Do Mormons beleive there were/are gods before God?

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In short, according to Mormon-Doctrine, There never was a beginning,
All is Eternal, There has never been a “First God” (so far as the LDS
are aware), “Heavenly Father” had a father who had a father and so
forth into Eternity, and there will never be an end of gods.

Mormonism is more polytheistic than Hinduism (which has something
like **33,000,000 Million **gods and goddesses, though technically most
of Hinduism considers all deities ONE in Brahma, so I believe anyway.)
 
FabiusMaximus said:
This does make him completely different than what Trinitarian Christians believe God to be - that is, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent from all eternity to all eternity. If God had an actual origin, and has created the Earth but not the universe, then to me that does make him a sort of “lesser” being.
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Many view the LDS as MLM religions in that one god had hundreds of tousands of Gods / Diesty underhim, and he was made a God/Diety by the God that brought him in…and it goes on forward and backward forever… This belief will have a problem as the leadership attempts to cause it to dissapear / not a teaching anymore. It is really a convoluted thought process.
The reasn that some have not heard of this is because they will, and do not tell you everything up front. You learn it by being LDS and overhearing this “deep doctrine” as it is called, being discussed. You then think that you missunderstood as no one would believe that.
They do not tell you everything up front, end of statement! But the multi-level God thing is part of their teachings. They are trying to scoot away from it by not talking about it, but its still there. I was a good Mormon, now, I am a better Catholic 🙂
 
This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion. Speculation feeds sensationalism which is dishonesty.

If I wanted to know about what Mormons believe regarding the nature of God, I would actually go to lds.org and start reading; but ONLY if I were sincerely wanting to get an accurate picture of LDS beliefs in their right context. Since the LDS faith rests squarely on the story and testimony of Joseph Smith, here is a good place to begin:
lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng

It is interesting to note that young Joseph Smith was utterly confused by all the contention between the various Christian religions. Let us right here and now expand that to today where we have hundreds of sects and denominations of every kind.

What standard are we going to use to determine what makes the Catholic interpretation of the Bible so unique or special beyond any other faith: the Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, JW’s, etc. and so forth? Same Bible yet so many interpretations. Who has the authority to determine which are correct and which are false? :confused:

I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
 
lylebone said:
This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion…
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uh, yeah, you’d think so wouldn’t you? The name of the thread here con-
tains the phrase “Do Mormons BELIEVE,” not “Do Mormons WORSHIP.”
Mormons BELIEVE in MORE THAN ONE GOD.
You can keep saying, “But we worship
ONLY ONE,” yet that does not take a-
way the fact that Mormonism is POLY-
theism, does it?
lylebone said:
If I wanted to know about what Mormons believe regarding the nature of God, I would actually go to lds.org and start reading; but ONLY if I were sincerely wanting to get an accurate picture of LDS beliefs in their right context. Since the LDS faith rests squarely on the story and testimony of Joseph Smith, here is a good place to begin:
lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng
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(Cough-Talking): NiNe--VeRsIoNs!
 
lylebone said:
This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion…
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uh, yeah, you’d think so wouldn’t you? The name of the thread here con-
tains the phrase “Do Mormons BELIEVE,” not “Do Mormons WORSHIP.”
Mormons BELIEVE in MORE THAN ONE GOD.
You can keep saying, “But we worship
ONLY ONE,” yet that does not take a-
way the fact that Mormonism is POLY-
theism, does it?
lylebone said:
If I wanted to know about what Mormons believe regarding the nature of God, I would actually go to lds.org and start reading; but ONLY if I were sincerely wanting to get an accurate picture of LDS beliefs in their right context. Since the LDS faith rests squarely on the story and testimony of Joseph Smith, here is a good place to begin:
lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng
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(Sneeze-Talking): TeN**--VeRsIoNs!**
 
lylebone said:
I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
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To which of the 9 or so versions of the first vision are you referring? He received different answers in each one.
 
taylorf said:
“Theological training and knowledge is not a requirement for or expectation of those in Mormon leadership positions.”
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How much “theological training and knowledge” did Peter have when called to the apostleship?
 
lylebone said:
I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
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And I say that the answer is even more simple than that. The successors of St. Peter, along with the Magisterium, have been guiding Christ’s church from the beginning and they haven’t stopped.

Matthew 16:18-19

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
 
gazelam said:
How much “theological training and knowledge” did Peter have when called to the apostleship?
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Three years of walking with the Son of God and learning directly from Him is more theological training than Thomas Monson has ever had.
 
lylebone said:
This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion. Speculation feeds sensationalism which is dishonesty.

If I wanted to know about what Mormons believe regarding the nature of God, I would actually go to lds.org and start reading; but ONLY if I were sincerely wanting to get an accurate picture of LDS beliefs in their right context. Since the LDS faith rests squarely on the story and testimony of Joseph Smith, here is a good place to begin:
lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng

It is interesting to note that young Joseph Smith was utterly confused by all the contention between the various Christian religions. Let us right here and now expand that to today where we have hundreds of sects and denominations of every kind.

