Do males wear ball caps, beanies and/or hoodies during Mass at your parish?

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Solomonson said:
I’ve long struggled with 1 Corinthians 11:3-16. What to think of bishops for instance that wear zucchettos, mitres and birettas during times of public prayer?

If long hair is a disgrace to man, why is Jesus Christ and His Apostles often depicted as having long hair?

Or given that women has hair – as a covering for their heads, why were they mandated to further cover their heads at Mass?

Anywho, thanks for elevating this thread…
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Note that in his discussion of hair coverings, the Apostle Paul closes with this:
But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God. 1 Cor. 11:16

St. Paul refers to the practice of wearing head coverings as a custom. He refers to what the customs are in churches over which he has authority and then he refers to the customs of other churches of his time. He has his reasons for his rule; they are not arbitrary, but are rules of propriety intended to reflect an agreement between expressions of piety and the intention to glorify God.

This clearly implies that bishops have authority to define this custom for their churches. As it is now, women are free to wear head coverings at Mass, but it is not strictly required.

It seems to me that this response covers the topic very well
ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm
 
EasterJoy said:
Note that in his discussion of hair coverings, the Apostle Paul closes with this:
But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God. 1 Cor. 11:16

St. Paul refers to the practice of wearing head coverings as a custom. He refers to what the customs are in churches over which he has authority and then he refers to the customs of other churches of his time. He has his reasons for his rule; they are not arbitrary, but are rules of propriety intended to reflect an agreement between expressions of piety and the intention to glorify God.

This clearly implies that bishops have authority to define this custom for their churches. As it is now, women are free to wear head coverings at Mass, but it is not strictly required.

It seems to me that this response covers the topic very well
ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm
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I think what 3:11:16 is saying is “You can argue about it, yet this is the custom. The Church has no other custom.”

Yet it doesn’t explain why some men continue to cover their heads at Mass or why women needed to cover their heads when their own hair already acted as a cover?
 
No, not at my parish - the pastor tells them to take hats off if someone does that.
 
Solomonson said:
People attack the messenger on these forums. It’s nothing new, and it’s certainly not limited to me. These people lack the self-control to simply skip over some threads. Instead they act like children.

That’s neither here nor there in my case. I have long added such people to my ignore list. What’s truly bad is when a newbie asks an honest question (no matter how inane or inflammatory it might be) and they get excoriated by the rude people. That’s bad.

It would really be great it posters could control who could read their threads…
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The OP is a troll seeking to cause discord here. It’s my opinion based on some of his posts he’s not even Catholic. Most of his threads get shut down by the mods. He never been interested in discussion regarding his “messages”. Anyone who disagrees with him gets blasted.

I think it’s time we stopped feeding the troll.
 
truetofaith said:
It’s really just a matter of respect…younger people don’t have basic respect or courtesy for others ( holding doors, not pushing others, etc.) let alone having respect for the Lord in Church.
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:rolleyes: Is it ever possible that it isn’t a lack of respect in younger people, but simply a different way of showing respect than in previous generations? I mean, I teach young people for a living and I can’t say the last time I was pushed by anyone. I can’t even think of the last time I saw someone else push someone. (excluding very young children who have always pushed other small children since antiquity.) And as a woman who nearly always has two toddlers in tow, I nearly always find that others are happy to hold the door for us. I just don’t think it’s reasonable (or even reasonably reasonable) to conclude that because a person chooses to wear or not to wear a specific garment, they are overcome with contempt for the world. Isn’t it at least possible that people don’t show their opinions of others by what they wear, or at least that changes in fashion have caused a change in what garments are considered a sign of esteem for others?
 
Horton said:
The OP is a troll seeking to cause discord here. It’s my opinion based on some of his posts he’s not even Catholic. Most of his threads get shut down by the mods. He never been interested in discussion regarding his “messages”. Anyone who disagrees with him gets blasted.

I think it’s time we stopped feeding the troll.
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👍
 
Brassring said:
“Attacking the messenger” implies that you are just a go-between, delivering somebody else’s thoughts. These “problems” you constantly observe are all yours. You’re not the messenger. You are the originator.

The nit-picky nonsense you harp endlessly about indicates that you are vastly more concerned with the aesthetic of the Mass than you are about it’s validity or meaning. I get the sense that you would honestly prefer that people didn’t show up at all than to show up and disturb your view. You come across as a self-centered, meddlesome, worrisome, tiresome control freak.
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👍 Amen!
 
EasterJoy said:
If you look at this thread independently, that isn’t the impression. He seems reasonably reasonable and the tie-and-tails comment…well, I think you get my meaning. It isn’t that I don’t expect anyone to disagree about whether baseball caps at Mass are rude or just that norms have changed, but that you chose a fairly snarky way to voice your disagreement.
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It’s hard to look at the thread independently, as the OP has a number of threads along a similar theme. (Things that are wrong with his parish, or others, or the people in them or the people who run them.) He asks a seemingly innocent question and then throws insults at those who disagree with him. A good number of his threads are closed by moderators and he was recently on a suspension.

