Do Modernists and Cafeteria catholics dislike the Divine Mercy Devotion?

[Kei]

When I was a sede, one of the sources of info I had were the Dimond brothers (if you don’t know who they are then that is good).
They didn’t like the Divine Mercy chaplet because they said it was suspect because Faustina reports Jesus telling her how she was acting well, and that people sometimes say it in place of the Rosary.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

I think modernists have been reading websites stating that Pope Pius XII was concerned at the begining. Unfortunately the modernists has not kept upto date with the outcome.

A similar question was asked here: What did Pope Pius XII think about the Divine Mercy devotion?

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

But Jesus said "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’ "You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold? Matthew 23:16-17.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Exactly, and that’s the problem, because Divine Mercy can’t work when we think we are saints, the more we are real with ourselves and God, the more Divine Mercy works.

I thought the OP was concerned with modernists not thinking OTHERS were sinful, not thinking they themselves were not sinful. I’m a tad confused I guess. I can’t imagine any Catholic not thinking of them self as a sinner generally, after all we pray “Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.” Even if someone makes a decision to “excuse” certain sins he or others commit, the person still must accept that he and everyone else sins in many other ways daily because we are all sinners and in need of God’s mercy. One who rejects the entire concept of us being sinners is likely to reject Christianity overall, not just the Divine Mercy, because there is then no meaning to Jesus’ life and death.

 

[Reuben_J]

I don’t know that many modernists on a personal level, but the ones I do, one thing that they share in common, is that they have a dislike of the Divine Mercy Devotion, it’s very interesting. So I ask anyone out there who knows a modernist or Cafeteria catholic, does your modernist or Cafeteria catholic “friend” have a dislike of the Divine Mercy Devotion? Do modernists have a dislike of the Divine Mercy?

If this true, that modernists have a dislike of the Divine Mercy devotion, that actually makes a lot of sense as these modernists are actually against authentic mercy. Modernists don’t want to show sinners authentic mercy and free them from their sins and so it makes sense that they would have a dislike to a devotion to the Divine Mercy which is all about saving poor sinners from their sins.

What is modernist? Is it a man or a woman and what are the color of their hair?

 

[Lovinglight]

I think most modernists like the Divine Mercy. I dont consider myself a modernist but i love it! I have full faith and confidence in St. Faustinas revelation. The ewtn Divine Mercy is just so beautiful. I would say many traditionalists have a devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus as it was pre V2.

 

[Bataar]

I personally don’t know anyone, who doesn’t like the idea of Divine Mercy, but then again, outside of my immediate family, it’s never mentioned. My guess would be that modernists don’t like it because it goes against the “modern dogma” that a loving God could never send anyone to hell and everyone goes to heaven regardless. People who firmly believe that would definitely be against the idea of the Divine Mercy.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

My guess would be that modernists don’t like it because it goes against the “modern dogma” that a loving God could never send anyone to hell and everyone goes to heaven regardless. People who firmly believe that would definitely be against the idea of the Divine Mercy.

Yeah, probably the same ones who don’t believe in Hell, Purgatory, or the concept of indulgences.

 

[on_the_hill]

As for me, I hate it! In fact, my Novus Ordo parish hates it so much we have the Divine Mercy painting on display to the side of the sanctuary. That’s how much we hate it. We modernists hate it so much that we put it on display so everyone can see it. We hate it so much that we observe Divine Mercy Sunday.

(That’s the response you’re looking for, right? I’m just trying to keep everyone happy.)



EDIT: I’m not sure what a modernist is. So take my response cum grano salis, to use the Latin.

 

[frumacat]

I don’t know what this thread is meant to do but cause division. Your question contains a number of assumptions about people you say you don’t know, and then you ask strangers on the internet why your viewpoint should be confirmed. The question I find myself asking is why you feel the need to ask this question against fellow Catholics, and why you even feel this way.

 

[YehoiakhinEx232]

First and foremost, I find it very judgmental of you to say such things. I do know these people, I do know this heresy, (I have spent quite a lot of time and energy looking up this heresy despite the lack of material on it.) and I am asking this question, not to see whether my “viewpoint should be confirmed” (which is a very accusatory and cynical way of describing my actions.) but rather to find out whether or not this behavior is typical of modernists and what it tell us about this devotion.