What standard are we going to use to determine what makes the Catholic interpretation of the Bible so unique or special beyond any other faith: the Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, JW’s, etc. and so forth? Same Bible yet so many interpretations. Who has the authority to determine which are correct and which are false? :confused:

I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
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LOL. Spoken like a true Mormon. And how do you know this is right? Is it a feeling you get? So how do you justify what smith said when he spoke of doing more for the church than Christ did? So God/Jesus didn’t do enough for it? Did He fail the 1st time out? 🤷 Also. You believe in a man and his different versions than God and His Word? Lord have mercy.
 
lylebone said:
This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion. Speculation feeds sensationalism which is dishonesty.

If I wanted to know about what Mormons believe regarding the nature of God, I would actually go to lds.org and start reading; but ONLY if I were sincerely wanting to get an accurate picture of LDS beliefs in their right context. Since the LDS faith rests squarely on the story and testimony of Joseph Smith, here is a good place to begin:
lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng

It is interesting to note that young Joseph Smith was utterly confused by all the contention between the various Christian religions. Let us right here and now expand that to today where we have hundreds of sects and denominations of every kind.

What standard are we going to use to determine what makes the Catholic interpretation of the Bible so unique or special beyond any other faith: the Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, JW’s, etc. and so forth? Same Bible yet so many interpretations. Who has the authority to determine which are correct and which are false? :confused:

I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
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I was LDS for years until it became too much. Please elaborate more on the book “The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith” and further teachings on the polytheistic side of the LDS Church. Please be honest in your answer as well, I know Joseph Smith taught a concept known as lying for the Lord (mentioned in his letters to Ms Rigdon) I will call you on any inaccuracies. There are too many broken prophecies from Joseph Smith for him to be a true Prophet.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
This does make him completely different than what Trinitarian Christians believe God to be - that is, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent from all eternity to all eternity. If God had an actual origin, and has created the Earth but not the universe, then to me that does make him a sort of “lesser” being.
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A falacy, a line of flawede logic. a line of faulty computer code, beliefs that are non sequitur do not become otherwise because we address them as greater at any level. If we state them again in a whisper, with out heads down, they are not more true, they are still non fuctioning parts… just addressed and stated differently.

Mormon beliefs are innacurate. we have souls, and the teachings are not from Christ. (allow me to state the fact here that there is just one other guy! I do not want him on my side) Their belief in poligamy in the next life is basic and fundamental to their faith. I was taught as a Missionary that the goal of every man was to become a God. Not to go to heaven and live with all that is offered there, but to “BE A GOD”, create your own worlds, have sex with your billions of wives (countless number of wives) and have babies to populate your worlds yet to be created.
As addfresses in this forum, athis brings a question that Mormons cannot and have not satisfactorilly answered. The question is, “How does a physical mother give birth to a spirit child”? One, it does not happen. Trees have trees, chickens have chickens;. When God does something he does it by the laws of science and math that he himself set down. He does not feel a need to change his eternal practices because the Mormons or any other faith state otherwise.
One of the things I returned to the loving " Catholic Church" from Mormonism is that I was then able to compare and contrast beliefs, systems and styles. WE TELL YOU EVERYTHING UP FRONT. Mormons just give you a whiff of a dinner they describe to you. You get in there and its just a cold piece of chicken and a dry roll…but it was revealed to you! HA!. Gawd, I am so happy under the loving wing of Catholocism. We have the records of the Church going, in many times and places, back to those that were there! We were founded by Christ himself with his Apostles. I am just fine where I am now.

Salve Regina!!

Don, Las Vegas
 
The Christian understanding of the word “God” refers to a singular being of a singular and unique nature. One LDS poster here explained that “God”, for a LDS believer, is a title. Plural beings, that are exalted humans, so of a human nature, who have worked up a ladder to the top title, GOD.

The Mormon doctrinal lingo is “plurality of Gods”, it is laid out very clearly in LDS scripture in the “Book of Abraham”. Any LDS coming here saying otherwise is either extremely uninformed of their own doctrine, or being obtuse.
 
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This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion. Speculation feeds sensationalism which is dishonesty.
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Really? You sure? The Mormon God is nothing like ONLY true God Christians worship.
It is interesting to note that young Joseph Smith was utterly confused by all the contention between the various Christian religions. Let us right here and now expand that to today where we have hundreds of sects and denominations of every kind.
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And who is responsible for such confusion? MAN! Ever heard of pride?
What standard are we going to use to determine what makes the Catholic interpretation of the Bible so unique or special beyond any other faith: the Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, JW’s, etc. and so forth? Same Bible yet so many interpretations. Who has the authority to determine which are correct and which are false?
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I thought you said Mormons believe in the one true God? If they do,then why would you even question the fact He has thought one absolute Truth from the get-go? Who has the authority? God Himself who founded His Church through His Eternal Son.
I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
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According to who? Mormons?
 
