

 

[Marie5890]

What does ‘reason’ have to do with infant baptism?

It has to do with, as we all know even if we reject it, with original sin.

Mormons dont believe in original sin. Completely and outrightly they reject it in its entirety.

Most other Christians accept the dogma of originial sin.