Do males wear ball caps, beanies and/or hoodies during Mass at your parish?

[Solomonson]

Absolutely not. At our parish, we make it clear that the dress code for Sunday Mass is white tie and tails only (Black patent leather oxfords!!).

Wow, does your pastor really allow such inappropriate garb for Sunday Mass? Proper would be Morning Dress, not, excuse me, “white tie and tails” which is proper only after 6:00 PM. Then again I suspect you all wear ball caps as well so perhaps he thinks it’s a proper mitigation step?

At daily Mass, a few uncouth peasants show up in black tie and dinner jacket. In the interest of inclusivity, we just sigh audibly, roll our eyes, and tolerate them.

I don’t know if it would use the term “uncouth peasants” to describe someone wearing a dinner jacket to daily Mass. Probably someone very lost, or a homeless person trying to stay warm?

Odd how an honest question can attract such nasty sarcasm…

 

[Brassring]

I bet OP’s time in purgatory will just be one long Mass, surrounded by people in ball caps. The altar servers will be wearing neon colored sneakers.

 

[Irishmom2]

I was once in my truck driving to Costco on a weekday evening. I realized there was a special liturgy at my Byzantine Catholic parish so I went directly there instead – in shorts.

How dare you complain about anyone else’s dress… you are no different than the people you complain about on every thread you post.

It doesn’t matter that the pastor used you as an example. You were still wearing something you call others out on.

But I digress. If the ball caps, beanies and hoodies do not bother your pastor enough for him to mention it to the candidates, perhaps it us not as big of a deal as you think it is.

 

[DeniseNY]

Did the beanies have propellers on them?

 

[DeniseNY]

I feel so sorry for the pastor and other parishioners at this parish. :nope:

 

[dixieagle]

I understand that norms have changed, e.g., women wearing head coverings is no longer de rigueur, either in church or in daily life, and men rarely, if ever, wear the type of hat that my dad used to almost every day that he went to work. Ball caps have become almost standard, and I guess that, if women are no longer expected to cover their heads, then men should no longer be expected to uncover theirs.

All that said, I have to forcefully restrain myself from snatching the hat/cap off any male I see wearing one inside a restaurant, and particularly in church (though it is virtually unheard of down here.) I can’t help myself… it was drilled into me.

 

[EasterJoy]

Absolutely not. At our parish, we make it clear that the dress code for Sunday Mass is white tie and tails only (Black patent leather oxfords!!).

At daily Mass, a few uncouth peasants show up in black tie and dinner jacket. In the interest of inclusivity, we just sigh audibly, roll our eyes, and tolerate them.

Snark isn’t the most parish-enhancing attitude in the world, either, now that you mention it.

OP strikes me as the kind of person who would have many problems with ANY parish. Or congregation. Or club. Or team. Or office. Or organization.

Because he thinks it is rude to wear a baseball cap at Mass? Really?

 

[Brassring]

Snark isn’t the most parish-enhancing attitude in the world, either, now that you mention it.

Because he thinks it is rude to wear a baseball cap at Mass? Really?

No, baseball caps is just the latest in a long, long, LONG list of things Solomonson (the self-contained, self-ordained, mini magisterium) has unilaterally declared unacceptable for the Catholic faithful.

 

[Irishmom2]

Because he thinks it is rude to wear a baseball cap at Mass? Really?

No, probably because of the multiple threads the OP has started criticizing/complaining about his or other parishes, and or people concerning multiple “abuses” and personal preferences, that have ended up being pulled by the moderators.

 

[EasterJoy]

No, baseball caps is just the latest in a long, long, LONG list of things Solomonson (the self-contained, self-ordained, mini magisterium) has unilaterally declared unacceptable for the Catholic faithful.

If you look at this thread independently, that isn’t the impression. He seems reasonably reasonable and the tie-and-tails comment…well, I think you get my meaning. It isn’t that I don’t expect anyone to disagree about whether baseball caps at Mass are rude or just that norms have changed, but that you chose a fairly snarky way to voice your disagreement.

 

[Brassring]

If you look at this thread independently, that isn’t the impression. He seems **reasonably reasonable **and the tie-and-tails comment…well, I think you get my meaning. It isn’t that I don’t expect anyone to disagree about whether baseball caps at Mass are rude or just that norms have changed, but that you chose a fairly snarky way to voice your disagreement.

You call it snark. I call it being reasonably unreasonable.

 

[EasterJoy]

You call it snark. I call it being reasonably unreasonable.

Now, see, that was a sentence that called for some snark!

 

[RCTechGeek]

I am surprised no one mentioned Saint Paul yet (his words from 1 Cor. 11:3-16).