Soeone telling us that the points that we are discussing and the accurate information we are sharing is “irrelevant” is self serving to the LDS. WE and we alone will decide what it discussed here. YOU may feel that the issues are not good. That is because it is actually what you guys teach and are back peddeling on now. You state that you worship only one god. That is great and I acknowledge that fact. However, the question was not do you worship God, but do you believe in an endless plurality of Gods going backward past the Big Bang. It also will go forward to the recollection af all matter into a great black hole that will again, be a big band. Your line of Gods is endless and not even on the sabe bookcase, forget same page, as anything that resembles Christianity. With no offense intended to our Himdu friends, your faith is more remicient of their faith, reincarnation, gods, and thelike.
lylebone said:
This thread is WAY out of context. As a studious, life-long practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can confidently say that this talk about multiple gods/Gods is irrelevant to us here and now. We worship the one and ONLY true God, even our Eternal Heavenly Father. Period. End of discussion. Speculation feeds sensationalism which is dishonesty.

If I wanted to know about what Mormons believe regarding the nature of God, I would actually go to lds.org and start reading; but ONLY if I were sincerely wanting to get an accurate picture of LDS beliefs in their right context. Since the LDS faith rests squarely on the story and testimony of Joseph Smith, here is a good place to begin:
lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng

It is interesting to note that young Joseph Smith was utterly confused by all the contention between the various Christian religions. Let us right here and now expand that to today where we have hundreds of sects and denominations of every kind.

LDS.org is the Pravda of Doctrine for the LDS. If you want to think take two sides and weigh them in a balance of thought. If you take just one then you are obliged to ask a different question. LDS.org is a publicity piece that will not tell you what you ask here.

What standard are we going to use to determine what makes the Catholic interpretation of the Bible so unique or special beyond any other faith: the Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, JW’s, etc. and so forth? Same Bible yet so many interpretations. Who has the authority to determine which are correct and which are false? :confused:

That is an old piece of thought that is no longer used or even is credable. We do not hold to the misfortuned idea that the Mormons are correct. We do not ask ourselves the loaded question of “How true are they”. We know that the teachings make no sense, they are conflicted. JS was not persecuted in his way west. HE was a filanderer, (others wives) had a 14 yeaold girls that he had a conjugal relationship with, forged money with which to buy supplies for his march thru the northern states. You guys want to make it sound that he was a magnet for religious persecution. He was a hood and a thug. Challenge me on it please, oh please, please do challenge me on it as I have the written references fron history to prove these points. You can sit down and this will go away. Or, you can stand and bear your testimony and be pelted with links to people that knew him and found him to be a bad person realistically. Your call.

I say that the answer Joseph Smith received on that spring day in 1820 made everything much more simple.
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If I or an angel of light preach to you any other gospel let him be… Its right there in the Bible, which you as Mormons do not accept because you share that you feel it is not translated correctly. You really say it when the Bible dissagrees with you.

Don, was a good Mormon…now, a Christian
 
Strevel said:
Soeone telling us that the points that we are discussing and the accurate information we are sharing is “irrelevant” is self serving to the LDS. WE and we alone will decide what it discussed here. YOU may feel that the issues are not good. That is because it is actually what you guys teach and are back peddeling on now. You state that you worship only one god. That is great and I acknowledge that fact. However, the question was not do you worship God, but do you believe in an endless plurality of Gods going backward past the Big Bang. It also will go forward to the recollection af all matter into a great black hole that will again, be a big band. Your line of Gods is endless and not even on the sabe bookcase, forget same page, as anything that resembles Christianity. With no offense intended to our Himdu friends, your faith is more remicient of their faith, reincarnation, gods, and thelike.

If I or an angel of light preach to you any other gospel let him be… Its right there in the Bible, which you as Mormons do not accept because you share that you feel it is not translated correctly. You really say it when the Bible dissagrees with you.

Don, was a good Mormon…now, a Christian
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At times I do not comprehend Mormons. One can present their own teachings and they respond as they don’t teach what you provided? :confused:
 
Strevel said:
Soeone telling us that the points that we are discussing and the accurate information we are sharing is “irrelevant” is self serving to the LDS. WE and we alone will decide what it discussed here. YOU may feel that the issues are not good. That is because it is actually what you guys teach and are back peddeling on now. You state that you worship only one god. That is great and I acknowledge that fact. However, the question was not do you worship God, but do you believe in an endless plurality of Gods going backward past the Big Bang. It also will go forward to the recollection af all matter into a great black hole that will again, be a big band. Your line of Gods is endless and not even on the sabe bookcase, forget same page, as anything that resembles Christianity. With no offense intended to our Himdu friends, your faith is more remicient of their faith, reincarnation, gods, and thelike.

If I or an angel of light preach to you any other gospel let him be… Its right there in the Bible, which you as Mormons do not accept because you share that you feel it is not translated correctly. You really say it when the Bible dissagrees with you.

Don, was a good Mormon…now, a Christian
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There are also former Mormons who are taking part in this discussion who should know the truth by having lived it for themselves. There are also legitimate sites created by other former Mormons who provide legitimate information as well.
 
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