Do Modernists and Cafeteria catholics dislike the Divine Mercy Devotion?

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His Syllabus of Errors is a valuable tool.
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the Syllabus of Errors was promulgated by Pope Pius IX, not St. Pius X. More than likely, @whyeyeman was referring to the encyclical of St. Pius X Pascendi Dominici gregis.
 
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I dunno if I’m a modernist or not.
I like the Divine Mercy.
St. Faustina is okay with me, the Divine Mercy shrine in Poland is beautiful.
I like the Rosary and the Sacred Heart too.
I believe in original sin, Hell, Purgatory, and indulgences.
I also believe in trying to be loving and inclusive to all people as much as we can.

I don’t know much about Teilhard de Chardin except that he was yet another one of those Jesuits who did interesting things and had controversial ideas. Pope Benedict seems to have liked a lot of his less controversial writings though. I never thought of Pope Benedict as a modernist.

So, I’m very confused. :confused:
 
Most people that I have come across that reject “Divine Mercy” is because it is based on Private Revelation. It is not part of the “Deposit of Faith”.

Being a Modernist or a Cafeteria Catholic has nothing to do with it a all. That is a Red Herring qualifier.
 
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Traditionalists reject the Divine Mercy for another reason: they see it as a Novus Ordo replacement for the Sacred Heart.
 
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Traditionalists reject the Divine Mercy for another reason: they see it as a Novus Ordo replacement for the Sacred Heart.
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That is odd since neither devotion is required. That means there is also no reason to “reject” either.
 
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First and foremost, I find it very judgmental of you to say such things. I do know these people, I do know this heresy, (I have spent quite a lot of time and energy looking up this heresy despite the lack of material on it.) and I am asking this question, not to see whether my “viewpoint should be confirmed” (which is a very accusatory and cynical way of describing my actions.) but rather to find out whether or not this behavior is typical of modernists and what it tell us about this devotion.

Second, and of even greater importance, modernists or not Catholics, they are heretics. Modernism is a condemned heresy! I am not asking this question “against fellow Catholics” but rather, to fellow-Catholics against heretics.

Third and finally, the purpose of this question is not to cause division. The purpose of this question, as I mentioned above, is me and others to learn something the Divine Mercy Devotion, and the modernist heresy. I have a devotion to the Divine Mercy, which I really love, and I know two modernists who do not like the Divine Mercy Devotion. My biggest issue with modernists, is that they do not want to rescue poor sinners from slavery to their sins. (And the reason this is my biggest issue with modernists is because I myself am a poor sinner.) And so when I see modernists express distaste for the Divine Mercy Devotion, that got me thinking, “Hmmm, so here’s some modernist who don’t like Divine Mercy, and biggest issue with modernists is that they deny God’s mercy to sinners, I wonder if there’s a connection? Maybe should ask online and see how common this distaste of Divine Mercy is?”

So I posted this question to find out.
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You haven’t answered, what is modernist or who they are? What they do and believe? Just want to make sure whether I am counted as a modernist or not. You have to get your definition unequicocally clear, otherwise your posts certainly are not very upbuilding but instead rather divisive.
 
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I presume a modernist would be who follows modern secular ideas in some ways rather
than Catholic beliefs. For example, finding gay life, contraception, sex without marriage, and dissent from Catholic beliefs in some other areas perfectly acceptable because they adhere to modern secular ideas. If these people tend less than other Catholics to follow the Divine Mercy devotion I don’t know. It does seem true though that many of these people personally disregard traditional Catholic devotions.
 
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So if I ever disagree with anything the Church says, even if I just express dissent and don’t try to convince others to change their minds, or commit the acts in question myself, I’m automatically a Modernist. Riiiight.
 
Modernism is the belief that what should be should be emphasized in the Faith is not sanctity, morality or belief, but rather the religious emotions of the people. Modernists believe that these religious emotions should be harnessed by the Church to promote a good social order. A key defining aspect of modernism is the belief that dogmas, doctrines and Truth can change or “evolve.”

Now this is somewhat simplified definition of the modernist heresy, the history and teachings of modernism are much more complex. Also the vast majority of modernist now days, differ from the original modernists in one key aspect, the original modernists were strictly materialistic, they did not believe in miracles and wonders. Today’s modernists by contrast, belief and practices a whole host of things we would consider “New Agey.”
 