 

[Solomonson]

I understand that norms have changed, e.g., women wearing head coverings is no longer de rigueur, either in church or in daily life, and men rarely, if ever, wear the type of hat that my dad used to almost every day that he went to work. Ball caps have become almost standard, and** I guess that, if women are no longer expected to cover their heads, then men should no longer be expected to uncover theirs.
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All that said, I have to forcefully restrain myself from snatching the hat/cap off any male I see wearing one inside a restaurant, and particularly in church (though it is virtually unheard of down here.) I can’t help myself… it was drilled into me.

I don’t agree. Men taking off their hats inside of churches is a matter of common courtesy and custom. Women were required to cover their heads for another reason. The Church chose to remove the requirement that women cover their heads and that’s that. While secular customs have obviously changed, common courtesy never changed when it comes to acting like a gentleman inside of a church.

 

[truetofaith]

I have never seen it.

That said, the “rules of decorum” that were once followed are not the norm anymore.

I think that it is important that parents instill these traditions in their children, but if they don’t know any better, how can they teach their children.

I don’t think it is a bad idea to remind men that they should not wear their hats/hoods inside, it is just not a hill I want to die on.

I sometimes wonder why people worry so much about what others wear. I get it when we are talking about scantily dressed men & women, as I don’t like to see that in any setting but the pool or beach. But sometimes I think people are paying more attention to others at Mass than they are to Mass.

It’s really just a matter of respect…younger people don’t have basic respect or courtesy for others ( holding doors, not pushing others, etc.) let alone having respect for the Lord in Church.

 

[Brassring]

I don’t agree. Men taking off their hats inside of churches is a matter of common courtesy and custom. Women were required to cover their heads for another reason. The Church chose to remove the requirement that women cover their heads and that’s that. While secular customs have obviously changed, common courtesy never changed when it comes to acting like a gentleman inside of a church.

Wait…You’re actually admitting that the Church - and not you personally - has the authority to decide some things?

That’s just…uncharacteristic…

 

[Solomonson]

If you look at this thread independently, that isn’t the impression. He seems reasonably reasonable and the tie-and-tails comment…well, I think you get my meaning. It isn’t that I don’t expect anyone to disagree about whether baseball caps at Mass are rude or just that norms have changed, but that you chose a fairly snarky way to voice your disagreement.

People attack the messenger on these forums. It’s nothing new, and it’s certainly not limited to me. These people lack the self-control to simply skip over some threads. Instead they act like children.

That’s neither here nor there in my case. I have long added such people to my ignore list. What’s truly bad is when a newbie asks an honest question (no matter how inane or inflammatory it might be) and they get excoriated by the rude people. That’s bad.

It would really be great it posters could control who could read their threads…

 

[Solomonson]

It’s really just a matter of respect…younger people don’t have basic respect or courtesy for others ( holding doors, not pushing others, etc.) let alone having respect for the Lord in Church.

That may be true, but it seems to be rubbing off on the older generation as well. Terribly unfortunate.

 

[Solomonson]

I am surprised no one mentioned Saint Paul yet (his words from 1 Cor. 11:3-16).

I’ve long struggled with 1 Corinthians 11:3-16. What to think of bishops for instance that wear zucchettos, mitres and birettas during times of public prayer? Popes even used to wear that papal tiara or whatever it’s called.

If long hair is a disgrace to man, why is Jesus Christ and His Apostles often depicted as having long hair?

Or given that women has hair – as a covering for their heads, why were they mandated to further cover their heads at Mass?

Anywho, thanks for elevating this thread…

 

[Brassring]

People attack the messenger on these forums. It’s nothing new, and it’s certainly not limited to me. These people lack the self-control to simply skip over some threads. Instead they act like rude children.

That’s neither here nor there in my case. I have long added such people to my ignore list. What’s bad is when a newbie asks an honest question (no matter how inane or inflammatory it might be) and they get excoriated by the rude children. That’s bad. It’s terribly non-Christian behavior.

It would really be great it posters could control who could read their threads…

“Attacking the messenger” implies that you are just a go-between, delivering somebody else’s thoughts. These “problems” you constantly observe are all yours. You’re not the messenger. You are the originator.

The nit-picky nonsense you harp endlessly about indicates that you are vastly more concerned with the aesthetic of the Mass than you are about it’s validity or meaning. I get the sense that you would honestly prefer that people didn’t show up at all than to show up and disturb your view. You come across as a self-centered, meddlesome, worrisome, tiresome control freak.

I pray for you, but above that I pray for your pastor and the other people in your parish.