Second, and of even greater importance, modernists or not Catholics, they are heretics. Modernism is a condemned heresy! I am not asking this question “against fellow Catholics” but rather, to fellow-Catholics against heretics.

Third and finally, the purpose of this question is not to cause division. The purpose of this question, as I mentioned above, is me and others to learn something the Divine Mercy Devotion, and the modernist heresy. I have a devotion to the Divine Mercy, which I really love, and I know two modernists who do not like the Divine Mercy Devotion. My biggest issue with modernists, is that they do not want to rescue poor sinners from slavery to their sins. (And the reason this is my biggest issue with modernists is because I myself am a poor sinner.) And so when I see modernists express distaste for the Divine Mercy Devotion, that got me thinking, “Hmmm, so here’s some modernist who don’t like Divine Mercy, and biggest issue with modernists is that they deny God’s mercy to sinners, I wonder if there’s a connection? Maybe should ask online and see how common this distaste of Divine Mercy is?”

So I posted this question to find out.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Telling others they’re being judgemental when you yourself opened a thread with judgement of other Catholics and labeled them “Modernists.”

Jim

 

[JulianN]

Calling someone a heretic is a very serious charge, with very specific definitions. You really don’t know if these people are heretics, and not caring for the Divine Mercy devotion is certainly not an indication of such. People can be good Catholics and not care for that devotion, nor even the rosary.

Now, if they called those who do practice those devotions a name like heretic, that would be problematic.

 

[midori]

The only objection I’ve found to the Divine Mercy devotion has been amongst Traditionalists. One common problem that stands out is in relation to taking the first Sunday after Easter and making it Divine Mercy Sunday. The objection was that it “detracts/distracts from the Good Friday sacrifice”. And I’m thinking, “Have you ever said the Divine Mercy Chaplet? 99% of it is practically, ‘For the sake of his sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world…’”

 

[Saxum]

I’ve met several Radical Traditionalists who reject the entire Divine Mercy Devotion. They reject it because it was placed on the Index of Forbidden Books at one point and because some of the passages strike them as unorthodox/untraditional; for example, they take issue with the passage in which the Eucharist floats to St. Faustina’s hand - they say this supports the novelty of Communion in the Hand.

 

[YehoiakhinEx232]

Like I said, they follow modernist teachings, like, for example, the writings of Teihard de Chardin.

 

[Debbie_Kono]

My second Sunday after entering the Church was of course Divine Mercy Sunday. When I heard about it I thought and said to myself, “gee, this sounds a lot like Protestantism” (I was a former Protestant). But then I thought to myself, I MUST be wrong. And I ignored the feeling. I even started praying the DMC at the 3 o’clock hour most every day. Then I heard it sung. Again, I thought this sounds sorta hokey…I didn’t like it, at all. Then I found out that St. Faustina’s book was on the Index of Forbidden Books and that two popes condemned it. I have to go with my gut feeling…I don’t pray it anymore because I’m not certain. I’d much rather spend my time praying the Rosary.

 

[pnewton]

Read the writings of Pius X. It’s pretty clear what a modernist is. It is an officially condemned heresy.

It is. His Syllabus of Errors is a valuable tool. I am convinced that most who use the term have little to no idea what it means. It is a ready insult, like “liberal”, but in the case of modernism, there is a specific meaning we should attach to it.

And if no one has pointed this out yet, the Divine Mercy Chaplet is not a Catholic requirement, so no liking it does not make one a “cafeteria Catholic,” any more than not liking Gregorian Chant or the Neocatecumanal Way makes one a cafeteria Catholic.

 

[peterpan]

Hi guys interesting discussion.

 

[R_H_Benson]

I’ve run across a few “rad trads” who do not accept the Divine Mercy devotion as valid because it was promoted by (their words, not mine) “Modernist” St John Paul II

I’ve also dealt with trads who aren’t fans of the Divine Mercy devotion, but because they feel that it has supplanted authentic devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Rosary, not necessarily because it has been highly promoted by the post-conciliar papacy.