YehoiakhinEx232 said:
Modernism is the belief that what should be should be emphasized in the Faith is not sanctity, morality or belief, but rather the religious emotions of the people. Modernists believe that these religious emotions should be harnessed by the Church to promote a good social order. A key defining aspect of modernism is the belief that dogmas, doctrines and Truth can change or “evolve.”

Now this is somewhat simplified definition of the modernist heresy, the history and teachings of modernism are much more complex. Also the vast majority of modernist now days, differ from the original modernists in one key aspect, the original modernists were strictly materialistic, they did not believe in miracles and wonders. Today’s modernists by contrast, belief and practices a whole host of things we would consider “New Agey.”
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That’s better.

Can you give examples where dogma and truth evolve?

And what is New Agey?
 
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I presume a modernist would be who follows modern secular ideas in some ways rather
than Catholic beliefs. For example, finding gay life, contraception, sex without marriage, and dissent from Catholic beliefs in some other areas perfectly acceptable because they adhere to modern secular ideas. If these people tend less than other Catholics to follow the Divine Mercy devotion I don’t know. It does seem true though that many of these people personally disregard traditional Catholic devotions.
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Why would these people like Divine Mercy Devotion or even the mass; or go to church at all? With that kind of belief there would be nothing in the Church for them.
 
Interesting discussion. I have a question: Is a Modernist Catholic a Catholic who tries to sound more Protestant so to be accepted by mainline Protestants? I heard a talk by Fr Larry Richards in which he describes a man who rejects a relationship with the Holy Mother for a relationship with just Christ as " one of those modern Catholics. " As for the DMC, I like it and my church has a Jesus I Trust In You image in the Adoration chapel. I’m guessing my church is Novus Ordo, because our Mass is said in English. My main devotion is the Rosary; because I love my Mother and I know the power of the Rosary.
 
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Michael16 said:
Interesting discussion. I have a question: Is a Modernist Catholic a Catholic who tries to sound more Protestant so to be accepted by mainline Protestants? I heard a talk by Fr Larry Richards in which he describes a man who rejects a relationship with the Holy Mother for a relationship with just Christ as " one of those modern Catholics. " As for the DMC, I like it and my church has a Jesus I Trust In You image in the Adoration chapel. I’m guessing my church is Novus Ordo, because our Mass is said in English. My main devotion is the Rosary; because I love my Mother and I know the power of the Rosary.
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Generally speaking Catholics do have a relationship with Mary in some kind. When we pray the Hail Mary, which every Catholic pray, we are praying to Mary already and by that communication it denotes a relationship though it may not be as devoted as people with Marian devotion have. The various devotions of course are not obligatory upon Catholics.

If being modernist is as described by the two posters above, they would be anything but practicing Catholics. The point that they like or dislike Catholic devotion is moot.
 
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Which is bizarre because the devotion goes back to pre-Vatican II and was actually suppressed by Pope John XXIII until Pope JP II reinstated it. You’d think the trads would love it.
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The only older people who I have met who don’t like it say it was a Polish devotion that only became popular because of a Polish Pope.

Which of course, my response is: “you’re crazy! Divine Mercy is awesome, so are the Pols and St Pope John Paul II!” 🙂
 
The Divine Mercy devotion is not a requirement of the Church. You can be a perfectly good Catholic and not care for it. That wouldn’t mean you were a “modernist” or a “cafeteria Catholic.”
 
That is not what modernism is.

Modernism which was condemned by the Church had to do with the belief that as humans become more enlightened and evolved intellectually, it diminishes the dogmas of the Church which will eventually dissolve into obscurity.

Having emotions during a spiritual experience is not modernism.

In fact, anyone who believes that spirituality doesn’t involve emotions has no experience or knowledge about spirituality.

"There us no greater danger in the spiritual life than to be immersed in unreality, for life is maintained and nurtured in us by our vital relation with realities outside and above us.

It would be absurd to suppose that because emotion sometimes interferes with reason, that it therefore has no place in the spiritual life. Christianity is not stoicism. " Thomas Merton Thoughts in Solitude.

Jim
 
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