In addition, the poster has a much longer history of CAF than his username reveals. Am I the only one to recognize him? He’s been banned more times than I can keep count of. In violation of forum rules, he comes back each time with a new identity. Sooner or later, his strident style and grating criticism of his priests and fellow laity give it away, along with a few key details he eventually mentions. I kind of make a game out of seeing how quickly I can recognize him. This time, it took 121 posts for me to suspect and 124 for me to be sure.
 
babochka said:
It’s hard to look at the thread independently, as the OP has a number of threads along a similar theme. (Things that are wrong with his parish, or others, or the people in them or the people who run them.) He asks a seemingly innocent question and then throws insults at those who disagree with him. A good number of his threads are closed by moderators and he was recently on a suspension.

In addition, the poster has a much longer history of CAF than his username reveals. Am I the only one to recognize him? He’s been banned more times than I can keep count of. In violation of forum rules, he comes back each time with a new identity. Sooner or later, his strident style and grating criticism of his priests and fellow laity give it away, along with a few key details he eventually mentions. I kind of make a game out of seeing how quickly I can recognize him. This time, it took 121 posts for me to suspect and 124 for me to be sure.
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Good work kemosabe. 👍
 
This thread reminds me I need to go out and get myself a new ball cap and stain it with grease and oil so I can wear it at Mass. My old one is getting too tattered. Wearing a ball cap backwards while singing Gregorian chant is so cool! :cool: I love to wear shorts and t-shirts too while chanting, to show off the tats 😃

Do you guys think I should have a tongue piercing? I know a chorister who did but now he chants “Tu tholuth thanctuth, tu tholuth althithimuth” and “thanctuth, thanctuth, thanctuth”. Maybe I should just stick to my nose piercing… :eek:

:rolleyes:
 
OraLabora said:
This thread reminds me I need to go out and get myself a new ball cap and stain it with grease and oil so I can wear it at Mass. My old one is getting too tattered. Wearing a ball cap backwards while singing Gregorian chant is so cool! :cool: I love to wear shorts and t-shirts too while chanting, to show off the tats 😃

Do you guys think I should have a tongue piercing? I know a chorister who did but now he chants “Tu tholuth thanctuth, tu tholuth althithimuth” and “thanctuth, thanctuth, thanctuth”. Maybe I should just stick to my nose piercing… :eek:

:rolleyes:
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

fabulooth! 😃
 
Allegra said:
Is it ever possible that it isn’t a lack of respect in younger people, but simply a different way of showing respect than in previous generations? I mean, I teach young people for a living and I can’t say the last time I was pushed by anyone. I can’t even think of the last time I saw someone else push someone. (excluding very young children who have always pushed other small children since antiquity.) And as a woman who nearly always has two toddlers in tow, I nearly always find that others are happy to hold the door for us. I just don’t think it’s reasonable (or even reasonably reasonable)** to conclude that because a person chooses to wear or not to wear a specific garment, they are overcome with contempt for the world.** Isn’t it at least possible that people don’t show their opinions of others by what they wear, or at least that changes in fashion have caused a change in what garments are considered a sign of esteem for others?
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A hat isn’t merely a “garment” when it comes to entering a church, someone elses house, etc. If parents aren’t teaching basic manners these days – manners like taking one’s ball cap off when entering a Catholic church, then that’s just wrong.
 
PacificNorthwes said:
No, not at my parish - the pastor tells them to take hats off if someone does that.
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That’s good to hear. My Dad would just point at his head or say “is your head cold?” if I entered the house without taking off my hat.
 
Solomonson said:
Do males wear ball caps, beanies and/or hoodies during Mass at your parish? One of our cantors wears a hoodie (over his head) in the sanctuary until just before Mass begins.

I softly told another guy wearing a ball cap in the communion line that “males don’t wear head coverings inside of Catholic churches.” He immediately removed it and seemed thankful and possibly a touch embarrassed.

When the candidates for confirmation stood before the faithful inside of the sanctuary, two of the teen males were wearing ball caps.

The cantor is 20 or so, and the guy in line for communion was 40-50. Are things truly getting that crude in society that people aren’t aware that wearing a ball cap or a hoodie with the hood up in a Catholic church is not acceptable behavior?

The sad thing is I can see this behavior “just taking root” in my parish right now. Within 5 years it will become widely accepted, unless a future pastor says something and by then it will be all the more difficult, there will be more resentment, etc.
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Yes. All the time.
 
Solomonson said:
I don’t agree. Men taking off their hats inside of churches is a matter of common courtesy and custom. Women were required to cover their heads for another reason. The Church chose to remove the requirement that women cover their heads and that’s that. While secular customs have obviously changed, common courtesy never changed when it comes to acting like a gentleman inside of a church.
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If you read all the way through my post, you would see my feelings re: hats in church.
 
Ranks up there with a woman and 2 children wearing shorts and walked right center aisle to the front pew with burgers,fries and drinks while the Bishop who was visiting said mass.

Or, when I was spending my one hour as custodian of the Blessed Sacrament at the adoration chapel one evening, a lady came in with her ChiTzu who was very silent in her arms. It was for a challenge as she was more interested in what I would do than focus on why she was there. I presume she was told before. I did nothing, but I was afraid “poopsi” would have an urge on our spotless rug or start whining.
 
Solomonson said:
I think what 3:11:16 is saying is “You can argue about it, yet this is the custom. The Church has no other custom.”

Yet it doesn’t explain why some men continue to cover their heads at Mass or why women needed to cover their heads when their own hair already acted as a cover?
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Well, go ahead and wonder about it. Those with the office to make binding decrees on these matters do not find it rises to such concern. That doesn’t keep you from thinking about it; I just mean that the Church is free to allow customs to vary.
 
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